Who said she had OCD? Is this conclusion deriving from one comment made on NG's show about her cleaning all of the time?
1. JB was deemed sane by social workers... where do you see all this other info? Links? IMO
2. Yeah, because I don't think she killed Sky. I will be incredibly shocked if she did. IMO
3. His demeanor speaks volumes to me. <modsnip> he repeatedly stated that she knows where he is... yes, she does. I think so, too. IMO
I believe it was in CPS docs and that they said that it didn't interfere with her ability to care for the kids.
She likely cleaned a lot because of fear of germs. That's also common in OCD patients.
It's been there since Sunday. I'll be interested in what you find!!
I wish there was more sleuthing here on dad... that is allowed, right?
Who said she had OCD? Is this conclusion deriving from one comment made on NG's show about her cleaning all of the time?
OCD rituals are done due to fear. If she was afraid she may harm her child, she could have cleaned religiously to get rid of her thoughts. I used to hide knives because seeing them would trigger a thought. Out of sight, out of mind. It was silly but it helped me get rid of the thoughts that eventually disappeared for good.
Possibly, cleaning was her way to get rid of them OR you're right, a fear of germs. But I'm not feeling like she has OCD here. No one with OCD cleans to the point where they refuse to feed their children.
I'm leaning towards a psychotic break or another mental illness. That is, if what her husband said was true of course. There are always three sides to the story, his, hers and the truth.
Oh, anytime!Thank you SO much for posting about your own experiences. There is nothing that promotes understanding and empathy better than hearing firsthand what it is like.
If you don't mind my asking, under extreme stress, do you think you might experience these thoughts again until the stress subsides, or are they forever and ever gone?
Thanks again for sharing and helping with our understanding.
Wow. So, how did she do it while with LE? Either she had her iphone on her at that point, or someone did it for her.
It's been repeated in past threads that the mother did not, apparently, update her FB photos for at least a year or so. The last pics posted are of when M is about 2. Her Flikr has 2,000 photos, of both children. M looks like she loves the camera. I have more pictures of my 3 year old than my 4 year old (both girls), because of this.
I think I'm having a really hard time believing anyone is really THIS dumb. Or that heartless. Good grief.
That might make sense if her profile picture wasn't of her with Sky...
I've always had OCD, since I was a child and my main obsession was intrusive thoughts. I would get the worst thoughts of harming my daughter and it would put me into such a panic that I wouldn't go near her for days. It's VERY common in OCD; just look it up, it's called "Pure O". Brooke Shields wrote a book about it after she gave birth. I eventually got over it but it took a lot out of me.
Now, she obviously had more than just the intrusive thoughts as it's claimed she cleaned like a maniac. However, people with true OCD, do NOT, and I repeat, DO NOT, ever, ever, ever act out on their intrusive thoughts. Their thoughts are fears and they obsess over their fears because they are afraid. If you read up on the condition there has never been a case where a person with OCD actually harmed someone.
IF she killed her child, she had a psychotic break of some sort. She was reaching out to her husband telling him about her thoughts/dreams because she was afraid. But again, a true person with OCD will never act out on it. They will stray far, far away to get away from that thought.
Seriously? They are both messed up. Both parents. None of the events leading up to this were okay for the kids. If the father's family thought she was a danger to her kids and honestly said they things he alleged he could have filed a temporary order to protect the kids. Divorce is a funny thing. I absolutely think she did something with the boy but it doesn't take away from what they were both doing to each other prior.
1. JB was deemed sane by social workers... where do you see all this other info? Links? IMO
2. Yeah, because I don't think she killed Sky. I will be incredibly shocked if she did. IMO
3. His demeanor speaks volumes to me. <modsnip> he repeatedly stated that she knows where he is... yes, she does. I think so, too. IMO
Who said she had OCD? Is this conclusion deriving from one comment made on NG's show about her cleaning all of the time?
Seriously? They are both messed up. Both parents. None of the events leading up to this were okay for the kids. If the father's family thought she was a danger to her kids and honestly said they things he alleged he could have filed a temporary order to protect the kids. Divorce is a funny thing. I absolutely think she did something with the boy but it doesn't take away from what they were both doing to each other prior.
Both have filed for protective orders against each other, and each has had custody of the two children at times.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016709944_missing08m.html
Someone mentioned in an earlier thread about the horribly deranged underground "networks" that abduct, hold, and deny children the comfort, security, and sanctity of their own families. Most often, these criminals are, themselves, mentally ill and suffering from an over-identification with the delusions of a parent that would harm their child for life rather than COMPROMISE with the child's other parent. These are among the lowest most vindictive vermin on the face if the earth.
While they are often called "networks", they don't really require any kind of organizational acumen to successfully destroy a child's life. Any person living a somewhat socially isolated lifestyle can easily take on criminally abducted children with little scrutiny. Home schooling and the claim of foster parenting can hide children right out in the open, with no authorities to intervene. How many people in the general public request to see a child's "papers" when their neighbor, coworker, church congregants or even pastor announce they have taken on or even adopted a foster child. The degree of dedication these criminals have in holding these children captive is often matched by their self righteous fervor.
In plain language, they are vindictive lowlifes.
I hope Sky's mother didn't suck any of these treacherous subhumans into her delusions.
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I thought he had so I looked back and found this link (I had posted it on the old thread as well):
Who are these people, and where do they exist? In this post 9/11 world, I really think such things have gone the way of the dinosaur.
It's really easy to label two divorcing parents as vindictive. That's why we have the mess we have today in family court. We've heard it so much, we believe, that people who were once completely sane automatically behave like monsters when they divorce.
In fact, the great majority of divorces settle out of court. They might not be totally amicable, but they don't lead to all out war.
Who's left? The families dealing with domestic violence, mental illness, substance abuse, and yes, to be sure, some people who are just plain difficult and vindictive. But when we just dismiss them all as angry exes, we as a society miss the opportunity to prevent so much hurt and harm to children. We miss the chance to hold the violent parent, the ill parent, the addicted parent, accountable for their actions and to steer them to services that can change their lives for the better AND protect their children in the process.
We have to find Sky. When we do, our next question has to be what, if anything, could have prevented this situation?
No, it was in the court records and was apparently a diagnosis confirmed by child custody evaluators and medical records, based on what I can gather. But based on what Bia said, I;m thinking something else might have been happening. She was hospitalized three times and one at least was involuntary.