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He's considered a victim so any possible theories that may involve him are off limits on this board, apparently.

I think it's interesting that LE hasn't ruled anything out, he took one polygraph that came back inconclusive and was going to take another one but his attorney would not release the results.

Yes, let's do the right thing and look at Julia who afterall has OCD and many other mental illnesses (not confirmed but allowed to speculate here), didn't allow her hubby to use the toilet and starved/abused her kids without proof that she even did any of that.

Her story doesn't add up so she must be guilty of murdering her son.

Hi ~n/t~,

SM is considered a victim in this case and it will remain that way until LE gives us reason to consider otherwise. HOWEVER, you may post theories or speculation that are related to SM's comments, LE interviews and media interviews.

If you have further questions, please pm a mod. We are happy to discuss this with you or any poster but discussing moderation in the threads is against TOS.

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Salem
 
I'm not sure about WA laws, but in the radio interview SM said that both he and JB would record the children's exchanges because they were both told by their lawyers to do so...so, I think they were both aware it was being done.

I think the 7 months was prior to him filing for divorce in March of 2010. I think he and the kids went to stay with his mom after the foreclosure and when JB went into the hospital. I'd have to reference SM's declaration to be sure though.

Okay, i remember hearing him say they had both recorded exchanges (wasn't sure if he meant they both always did or just sometimes did or just knew the other one did). But if their attorney's told them to, maybe they both gave permission for the recordings through their attorneys or at a meeting.

What's interesting for me about the 2 recordings is that it seems to me that JB is coaching M and JB is also manipulating the exchange to upset the kids and make it harder on SM. I think that is why in the later/2nd recording, it sounds like he wants there to be an intermediary so the transfer isn't in the presence of JB. And considering how JB was in the earlier (bottom) recording, i think his attorney probably just said to call the police if they wouldn't release the children. The whole first exchange was just ripe with passive-aggressive manipulation, imho. I don't see it the way I guess JB must have seen it, since she felt so wronged that she saved the recording and posted it online (for friends and family?)
 
Hi ~n/t~,

SM is considered a victim in this case and it will remain that way until LE gives us reason to consider otherwise. HOWEVER, you may post theories or speculation that are related to SM's comments, LE interviews and media interviews.

If you have further questions, please pm a mod. We are happy to discuss this with you or any poster but discussing moderation in the threads is against TOS.

Thanks,

Salem

Investigators still haven't ruled out missing toddler's parents, who struggled with heated past

But the nature of the relationship changed in 2003, as the couple was seemingly forced to get married.

Testimony in court documents states the couple married on Feb. 10 2003 in Solomon’s mother’s kitchen after Biryukova was approached with an ultimatum - marry Solomon or never see him again after his deportation to Pakistan.

It is unclear why Solomon faced deportation.

http://www.redmond-reporter.com/news/134426738.html


I'd like to know why he was facing deportation and Julia was forced to marry him. May or may not have anything to do with Sky's disappearance but a possible theory of mine is SM may have had some troubles in the past. His entire family was already in the US so it raises some questions. Furthermore, it appears they were way over their head in financial woes. Could someone have taken and harmed Sky because of this?

The fact is nobody nor any theories have been ruled out as far as I know and this article was dated yesterday so although SM appears to be a victim because he was not there when Julia left Sky alone in the vehicle, I do not believe all other possibilities that may involve him, his family, Julia, her family should be overlooked <modsnip>.

<modsnip>.

Hope you have a Happy Thanksgiving

ETA: My interpretation of the wording in that article sounds like a threat to Julia from the family.
 
Praying little M is able to have Thanksgiving dinner with her daddy today. Even if supervised with her foster family.

I'm so thankful M is safe today and praying Sky is found safely soon.
 
2 questions regarding JB's blog or website or whatever that had the recorded visitation swap.. Is it legal in WA to record audio of others? (I know videotape is usually allowed if no sound, or if it is obvious that the person is being recorded, or audio only if the person is aware or gives consent (eg leaving a voicemail or stating permission)) just not sure about audio only. I remember the Casey Anthony case had someone recording a conversation without notification and they almost got legal charges against them...

2nd question: JB mentions that SM didn't let her see M for 7 months.. when was this? Is there a timeline for their relationship/custody stuff anywhere?

TIA!

I'm sorry I don't have the link, but I recall SM indicating he knew JB was recording him, and he was recording her. It was advice from his lawyer. So one would assume that if you knew you were being recorded, that would be okay in any state. He didn't seem suprised at the recording IMHO.

I don't recall hearing anywhere that JB said SM didn't let her see M for 7 months. I always thought she had the kids based on the abuse allegations, etc. Interesting if true.

MOO

Mel
 
Could the 7 months be when she was institutionalized?
 
In a police report filed on May 25, 2010, Biryukova told a police officer that she had separated from her husband on March 10, 2010, and when she told him she planned to divorce him, "he stated that if she divorced him she would never see their children again." She also said he has physically assaulted her in the past but never reported it because she was afraid of him.



At one point, Biryukova said Metalwala and "his family threatened me that if I would puruse custody or divorce, I will never see my children again. Due to (his) extended family in Pakistan and him facing bankruptcy and IRS fraud, I have every reason to be alarmed that he may flee to Pakistan with our two children," she said.


more at the link ...more he said/she said.

http://www.myfoxspokane.com/news/kc...into-their-residence-20111123,0,5050711.story
 
I'm sorry I don't have the link, but I recall SM indicating he knew JB was recording him, and he was recording her. It was advice from his lawyer. So one would assume that if you knew you were being recorded, that would be okay in any state. He didn't seem suprised at the recording IMHO.

I don't recall hearing anywhere that JB said SM didn't let her see M for 7 months. I always thought she had the kids based on the abuse allegations, etc. Interesting if true.

MOO

Mel


Recording is legal if the other parties knows and oks it. Also, recordings left on answering machines or voice mail is also legal because the party leaving the message knows they are being recorded when they leave it.


JB mentioned being kept from M for 7 months in the 'exchange from hell' audio.

Here is the transcription:

Julia: &#8220;I think that seven months you withheld her from me - that really hurt her. I think now she sees me and she thinks she&#8217;ll never see me again. I think it could have been more healthier if it was just ongoing but after seven months that she hasn&#8217;t seen me she&#8217;s just so afraid to lose me again. You know? It&#8217;s just &#8211; I mean, you can grab her right now and take her but you know, in the long run that&#8217;s just going to be so bad for her, you know?&#8221;

M screams: &#8220;No, no, no, no &#8230;&#8221;

Julia: &#8220;I think that seven months you took her away, that really, really hurt her and now she&#8217;s very attached and she&#8217;s afraid to lose me again.&#8221;

M in the background still screaming, &#8220;No, no &#8230;&#8221;

Julia: &#8220;That&#8217;s what it is. If this had been a normal relationship then I think this could have worked out better. You know, you just didn&#8217;t handle it right. And now she has me for the first time in seven months and she doesn&#8217;t want to go.&#8221;


 
I'm sorry I don't have the link, but I recall SM indicating he knew JB was recording him, and he was recording her. It was advice from his lawyer. So one would assume that if you knew you were being recorded, that would be okay in any state. He didn't seem suprised at the recording IMHO.

I don't recall hearing anywhere that JB said SM didn't let her see M for 7 months. I always thought she had the kids based on the abuse allegations, etc. Interesting if true.

MOO

Mel

In the docket, there are three, separate cases involving this couple. The first was filed by him, IIRC. I think it was for a temporary order restraining her from having custody of or contact with the kids. It appears it was granted on a temporary basis. She replied with her own dv ro request. Eventually, his temporary orders were dismissed and her dv ro was granted and custody was switched. In the meantime, it looks like he filed for divorce.

I will try to do a rundown on the docket and list everything here. But for now, I have an apple pie to bake. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Could the 7 months be when she was institutionalized?
 
Happy Thanksgiving everyone! I have been enjoying my family so much this day. I can't stop hugging and kissing my children. They are so dear to me. On this day, I am particularly sensitive to every precious moment. I pray for Sky, M, and SB.
 
Here's a timeline of sorts, Egypt.. I was unable to find evidence of where the 7month period of time is that Solomon kept the kids away from Julia.. Of course that doesn't mean it's not true.. I've just been unable to find where it fits in..

2003- Julia and Solomon were married

12/2006- MM was born

2008- 5 yrs into their marriage SM witnessed Julia demonstrating strange/odd behaviors. Julia has had a fixation on her mother. Love/hate and on/off relationship. With Julia sending many verbally abusive emails to her mom.. But then when Julia needed someone she would go to mom who even tho Julia had treated her badly she was always there for Julia when she needed her.

2008- included in that strange/odd behavior was the severe OCD rituals that began.*the small toddler then forced to sleep til 2pm so that Julia would have no responsibility of caring for her child and when she would awake in the afternoon the father was called upon (while working to earn the only income for the family) to meet his daughter's basic need of being hungry.. It is this schedule and his having to establish an arrangement that would allow for him to ensure his child's well being led to his hiring an employee when the funds obviously were not there to do so.. This allowing him to leave in the afternoons and get to the home to pick up his daughter and take her to eat at a place he found to be the healthiest choice for her in restaurants.. They not allowed back in the home til the midnight hours.. Julia had zero connection to MM and refused to be responsible for anything whatsoever in the child's life..(both family and friends were aware of how SM had to rearrange his schedule in order to care for MM)

Mid to latter 2008- Julia agreed to get help, including admitting what control the OCD had over her(refer to page of declaration court doc for her detailed acct) and sought treatment from Dr. Reddy Seritha who diagnosed her with depression/OCD and placed her on medication. During this time there was marked improvement of Julia and it was at this point that Sky was conceived. At some point in the pregnancy she stopped taking the meds AMA.. This was not known immediately..

But by March 2009- (with Julia still pregnant with Sky) she had once again spiraled downhill and agreed to go see Dr. Katerina Rebova who diagnosed her as bi-polar and upheld the dx of depression/OCD- she was prescribed medication along with behavioral treatment as well.. Julia did not improve due to her unwilling to try the behavioral treatments the dr was ordering.. She wanted to only take a pill.. Thus she switched from med to med in search of a pill to help..

Summer 2009- *still pregnant Julia now insisted they had to move from their beautiful home(1 yr old) back to the condo. SM complied.

Sept 2009- Sky was born. *And Julia now insisted they must move back home for her comfort in handling things. SM complied. SM took off 2 mos to help care for Sky and MM from Sept-Nov.

November 2009- Julia once again insisted due to her comfort level that they must again move back to the condo. SM complied.

November*2009- when SM returned to work at their store he had to make arrangements thru various means for him to be able to work, bringing in the families only income, as well as still make sure his children's needs are being met. That meant having to leave work by early afternoon to feed and meet the needs of the children.*This was when the OCD was at such an extreme that dad and the children were only allowed in the home in the extremely late night hours and that once allowed inside they had to all 3 await only in the foyer until receiving the permission of Julia to each one at a time walk directly into the bathroom change out of their clothes and prepare for bed, Solomon was last to be allowed in the bathroom to change for bed to where Solomon, MM, and Sky were only allowed to go into the living room where they all had to sleep on the living room room floor due to Julia's having deemed the perfectly made beds as "the perfect place" which meant they were not allowed to be touched much less slept on.. So the 3 slept in LR floor, while Julia stayed up all night washing the separate loads of each of the 3 of theirs clothes as they were made to wear the exact clothes everyday that Julia would wash every night, separately as she had forbidden allowance into the clothing closets as she had them specially arranged and deemed as untouchable, do not open!! While they all slept on the floor at night Julia stayed up doing the loads of laundry as well as scouring the entire square inch of the bathroom she had allowed each of them one by one to change clothes and prepare for bed on the LR floor..

March 2010- Julia rarely left the home. The suicidal ideations had begun as well as the extremely unhealthy "parroting" began btwn Julia and MM.. MM began to repeat everything *mommy said including known to say repeatedly "I'm going to kill myself!" just like Julia did.

Spring 2010- *Julia was threatening extreme harm to herself as well as telling that she was having reoccurring dreams of harming the children, specifically strangling Sky. At this point SM called in authorities who after meeting with Julia in the home they decided it best she be taken in for 3 days to Navos Institution for an involuntary commitment of 72hours..*after the 3day involuntary commitment Julia, herself agreed she needed help and was "voluntarily"was checked into UofW for battery of tests and professional help. Julia during here stay at UofW stated that she wanted help.
*note that it has been stated that this "voluntary" is usually just semantics and is actually most times "involuntary" but the patient agrees to comply voluntarily so there is not a court record of the patient being involuntarily committed.(not sure the exact way that Julia's treatment was done)

Spring 2010- while Julia was hospitalized everything finally caved in financially and they lost their home and condo forcing SM and the 2 children to live with SM's mom/family. It was during this separation from Julia while inpatient that SM slowly began to realize the true depths of what he and his children were merely existing in their day to day lives with Julia.. Also important note that at this time SM did not file for divorce, nor did he ever attempt to keep the children from Julia.

Summer 2010- Julia was discharged from hospital and was living at her mom's part of this time, as well as at S. Owens part of this time.*

3 weeks after Julia was discharged- while living with S. Owens the 2 of them(JB and SO) decided they thought it best that the children should be living there with Julia full time. And immediately began the brutal fight for that custody.

Summer 2010- IT IS ONLY AT THIS POINT DID SM REACH OUT FOR COUNSEL AND FILED DISSOLUTION OF MARRIAGE.. important too to note this man never attempted to take these children away from Julia, and leave her without them .. Never has SM attempted such..

July 2010- Julia started the false allegations and as we see she upped the ante with each new false charge.. In July 2010 she filed that SM had physically assaulted her that was UNFOUNDED AND DISMISSED BY THE COURTS...
*also noted that by July 2010 Julia was seeing J.S. Health professional who continued to vouch for her being able and fit as a parent to THe courts*

September 27, 2010- both SM and JB appeared before the court and the courts saw fit to render shared custody btwn the two parents. SM was fine with that, but Julia was furious!*

Less than 1 week later- after the court awarded joint/shared custody Julia again contacted LE with baseless, fictitious claims.. This time alleging that SM was planning to take MM from her out of state.. SM was contacted by authorities given the case number and assured it would be dismissed.. As it was. That made the second time in two months that Julia had filed baseless charges that the court dismissed.

October 2010- Julia makes the tapes of the extremely disturbing exchanges, one named "Exchange from Hell".. Extremely disturbing to listen. (the link to these recordings in earlier Sky threads)

November 2010- due to severe financial strain SM stated that he would be late with that months spousal/child payment.

December 2010- SM PAID THE LATE PAYMENT JUST AS HE PROMISED HE WOULD. nonetheless Julia filed a motion to have him held in contempt of court for that late payment.. Along with filed a modification for spousal support stating she wanted $500.00 more per month from SM. As well as filed the most damaging false claims of all.. Charges that SM had physically assaulted both Sky and MM, as well as sexually assaulted MM. This including Julia having made wounds/bruises on the children and photographed them as evidence that SM inflicted the abuse. SM passed LDT that he had not abused or inflicted the wounds/bruises on his children.
Due to the extensive investigation that must be done when allegations such as this are filed it is this that is the sole cause for SM having last seen either of his children on December 10, 2010.

3 days prior to Sky's disappearance- Both SM and JB attended the mediation where it was finally decided to reunite this father slowly back into his children's lives. ONCE AGAIN THOSE ALLEGATIONS OF PHYSICAL/SEXUAL ABUSE WERE UNFOUNDED AND DISMISSED BY THE COURTS. SM finally was about to start to re establish a relationship with his two children.(sadly that likely will never happen and it will remain That 12/10/2010 was the last time this father ever saw his son, Sky)

November 6, 2011- Sky was last seen by mom, Julia at 9am when she left him alone, strapped in his car seat, on the side of a road in mom's unlocked Acura 1998 In Bellevue, WA
 
I am sorry to be a post-hog, but I wanted to say one more thing. I have learned a great deal from people on WS. Especially those in professional fields that offer insights. On one thread recently, someone with a psychologist background was discussing how an adult that comes from an abused childhood may become an abuser. They discussed how there is a trigger in the brain that the adult may be missing. By becoming an abuser, they become in control of the situation that they could not control in their childhood.

With the article that discusses that JB was "abused" as a child, and was never good enough, it was hard not to make some assumptions. If she truly was abused, and if she was made to never feel good enough, then possibly she was happy until she had children of her own. Once she had children....
 
Since it's a slow day in here, I've been going over the Flickr photos for what feels like the tenth time. Every time I look at them, something new jumps out at me as being odd. This time it's the photo of a man in an office that appears in the set called "M**** and Sky with Julia 2010" (the one with M in the tub and Sky outside of it looking happy). http://www.flickr.com/photos/metalwala/sets/

The first two photos in the set are closeups of M but if you look closely into the dark background you'll see the man sitting in his chair and, in the first pic, what appears to be Sky's striped sleeve next to the man. I'm curious what this setting is all about. I noticed on the bookshelf there is a binder labelled HIPAA and there are some framed degrees on the wall which made me think it was a medical office (therapist maybe?) but the messy desk and comfortable chairs remind me of professors' offices. Any ideas?? The photos were taken on a Friday (last October) from about 5-6pm.

There's probably no relevance but it keeps niggling at me.
 
Since it's a slow day in here, I've been going over the Flickr photos for what feels like the tenth time. Every time I look at them, something new jumps out at me as being odd. This time it's the photo of a man in an office that appears in the set called "M**** and Sky with Julia 2010" (the one with M in the tub and Sky outside of it looking happy). http://www.flickr.com/photos/metalwala/sets/

The first two photos in the set are closeups of M but if you look closely into the dark background you'll see the man sitting in his chair and, in the first pic, what appears to be Sky's striped sleeve next to the man. I'm curious what this setting is all about. I noticed on the bookshelf there is a binder labelled HIPAA and there are some framed degrees on the wall which made me think it was a medical office (therapist maybe?) but the messy desk and comfortable chairs remind me of professors' offices. Any ideas?? The photos were taken on a Friday (last October) from about 5-6pm.

There's probably no relevance but it keeps niggling at me.

Perhaps another doctor's appt photo that she had posted like she did when M went to the doctor for the first time?
 
Since it's a slow day in here, I've been going over the Flickr photos for what feels like the tenth time. Every time I look at them, something new jumps out at me as being odd. This time it's the photo of a man in an office that appears in the set called "M**** and Sky with Julia 2010" (the one with M in the tub and Sky outside of it looking happy). http://www.flickr.com/photos/metalwala/sets/

The first two photos in the set are closeups of M but if you look closely into the dark background you'll see the man sitting in his chair and, in the first pic, what appears to be Sky's striped sleeve next to the man. I'm curious what this setting is all about. I noticed on the bookshelf there is a binder labelled HIPAA and there are some framed degrees on the wall which made me think it was a medical office (therapist maybe?) but the messy desk and comfortable chairs remind me of professors' offices. Any ideas?? The photos were taken on a Friday (last October) from about 5-6pm.

There's probably no relevance but it keeps niggling at me.

Interesting....I looked at the photo myself. Do we know anything about JB's dad? Could this be him? I zoomed in and also saw a travel book for France but couldn't read anything else.

ETA: It's very out of place. That's for sure!
 
I was out of town for the past couple of days but hoped that when I returned we would have more news. Unfortunately I see that hasn't happened.

Concerning the photo with the man sitting in the chair.....when I first saw those photos my first thought was a counselor of some sort. My mind went back to the declaration and how SM stated that JB was seeing someone that was not entirely experienced in the required field for her issues (my wording). I have a feeling that JB would take her children with her so that this "professional" could see her interact with the kids and that would further her claims that she was in fact a good mother that was not a danger to her children.

MOO
 
Since it's a slow day in here, I've been going over the Flickr photos for what feels like the tenth time. Every time I look at them, something new jumps out at me as being odd. This time it's the photo of a man in an office that appears in the set called "M**** and Sky with Julia 2010" (the one with M in the tub and Sky outside of it looking happy). http://www.flickr.com/photos/metalwala/sets/

The first two photos in the set are closeups of M but if you look closely into the dark background you'll see the man sitting in his chair and, in the first pic, what appears to be Sky's striped sleeve next to the man. I'm curious what this setting is all about. I noticed on the bookshelf there is a binder labelled HIPAA and there are some framed degrees on the wall which made me think it was a medical office (therapist maybe?) but the messy desk and comfortable chairs remind me of professors' offices. Any ideas?? The photos were taken on a Friday (last October) from about 5-6pm.

There's probably no relevance but it keeps niggling at me.

I think it is a doctor's office of some type. The top framed document looks like a Washington state medical license. The doctor I work for is licensed in both Texas and Washington, and I'm sure his WA license looks just like that. I'd go check, but I have company and probably shouldn't go digging in my locked files.

That picture does stick out from the rest though.
 
Interesting....I looked at the photo myself. Do we know anything about JB's dad? Could this be him? I zoomed in and also saw a travel book for France but couldn't read anything else.

ETA: It's very out of place. That's for sure!

I doubt that is JB dad.

If you look at the archives and go to Taken On "March 2011"
Go to March 31
There is a picture of Stan and "Dad"
 
Happy Birthday bendrn!! And thanks for all the information you've shared with us all today!! Enjoy your birthday!!

Thank You!

And Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. What a cool group of people you are! I just love this site. :rocker:
 
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