WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #1

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Forensic Astrology thread case briefing for
Shantina and son Azriel
is not good news.
The chart shows drowning.

But the astrologer still needs Azriel's dob.
I could not find it. Although, one article
said that Shantina met Azriel's father
in Hawaii.
 
None of this adds up:
- forgetting cell phone
- BF forgetting cell phone charger (makes me wonder if that's a legitimate excuse for turning off his phone so it wouldn't ping?)
- BF remembers exact times he talked to her (although this could be a result of him being asked to check his cell phone for the times)
- the Boy Scout training getting out TWO HOURS early
- back door of minivan open towards the water (as if someone was UNLOADING something to dump into the water quickly and then had to scram themselves before being discovered)
- walking out on food/smiling going out the door (as if someone had come to meet them for a visit and arrived)
- drunk/not drunk? maybe drugged ahead of time and then tailed by someone
--- but what would be the motive for someone to abduct and/or kill her/her son?

I don't think this was an accident, and I don't think she did it herself. The only thing that makes me lean a little towards her doing it herself is - the FB or MS messages (can't remember which) that state how happy she was. Seemed a little unrealistically happy for an adult to post, almost a childlike/immature post of someone who may have really high highs and really low lows. Of course, I could be reading too much into it, but that's the feeling I got from reading those.
 
Mike Galanos said something about finding a wine bottle in her belongings? Where is that from? Do they mean in their home, or in the car?

I sort of hate that the banner on HLN says "FIANCE: MISSING WOMAN AN ALCOHOLIC!" Yes, alcohol could certainly play a major role in this, but there are millions of alcoholics in the world and the majority don't end up missing persons.
 
im thinkin the dw guy needs to be looked at intensely. not sure if he has been as I have not read all the way back......jmo
 
 
gypsyblue said:
im thinkin the dw guy needs to be looked at intensely. not sure if he has been as I have not read all the way back......jmo
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I looked at him a bit, there isn't much there. He's DHW (there are other DWs in the area). Living in the house is him, his wife, 2 kids, and his mother. They all voted in the last election lol. That's all I got. I'm not posting or linking to any of the information since he's a 3rd party (and that's not allowed). But nothing weird at all pops out.
 
I'm bringing this over from IS - hope that's okay. The first link is a geneaology website showing SS's step-father's name and her mother's name. Take the step-father's name and plug it into the second link. Be sure to use the middle initial. I haven't gotten the 2nd link to work here at my work but folks are finding some interesting stuff....

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com.../UHP-1221.html

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/
 
Now that the Boys father is here can they put out an amber alert? I know they said no Amber Alert has been issued because they don't know if he has been abducted but The Boys Father should be able to find a way to get that done.
 
Calliope said:
Thought he had all these "health issues" and had just recently asked her to marry him?
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I don't think this has been answered...they've known each other 2.5 years, been engaged (I'm guessing without a date set) 2 years, and he began suspecting he has cancer recently. He then suggested last week that they go ahead and get married. That part only popped out at me because I found it very sad.
 
justme96 said:
Now that the Boys father is here can they put out an amber alert? I know they said no Amber Alert has been issued because they don't know if he has been abducted but The Boys Father should be able to find a way to get that done.
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Not if it doesn't meet the criteria I'm afraid.
 
waterpants said:
I tend to agree with that KISS theory. I DO think her head was giving her problems (whether self-induced by alcohol or not self-induced by a car accident and/or fall) I think due to her head condition she got worse. By then it was dark & late & they were outdoors. You do the math. I unfortunately think this is probably what happened.
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But the thing is, you don't get too far with a head injury or drunk with an 8 year old with you. Not to the point where LE and dogs can't find you. :S
 
reen said:
I don't think this has been answered...they've known each other 2.5 years, been engaged (I'm guessing without a date set) 2 years, and he began suspecting he has cancer recently. He then suggested last week that they go ahead and get married. That part only popped out at me because I found it very sad.
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He said on GMA that he looked up his health issues on the internet but hasn't followed up on them yet. Yes if he does have cacner that is sad but really.
 
I have a bad feeling about the BF. I'm not convinced yet that he physically did something to Shantina and her son, but something about him isn't right. Here is a senerio: Maybe he was controlling, she has a histoy of chosing not so stellar men. So let's say he was emotionally abusive....and she'd finally had enough. Maybe she threatened to leave him. Maybe he made up the "cancer scare" to make her feel bad and so she'd stay? If she were going to see someone whom she hadn't seen in a long time, why would they drive seperate? I think maybe he got wind of her "leaving" him and he tried to chase her down, therefore he ends up at step-grandfathers house. maybe when she called from the payphone he threatened her again, maybe he said "well I'm coming to your grandfather's house to bring you back home!" Maybe that's why she was stalling in Oly and didn't follow through with her original trip? Maybe she is scared of Robb Simmons.
 
WhoDidIt? said:
I have a bad feeling about the BF. I'm not convinced yet that he physically did something to Shantina and her son, but something about him isn't right. Here is a senerio: Maybe he was controlling, she has a histoy of chosing not so stellar men. So let's say he was emotionally abusive....and she'd finally had enough. Maybe she threatened to leave him. Maybe he made up the "cancer scare" to make her feel bad and so she'd stay? If she were going to see someone whom she hadn't seen in a long time, why would they drive seperate? I think maybe he got wind of her "leaving" him and he tried to chase her down, therefore he ends up at step-grandfathers house. maybe when she called from the payphone he threatened her again, maybe he said "well I'm coming to your grandfather's house to bring you back home!" Maybe that's why she was stalling in Oly and didn't follow through with her original trip? Maybe she is scared of Robb Simmons.
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That's a really interesting theory. But wouldn't she have called LE if he'd made a threat like that? She has slapped a protective order on an ex, I'd think she would know to do it again.
 
I just thought I might be able to add to the possibility of seizures and/or anxiety causing disorientation. I've had seizures for 4 years starting when I was 17. Sometimes they were the grand mal (tonic-clonic) seizures and more often after July 2008 petit mal or temporal lobe seizures. I had no idea I was having seizures until May 2008 when my boyfriend who is trained to work with the mentally disabled saw me collapse and convulse with my eyes rolled back. A lot of small seizures would not even be noticeable. Sometimes I just start stumbling a little or my vision starts blacking out, my sense of balance is off, and there is a weird roaring in my ears. Sometimes it will happen and someone is speaking to you but none of the words seem familiar. It is almost like your brain has forgotten your own native language and meanings to each word won't come. You can also just pass out and not convulse but get the aura before it happens. A few nights ago I stumbled to the counter for my glass of water and next thing I knew I was laying on the floor surrounded by broken glass.

I think it could be possible that she had a seizure and fell and hit her head. I've noticed with seizures they tend to not happen for awhile but on days they happen (especially smaller ones) they occur frequently throughout the day and night. It would be interesting to know if she is or was ever prescribed to Wellbutrin (Bupropion) in the past. My seizures started after a psychiatrist prescribed Wellbutrin and the grand mals, at least, stopped after I quit taking Wellbutrin.

Also anxiety can definitely cause horrible insomnia and insomnia can lead to side effects similar to being drunk and sometimes even to a hallucinogenic drug type of experience. After my closest friends died in a car accident I started having night terrors and would sometimes stay up anywhere from 48 hours to 72+ hours. I can remember feeling paranoid at night especially driving because I would see what looked like people on the side of the road that was actually just a road sign. I also remember hearing music and thinking oh wow one of my favorite songs is on the radio only to realize the radio wasn't on. I think if she were having any reasons for anxiety insomnia especially sleep deprivation may explain some of the odd behavior as would seizures perhaps. It would be interesting to know if she had a relapse or possibly started any medicine that had some bad side effects for her? I wish there were more information from multiple sources and perhaps medical information. If her mother for sure committed suicide 4 years ago it would be plausible she might have inherited depression, an anxiety disorder, or some other sort of disorder from her maternal side of her family. That is where my anxiety, depression, and ADD came from for me. I also think paternal wise it is harder to figure out because women seem to be more open to seeing a psychiatrist than men imo.

It definitely made me think of a seizure while reading the information. It also made me think of my brother's girlfriend who had a seizure, wrecked her car into an utility pole and died on her way to work when I was 16. She hadn't had a history of seizures before if I remember correctly and was 22 at the time. I think seizures, partial strokes, and brain aneurysms can pop out of nowhere in people.
 
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