WA WA - Sky Metalwala, 2, Bellevue, 6 Nov 2011 - #13

[Madilu]

I am really concerned. I sincerely believe Julia has done something to/with Sky. I honestly don't think this adorable little man is still alive. I hope that Julia is being monitored closely right now. I have a feeling she is going to try to kill herself and then we may never find this child.

It sounds as if her family is not much of a support system and with her tendency to isolate herself, suicide is real concern I would think.

I too have been concerned about her mental status...and if she is on any type of professional monitoring or suicide watch. It would be tragic if she did something like that...and the truth would never come out.

 

[Cubby]

If that email was from JB's mother she said that Julia had been killing her for years. (Very melodramatic but probably true if everything in SM's court docs are to be believed.)

The "friend" who was acting as a facilitator in the exchange from hell tapes did nothing to help the kids and kept telling SM she couldn't do it anymore because it was too emotional. Yeah, Julia whipping little M into hysterics was very emotional but that wasn't SM's fault! IMO that was all JB, yet I never heard her telling JB to knock it the he77 off like I wanted to!

There's the explanation on the backbone. Apparently no one has the courage to stand up to Julia. :furious:

 

[Cubby]

BBM

Given that I don't know SO, I don't know what she has done. Maybe she has spoken with JB - which would probably fall on deaf ears. She has, IIRC, spoken with LE and took a polygraph. I don't understand the disgust for her, currently. She may not be doing things the way we would, but that's on her. She has to live what she has or has not done in the search for Sky.

No one, unfortunately, can make Julia start cooperating with LE. Does it make her look guilty to hide behind her constitutional right? Absolutely! Look at what "demanding cooperation" did for Casey Anthony -- she said not one word, well, other than lies.

The disgust lies with the fact people are apparently too afraid to speak publicly for fear of the wrath of JB.

But that is jmo and everyone here has the right to their own opinion and the right to disagree with mine.

 

[Cubby]

Johnson also said investigators want a small group of people close to Biryukova and her son to supply DNA samples so they can be compared to DNA evidence found in Biryukova's vehicle and inside her Redmond apartment.

"We don't know who a lot of the DNA [evidence] belongs to," but the plan is to "match up known entities to eliminate them as suspects," Johnson said.

Police have spoken to nearly every resident of Biryukova's apartment complex, and one neighbor recalled seeing Sky about two weeks ago, the last reported sighting of the toddler, Johnson said.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016724529_missing10m.html

BBM. A lot of dna evidence.... hmm.... and LE is saying that is to eliminate people as suspects?

Anyone know of other cases in which LE used DNA as a means to provide potential suspects an alibi? :waitasec:

I always thought alibi's were usually sought through means other than DNA, such as credit card receipts, video survelliance to match receipts and things along those lines.

I find it very very interesting that LE stated they have a LOT of dna evidence. I tend to be of the belief there is a lot more to that dna than just eliminating potential suspects.

It reminds me of the Mya Lyons case. Mya was brutally murdered in 2008, her father was not arrested until January of 2011 after LE built their case. 1.5 years, iirc for LE to build their case. It may be LE is just waiting to build their case against JB. I'm willing to be patient if it means justice for Sky.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/18/richard-lyons-charged-in-_n_810656.html

jmo except where linked.

 

[hollyblue]

I have to say I'm disgusted with Grandma S and disgusted with SO. These are two people who clearly have a close relationship with JB and I see zero effort, outside of a stinking FB page, to excert any effort on JB to cooperate with LE and find this child.

Have they passed out fliers?

Have they spoken with LE?

Have they encouraged JB to participate in the search for her child? A child THEY clearly helped push away from their dad and into the dangerous situation with JB?

Have they encouraged JB to get help for her illness? Or did they/do they continue to help enable her denial turning their back to the dangers these children faced while in the custody and care of Julia?

Who in their right mind would ignore the advise and diagnoses of medical professionals? Seriously, these children were in danger and an entire group of people chose to ignore that. Not just the courts, but friends and family who chose to believe Julia over medical professionals.

Someone needs to get the courage and backbone to insist, no demand, Julia start cooperating and stop coddling and enabling her!


My heart breaks for Sky, M and their daddy.

Cubby, I'm in no way saying it is the case here but some fundamental Christians do not take psychotherapy as good thing. Some go so far as to believe it is cult like. Healing is found through prayer...and the sickness is from the depths of an evil realm.

Were both SO and SJ members of their church? Curious. It just seems JB was surrounded by people who were quite eclectic. Not saying at all that is bad, just that with her issues, it may have been an added internal struggle for her. Maybe her friends were really not that close..when all hello broke loose and chose to place their heads in sand....or they could be totally complicit. ? SO did take a LDT and wasn't it stated that someone in her family was cooperating with LE, but wanted to stay anonymous? IDK, just speculating....but do feel there is much more to this story we just don't know about yet.

I'm in agreement, JB just needs to come forward and spill it all and right now, I think it's her lawyers and family who are in best position to do so....compassionately. It all needs to be brought forward for everyone's sake...not only for little Sky, but because of MM's future as well. It's a wake up call to ALL surrounding JB and it took a little boy's disappearance to ring that bell. Unfortunately, with all the media attention they may milk this case as did many in FL with little Caylee and the Anthony's. I hope not...and have faith atm in LE trying to piece it all together. It's time for all this nonsense to stop!

Julia...Where is Sky? He's scared, and afraid. He needs his sister. He needs a hug. He needs you....right now. Your his mother. Make a difference. You can.

 

[hambirg]

Just to go over some of the possible theories here. . .

JB took Sky out of the car that morning.
He would have had to have been stalking Julia in a car, he may not have even known she had. But let's just say he did. He would have been picked up following her on the traffic cameras, but let's just say he wasn't. He would have just taken the opportunity to take Sky from the car when she stopped and left him alone. But why would she fake running out of gas? Let's just say she's nuts and did anyway, even if it doesn't make any logical sense. So then what? JB takes Sky out of the car and hides him away? I don't think that makes any sense. If anything, he would have called 911 and reported her leaving Sky in the car. The call could have been anonymous. The police would have found Sky in the car alone and JB would have been in trouble for a second time for that and would have most likely been arrested. That would have given SM more evidence in the upcoming custody trial, supporting his getting full custody of the children. So I think this theory is absurd for many reasons. It just didn't happen.

JB has Sky hidden and taken out of the country.
This theory is a little more interesting. Her Dad visited in early April and it's possible that he could have taken Sky back to the Ukraine with him. It would have required fake documents, but it's not impossible. We have the pics of the kids during that time. There are no Easter pics. But there are pics of the kids with Gr. S on June 15th. I'm not sure I believe the time of those pics though. I personally thought he looked younger than the April pics and JB could change the date stamp on the camera. June 15th was an unusually cold day. . high of 62 and overcast. Those June 15th pics look like a nice sunny day. Hmmm. But there is the question of M's hair. It looks to be long in the April pics. It's up in a loopy, messy ponytail. In the June 15th pics there are pics of her getting her haircut into a long bob. That's a problem for me, and one I'm not sure how can be explained away. If this is what really happened it might explain Gr S's reluctance to come forward. . .thinking JB had Sky moved out of the country to protect him, and not wanting to verify the June 15th date. Idk. . .I think this theory is a long shot, but I can't totally dismiss it yet (besides the fact that I would really like to believe it and that Sky is safe and happy somewhere in Ukraine).

JB did something fatal to Sky.
There are numerous plausible theories and timelines to how this could have happened, too numerous for me to hash them all out here. But I think they've been hashed out here quite a bit and I'm sure posters have their own theories.

 

[Cubby]

Cubby, I'm in no way saying it is the case here but some fundamental Christians do not take psychotherapy as good thing. Some go so far as to believe it is cult like. Healing is found through prayer...and the sickness is from the depths of an evil realm.

Were both SO and SJ members of their church? Curious. It just seems JB was surrounded by people who were quite eclectic. Not saying at all that is bad, just that with her issues, it may have been an added internal struggle for her. Maybe her friends were really not that close..when all hello broke loose and chose to place their heads in sand....or they could be totally complicit. ? SO did take a LDT and wasn't it stated that someone in her family was cooperating with LE, but wanted to stay anonymous? IDK, just speculating....but do feel there is much more to this story we just don't know about yet.

I'm in agreement, JB just needs to come forward and spill it all and right now, I think it's her lawyers and family who are in best position to do so....compassionately. It all needs to be brought forward for everyone's sake...not only for little Sky, but because of MM's future as well. It's a wake up call to ALL surrounding JB and it took a little boy's disappearance to ring that bell. Unfortunately, with all the media attention they may milk this case as did many in FL with little Caylee and the Anthony's. I hope not...and have faith atm in LE trying to piece it all together. It's time for all this nonsense to stop!

Julia...Where is Sky? He's scared, and afraid. He needs his sister. He needs a hug. He needs you....right now. Your his mother. Make a difference. You can.

I've only seen evidence connecting SJ to the church, I don't know of any connection between SO and the church.


I really don't know enough about fundamentalist churches and their stance on psychotherapy. The only evidence we have is SM, a member of this church, who apparently knew enough about and recognized JB's need for help/medical intervention by specialists in the field of mental illness he attempted to see her get the help she needed.

We don't know if SO and SJ were aware of the domestic violence and sexual molestion allegations made by JB against SM. Personally, I tend to believe JB was able to collect herself for short periods of time when around those people. We do know LE said she lived a very reclusive lifestyle. What I do not understand, and will never understand is why those around SM and JB chose not to seek answers for themselves and check on the children, as opposed to taking one parents side over the other, especially where these childrens safety was concerned. :sigh:

 

[tlcya]

I think the DNA thing is probably relating to LE trying to ascertain who was in the vehicle. Since the vehicle was JB's brother's, I imagine they would need to exclude him, any of his family members or friends who had recently been in the car, etc. That way, once those people who SHOULD have been in that vehicle are excluded, any unidentified DNA left, could then possibly linked to a suspect or accomplice.

MOO - they won't find any DNA of any unknown suspect. I don't even know that Sky was even in that car that morning.

This would seem to be due dilegence on LE part. They must exclude the possibility of an abduction completely and the DNA requests could be one step in helping them do that.

 

[Cubby]

My theory: JB came home to a messy house and messy children after the 12 hour mediation session. She would have already been emotionally charged and likely full of anger and rage when she arrived home. I think she took that rage out on Sky when she got home, for the various reasons we've discussed (resemblence to his dad, lack of apparent bonding with sky).

He was so tiny and powerless, it would have been easy for her to overtake him without his making any noise that would be heard by M.

I believe that is the reason JB tried to back out of the mediated visitation agreement and why she disappeared Sky within a day or two after she notified her attorney she wanted to back out.


JMO

 

[hollyblue]

Rougelatete, is it possible JB's OCD was only applicable in her own surroundings (house/apt) and no other? TIA

 

[Cubby]

I think the DNA thing is probably relating to LE trying to ascertain who was in the vehicle. Since the vehicle was JB's brother's, I imagine they would need to exclude him, any of his family members or friends who had recently been in the car, etc. That way, once those people who SHOULD have been in that vehicle are excluded, any unidentified DNA left, could then possibly linked to a suspect or accomplice.

MOO - they won't find any DNA of any unknown suspect. I don't even know that Sky was even in that car that morning.

This would seem to be due dilegence on LE part. They must exclude the possibility of an abduction completely and the DNA requests could be one step in helping them do that.

I kind of agree. LE would know who was supposed to be in the car and who would have visited JB's apartment. I don't know how that would eliminate suspects known to the victim. It would eliminate stranger abduction, but I don't see how it would eliminate or 'rule out' suspect(s) known to the victim.

 

[angelmom]

Not only that, why no pressure from her family?

If my child were missing, and I was not cooperating with LE and my family knew I had an attorney to protect my rights, I think, no, I know they'd really put a lot of pressure on me for answers. There is not a chance in he77 my family, and my sons godmother would not push me- even if it meant getting ugly- to work with LE.

I KNOW for a fact my family would be like, to he77 with protecting her - where is my grandson, my nephew, my godson?

Why is this family so quiet, and why are they coddling and protecting JB when someones nephew, someones grandchild, and likely someones godchild is missing?


Does ANY of Skys family and close friends besides SM care about Sky?


Why are they allowing JB to isolate herself and not pushing her to help find her son?

I don't get this either. I have a very good relationship with my family, and wonderful in-laws who I know bite their tongues a lot and don't criticize me. But if I were in this situation, they would all probably take turns holding me down and beating the living hell out of me until I told what happened. LE wouldn't have to lift a finger.

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I was curious as to what ya'll think, tho don't want to hijack the thread. At what age is it perfectly fine to leave your kid in the car alone?

Depends on the situation. I'm not sure why you would bring a kid to BF at the mall and then leave them in the car. I think they'd be safer at home alone - not that I'd leave a 7-8 yo at home alone. However, I have left a sick 8yo in the car at my drugstore to run in for Tylenol or cough drops, b/c you can park literally next to the large glass front doors that are right by the register. It is also a police substation, and there are cops in and out of there all the time. The grocery store right next door? NOPE. It's just too far, too many people, etc.

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I find it very very interesting that LE stated they have a LOT of dna evidence. I tend to be of the belief there is a lot more to that dna than just eliminating potential suspects.

It reminds me of the Mya Lyons case. Mya was brutally murdered in 2008, her father was not arrested until January of 2011 after LE built their case. 1.5 years, iirc for LE to build their case. It may be LE is just waiting to build their case against JB. I'm willing to be patient if it means justice for Sky.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/18/richard-lyons-charged-in-_n_810656.html

jmo except where linked.

Hmmm...I can only hope that a lot of DNA evidence is helpful and not a way for a defense atty to pull a Jose Baez move and try to make some smidgen of DNA that they never identify into a huge big deal.

I really hope this case is solved. I had given up hope for Mya, but you're right. LE was just very very quiet on that one. I don't want it to take 1.5 years, but I'd rather that than a clean getaway ala FCA.

 

[tlcya]

I kind of agree. LE would know who was supposed to be in the car and who would have visited JB's apartment. I don't know how that would eliminate suspects known to the victim. It would eliminate stranger abduction, but I don't see how it would eliminate or 'rule out' suspect(s) known to the victim.

in the wake of so many recent missing children cases where LE has gotten flak for "tunnel vision" as pertains to parental involvement, I think the DNA is simply part of their concurrent "abduction" investigation. I think they pretty well know this avenue isn't going to lead to Sky, but still it is one which most be at least excluded.

 

[tlcya]

I agree with posters who are puzzled as to why JB is being treated with such kid gloves. I can only assume it is because LE is concerned that JB is unstable and don't want to push her over the edge.

ETA not sure how I managed to inadvertantly quote myself, lol. removed that portion.

 

[Cubby]

Rougelatete, is it possible JB's OCD was only applicable in her own surroundings (house/apt) and no other? TIA

That's a very good question, especially in light of SM's comment that they never entertained and JB did not allow friends/family to visit their home.

 

[Cubby]

I agree with posters who are puzzled as to why JB is being treated with such kid gloves. I can only assume it is because LE is concerned that JB is unstable and don't want to push her over the edge.

ETA not sure how I managed to inadvertantly quote myself, lol. removed that portion.

I understand that fully where LE is concerned and what LE has possibly advised SM and his attorney. I don't understand it with JB's friends such as SJ, SO and JB's family members.

Those rights and protective measures have to do with LE and the judicial system. they don't necessarily apply to JB's social network.


I look at the extended family in little Aliayah's case. They are out there shouting from the roof tops despite the wrath from the childs mother and grandmother. I do not for the life of me understand any Christian community turning a blind eye to possible crimes against an innocent 2 year old boy. I do not understand the mentality of tossing ones hands up thinking they are helpless and it is someone else's problem.

It doesn't have to come with anger and animoysity. (sp?).

It can come with love to appeal to Julia to do the right thing. As opposed to turning ones back and leaving it for someone else to worry about.

I tend to think sometimes many Christians forget Jesus' righteous anger.
And I believe it is quite applicable in this situation, with Sky's disappearance, there should be some righteous anger!

all jmo

 

[Madilu]

I had two random thoughts today:

1) Is it possible she had a psychotic break/off meds, and actually really believes in her mind, or convinced herself (and girl), that Sky was in the car that day? That she was taking him to get help? Perhaps when whatever happened, happened, she entirely blocked it out -with memory loss of the events surrounding his demise. I have a friend from college that had an episode where she was 2.5 hrs drive away from her home -outside a place she used to have good times, then rammed the back of a parked car and was subsequently admitted for psych eval. She was very confused about why she was there and why she hit the car. She couldn't remember her thought process leading up to the trip, and why she was even there in the first place. It was a real break of reality. It happens.

2) that thought led me to think that if I were going to hide something, it would be in a familiar place -I would go to a park or area I knew well, had been to before. I would NOT go to a completely unfamiliar place, not knowing the terrain, how busy it is, etc... Don't you all think that LE has surely met with every friend/family they can and gotten a list of all the places that they know are familiar to her? I sure hope so -I favor a known site over an unfamiliar site...

 

[gitana1]

Johnson also said investigators want a small group of people close to Biryukova and her son to supply DNA samples so they can be compared to DNA evidence found in Biryukova's vehicle and inside her Redmond apartment.

"We don't know who a lot of the DNA [evidence] belongs to," but the plan is to "match up known entities to eliminate them as suspects," Johnson said.

Police have spoken to nearly every resident of Biryukova's apartment complex, and one neighbor recalled seeing Sky about two weeks ago, the last reported sighting of the toddler, Johnson said.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016724529_missing10m.html

BBM. A lot of dna evidence.... hmm.... and LE is saying that is to eliminate people as suspects?

Anyone know of other cases in which LE used DNA as a means to provide potential suspects an alibi? :waitasec:

I always thought alibi's were usually sought through means other than DNA, such as credit card receipts, video survelliance to match receipts and things along those lines.

I find it very very interesting that LE stated they have a LOT of dna evidence. I tend to be of the belief there is a lot more to that dna than just eliminating potential suspects.

It reminds me of the Mya Lyons case. Mya was brutally murdered in 2008, her father was not arrested until January of 2011 after LE built their case. 1.5 years, iirc for LE to build their case. It may be LE is just waiting to build their case against JB. I'm willing to be patient if it means justice for Sky.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/18/richard-lyons-charged-in-_n_810656.html

jmo except where linked.

I'm frankly surprised there is any dna evidence in that house with the way Julia cleans.

Just to go over some of the possible theories here. . .

JB took Sky out of the car that morning.
He would have had to have been stalking Julia in a car, he may not have even known she had. But let's just say he did. He would have been picked up following her on the traffic cameras, but let's just say he wasn't. He would have just taken the opportunity to take Sky from the car when she stopped and left him alone. But why would she fake running out of gas? Let's just say she's nuts and did anyway, even if it doesn't make any logical sense. So then what? JB takes Sky out of the car and hides him away? I don't think that makes any sense. If anything, he would have called 911 and reported her leaving Sky in the car. The call could have been anonymous. The police would have found Sky in the car alone and JB would have been in trouble for a second time for that and would have most likely been arrested. That would have given SM more evidence in the upcoming custody trial, supporting his getting full custody of the children. So I think this theory is absurd for many reasons. It just didn't happen.

JB has Sky hidden and taken out of the country.
This theory is a little more interesting. Her Dad visited in early April and it's possible that he could have taken Sky back to the Ukraine with him. It would have required fake documents, but it's not impossible. We have the pics of the kids during that time. There are no Easter pics. But there are pics of the kids with Gr. S on June 15th. I'm not sure I believe the time of those pics though. I personally thought he looked younger than the April pics and JB could change the date stamp on the camera. June 15th was an unusually cold day. . high of 62 and overcast. Those June 15th pics look like a nice sunny day. Hmmm. But there is the question of M's hair. It looks to be long in the April pics. It's up in a loopy, messy ponytail. In the June 15th pics there are pics of her getting her haircut into a long bob. That's a problem for me, and one I'm not sure how can be explained away. If this is what really happened it might explain Gr S's reluctance to come forward. . .thinking JB had Sky moved out of the country to protect him, and not wanting to verify the June 15th date. Idk. . .I think this theory is a long shot, but I can't totally dismiss it yet (besides the fact that I would really like to believe it and that Sky is safe and happy somewhere in Ukraine).

JB did something fatal to Sky.
There are numerous plausible theories and timelines to how this could have happened, too numerous for me to hash them all out here. But I think they've been hashed out here quite a bit and I'm sure posters have their own theories.

In your first paragraph, I think you mean SM not JB. It's confusing!

 

[Rougelatete]

Rougelatete, is it possible JB's OCD was only applicable in her own surroundings (house/apt) and no other? TIA

According to my understanding, yes, it is possible. It is also possible that it would be more exacerbated in certain environments than others -- for instance, it might be worse at home than it is in a restaurant. OCD behaviors and thoughts come with "rules" that might not make sense to an outsider -- an example of this is JB's need to re-vacuum the carpet if the lines are uneven. Those "rules" might not apply in all situations. There are also triggers in her own environment that are not present in other environments and, as one of the qualifications for an OCD diagnosis is that you know what you are doing is not normal -- so, it's possible that she may have been able to keep it under wraps in other situations (although not everyone can). I hope that helps!

 

[Adrienne37]

I personally will be glad when Julia's butt is finally arrested. it can't come soon enough.


~jmo~