GUILTY WA - Delbert Belton, 88, beaten to death, Spokane, 21 Aug 2013

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RIP, Mr. Belton

Thank you for your time in the service

sorry, America let you down

prayers to your family and friends
 
I'm afraid I don't get it, but then I've never been to the States. Whatever that "cultural thang" is, it needs to be changed.

My "macro" theories of what is going on in the USA listed below. The problems with our violence in youth stems from a culmination of the following:

1. The "war on drugs" ....yes, the ying and yang of it. People still do drugs so an entire system of selling/transporting/packaging/creating it exists in an underground sort of way. This creates a violent society and a gangs.
2. Welfare where minorities were able to 'collect' only if the household consisted of single mom's raising children (as reportedly happened during the 60's and 70's). This provokes a breakdown of a family structure.
3. Any race that harbors resentment of it's treatment for generations about things that happened in the past. This provokes anger which will be unleashed invariably. Right or wrong, correct or incorrect---> it is what it is and there are more than one race that I feel experiences this. And I feel there are people that purposely stir this up for political reasons. Some suspect that our leaders want to 'divide and conquer'.....but who knows?
4. Private prisons that make money based on prison counts (i.e. how many prisoners do they have = more money) and how they can keep them in jail so the prisons themselves stay funded. This additionally facilitates repeat offenders (recidivism). Overcrowded public prisons let the offenders out too early which is another problem.
5. Violent video games: yes, I believe they desensitize and almost 'brainwash' our youth into violence. These videos have a rating on them to deter youngsters who are too impressionable to watch them. Heed the ratings, please!
6. Social Media, Music, and Hollywood: Yep, I'm lumping them together 'cause they are so meaningless and yet are so responsible for directing the social norms of the day. Anything goes nowadays and bad behavior is glorified.
7. It's a 2-income society due to inflation (that is, if a marriage even survives; we're at a 50% divorce rate). So who is really raising our youth? Who has time? And what will become of a teen who can't cut it in school?
8. The decline of neighborhoods. "It takes a village to raise a child".....where's our villages? We have either urban sprawl or we have cities. There are few true neighborhoods left.
9. The decline of popularity in churches. Believe or not believe in a higher power---> somehow it gives many a conscience not to kill if they believe. It's one of the 'biggie' rules; thou shall not kill. Attendance at church is shrinking.
10. Income disparity. We are a nation of 'haves' and 'have nots'. The American Dream is a remote fairy tale for most as it is a true exception for an individual to get out of the ghetto. It is an exception to break the mold of a previous generation (alcoholism, lack of higher education, single-parent, welfare, etc)
11. America has historically been a violent nation. It started out that way to begin with (1776) and we have been involved in most major wars all over the world for hundreds of years now. Many Americans don't want to be involved in all these wars but we don't get to vote on it---we blink our eyes and our leaders have our boys marching in! We have a fairly frail sense of culture 'cause we are a melting pot of many cultures due to massive immigration out of Europe and Asia and the importing of slaves. I'd like to think America was a true 'melt' but maybe it wasn't? It is a lot to expect of people to not clash based on our quick growth and expansion as a nation with so much input from folks all over the world. Maybe it wasn't as successful as we'd like to believe?

But I feel that we need to have research and stats to look at the data and then try to address where the root causes of our violent society lie.
Please don't confuse the USA with anywhere else.....we are like an 'experiment' in some ways.
And the violence is getting very bad......I'm sorry to say.

Thank you all for listening to my long-winded theories about American violence and our youth. All moo.
 
8. The decline of neighborhoods. "It takes a village to raise a child".....where's our villages? We have either urban sprawl or we have cities. There are few true neighborhoods left.

All great points but I have to object to #8.

No, it doesn't take a "village" to raise a child, it takes a responsible PARENT!

The "takes a village thing" was bad hype in an attempt to make an excuse.
 
All great points but I have to object to #8.

No, it doesn't take a "village" to raise a child, it takes a responsible PARENT!

The "takes a village thing" was bad hype in an attempt to make an excuse.

I think what that expressin really means is that it takes a lot of positive influences to raise a child. When I was a kid, my extended family of aunts, uncles, grandparents, & close family friends (adults) lived within blocks of eachother. Everybody kept our eyes out for eachother. We had sports coaches, church members, lots of adults around to make sure we stayed in line. They had no qualms about keeping our parents abreast of our behaviour.

Heck, if my parents weren't around, my extended family had no problem reinforcing right from wrong.

Parents should be able to do the job alone but it certainly makes it easier with a support network.
 
does anyone know if the other perp has been found yet? I can't find out anything on the news....Mr. Belton seems to have been lost in all the coverage of the "important people".:confused:
 
No, not yet. I'm really surprised he's still free - there has been a lot of police presence lately since we've had a couple shootings, along with this horrible crime - in the space of a few days. hopefully this little punk will be caught soon.
 
... maybe 2nd perp made it to Canada?

I looked on the map and Canadian border (Alberta, British Columbia) is not that far from Spokane, WA

sorry ... just a really wild guess, though ...

:truce:
 
Family Of Accused Murderer Pleads For His Surrender

Posted: Aug 24, 2013 9:06 PM CDT / Updated: Aug 25, 2013 1:33 PM CDT
by Lindsay Nadrich, KHQ Local News Reporter


KHQ EXCLUSIVE: Murder Suspect's Dad Pleads For Surrender (VIDEO - 3:50)

KHQ EXCLUSIVE: Uncle Of Murder Suspect Pleads For Surrender (VIDEO - 5:11)


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The family of 16-year-old Kenan Adams-Kinard spoke only to KHQ Saturday as police continue to search for him in connection with the beating death of 88-year-old Delbert Belton.

Both Kenan's father and uncle asked to remain anonymous to protect the safety of the family. Right now, both stress the need for Kenan to come forward and turn himself in to police.

"He's out there and if anybody knows where he's at or something, they really need to contact the family because we are trying to bring him in," Kenan's Dad said. "We don't want this prolonged, we really need to get this over with and get through with this and find out what's really the situation, of really, what happened in this tragedy."

The family says they want this all to come to an end as quickly as possible.

"We wish we could find him right now, I wish he'd come forward to his family, so we can bring him in because we have love for you Kenan," Kenan's Uncle said. "You're not a bad kid, we know this, this is your uncle talking and I love you man. But, I ask for you to reach out and contact your family because everybody is concerned."

According to the family, they do not think this was a random attack. Instead, they say there is a side to the story we are not hearing.

"They are building it like these kids just went and beat up an old man, which it didn't occur like that, but it is all going to come out," Kenan's Uncle said.

His uncle also thinks something must have happened that has yet to come out, saying his nephew is not a violent person. Other family members say Kenan was a good kid, who played sports and was well liked in school.

Read more: http://www.khq.com/story/23248440/fa...-his-surrender
 
... maybe 2nd perp made it to Canada?

I looked on the map and Canadian border (Alberta, British Columbia) is not that far from Spokane, WA

sorry ... just a really wild guess, though ...

:truce:

If he made it there, Canada will extradite. Since he isn't eligible for the death penalty due to his age.
 
Family Of Accused Murderer Pleads For His Surrender

Posted: Aug 24, 2013 9:06 PM CDT / Updated: Aug 24, 2013 9:06 PM CDT
by Lindsay Nadrich, KHQ Local News Reporter


KHQ EXCLUSIVE: Murder Suspect's Dad Pleads For Surrender (VIDEO - 3:50)

KHQ EXCLUSIVE: Uncle Of Murder Suspect Pleads For Surrender (VIDEO - 5:11)


23248440_BG1.jpg



The family of 16-year-old Kenan Adams-Kinard spoke only to KHQ Saturday as police continue to search for him in connection with the beating death of 88-year-old Delbert Belton.

Both Kenan's father and uncle asked to remain anonymous to protect the safety of the family. Right now, both stress the need for Kenan to come forward and turn himself in to police.

"He's out there and if anybody knows where he's at or something, they really need to contact the family because we are trying to bring him in," Kenan's Dad said. "We don't want this prolonged, we really need to get this over with and get through with this and find out what's really the situation, of really, what happened in this tragedy."

The family says they want this all to come to an end as quickly as possible.

"We wish we could find him right now, I wish he'd come forward to his family, so we can bring him in because we have love for you Kenan," Kenan's Uncle said. "You're not a bad kid, we know this, this is your uncle talking and I love you man. But, I ask for you to reach out and contact your family because everybody is concerned."

According to the family, they do not think this was a random attack. Instead, they say there is a side to the story we are not hearing.

"They are building it like these kids just went and beat up an old man, which it didn't occur like that, but it is all going to come out," Kenan's Uncle said.

His uncle also thinks something must have happened that has yet to come out, saying his nephew is not a violent person. Other family members say Kenan was a good kid, who played sports and was well liked in school.


Read more: http://www.khq.com/story/23248440/fa...-his-surrender

Wow! Just.....wow!
 
As if there is some justification for two young men to beat a very elderly old man with flashlights.

I suppose we will hear that he "disrespected" them...therefore he should die and die painfully.
 
:silenced: I don't like band camp...

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
 
ITA. Another side to the story? An old man sitting in his car is somehow responsible for being viciously beaten? Is that what they are trying to say?
I read on the perp's Facebook yesterday .. some messages by his so called "supporters / friends / buds" ... that old guy was selling drugs ... and, possibly, perp's family is trying to imply that it had something to do with it (possibly the attack not being random, possibly they knew each other etc)

Lame excuse in any case .. considering they took another man's life.

2nd perp's people also blame it on the 1st, arrested, perp ... saying that it was a mistake for the 2nd perp to be mixed up with the 1st perp (who reportedly is mixed up with gang(s)).

Basically they are trying to say that the 2nd perp "is a good boy, he could not do something like that on his own" ... etc

:(
 
I can always count on relatives to say that suspected perp is a "good boy." What else is new?
 
Is Kenan Adams-Kinard, Murderer of Delbert Belton, In Police Custody?

Kenan Adams-Kinard better enjoy his freedom while it lasts. One of the murderers of Delbert Belton, he has yet to be captured by police. But his name and likeness is out there. It’s only a matter of time before he’s caught and justice is served.
Read more: http://www.thebrennerbrief.com/2013/08/25/is-kenan-adams-kinard-murderer-of-delbert-belton-in-police-custody/

P.S.

Check out James Woods' twitter comment at the link.
 
There's going to be a backlash to all of this......and it makes me fearful.

moo
 

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