Was Joe involved?

[Concerned Papa]

That holds true for all the cast of players.

Misty hasn't been named a suspect or a POI.
Tommy hasn't been named a suspect or a POI.
Ron Cummings has not been named a suspect or POI

No one has and I suspect that no one will be named until they are arrested and charged with the crime(s)

JOs own mother said he keeps close to the house now and Joe said he has lost a lot of his family over this.

I think Joe is smart enough to know that LE has him under surveillance and is watching him if he makes a move. He doesn't even have a car that I am aware of so him fleeing is a stretch.

I just cant fathom the DA releasing these disparaging tapes about Joe if they thought he was an innocent man. I don't think they have ever thought he was innocent. The DA has to know by revealing this information it is putting extreme pressure and anxiety on Overstreet and imo the DA wants him to sweat.

IMO

No, with all due respect that does not hold true for any of this referenced post's "cast of players" except for Joe Overstreet. Not naming a person as a suspect or POI is vastly different from issuing a statement directly stating an individual is NOT a suspect and NOT a person of interest who has been ruled out.

In regards to Ronald Cummings, his own attorney acknowledged that he was on the suspect list and had been moved down. As of February 22, 2009, Joe Overstreet was off the list entirely according to a Captain with the PCSO, and has never been publicly placed back on it.

 

[Marinemom]

Well according to many right here it wouldn't be a shocker at all if Ron was arrested or Misty or Tommy. From their take on it that would be the least shocker of all if Ron was involved in it.

So that leaves Joe Overstreet imo. I think the motive will also be the big shocker and how a (something) could have killed a defenseless child just to get even with her father over Ron's gun.

Steve Brown said he had no knowledge that Ron had any involvement in Haleigh's disappearance and he has investigated this case for months and months.



IMO

I may be in the minority here, but I 'would' be shocked to find that it was Ron who killed little Haleigh all along. I guess I would also be shocked to find out it was TN too, although many people on here suspect her of suspicious behavior. Must be I'm a bit too trusting, and just have a hard time picturing daddy or gramma doing it - but I guess it happens all the time. I just don't see it in this case. Especially NOT RC. JMO.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

:banghead: Something is fishy here...I was listening to the audio of Misty's jail visit with her dad before the river search and she tells Hank Sr. at that visit that she is not sure if Joe had anything to do with Haleigh. So, if that is the case, then why would she write a letter to Chelsea saying that Joe did this and that? I just don't get it. I wonder if that letter Chelsea claims she didn't give to LE, that she gave it to LP instead was written by Misty. First off why did she give it to LP? Why keep it from LE? I just don't know what to believe. :banghead:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

No, with all due respect that does not hold true for any of this referenced post's "cast of players" except for Joe Overstreet. Not naming a person as a suspect or POI is vastly different from issuing a statement directly stating an individual is NOT a suspect and NOT a person of interest who has been ruled out.

In regards to Ronald Cummings, his own attorney acknowledged that he was on the suspect list and had been moved down. As of February 22, 2009, Joe Overstreet was off the list entirely according to a Captain with the PCSO, and has never been publicly placed back on it.

Yes I seem to recall many months ago Ron's attorney said that he was at the bottom of the suspect list. That tells me others are now at the top of the list.

I don't think the suspects will ever be publicly known until at the time Hardy announces there has been an arrest.

If they truly believed Joe and his story they would not have taken his clothing or searched his friends car. If they believed he knew nothing and wasnt there the night Haleigh disappeared then they would have no reason whatsoever to interview him several times.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

:banghead: Something is fishy here...I was listening to the audio of Misty's jail visit with her dad before the river search and she tells Hank Sr. at that visit that she is not sure if Joe had anything to do with Haleigh. So, if that is the case, then why would she write a letter to Chelsea saying that Joe did this and that? I just don't get it. I wonder if that letter Chelsea claims she didn't give to LE, that she gave it to LP instead was written by Misty. First off why did she give it to LP? Why keep it from LE? I just don't know what to believe. :banghead:

Wow Misty is the little sly crafty one isn't she? And some seem to think she is a controlled naive girl. lol

I don't know nuttin about who took Haleigh.

She is trying to deny, deny, deny everything thinking LE is really going to believe she knows nothing about what happened to her.

I think she is trying the Joran Vandersloot defense.

IMO

 

[1Chump]

That holds true for all the cast of players.

Misty hasn't been named a suspect or a POI.
Tommy hasn't been named a suspect or a POI.
Ron Cummings has not been named a suspect or POI

No one has and I suspect that no one will be named until they are arrested and charged with the crime(s)

JOs own mother said he keeps close to the house now and Joe said he has lost a lot of his family over this.

I think Joe is smart enough to know that LE has him under surveillance and is watching him if he makes a move. He doesn't even have a car that I am aware of so him fleeing is a stretch.

I just cant fathom the DA releasing these disparaging tapes about Joe if they thought he was an innocent man. I don't think they have ever thought he was innocent. The DA has to know by revealing this information it is putting extreme pressure and anxiety on Overstreet and imo the DA wants him to sweat.

IMO

Not naming someone as a suspect or POI does not mean they are not one. However, LE stated that Joe was not one.

IMO, LE is talking to Joe to confirm things that they are being told. Not necessarily things specific to Haleigh but his knowledge regarding other aspects of the story. If Joe was at Tommy's that night. Joe could confirm parts of Tommy's story about what Tommy did or said when he was at home?

As far as the tapes being released if Joe was innocent. What is worse, anything on those tapes or some in the media who have reported over and over that Misty's cousin confessed to killing Haleigh and speculated on how?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Not naming someone as a suspect or POI does not mean they are not one. However, LE stated that Joe was not one.

IMO, LE is talking to Joe to confirm things that they are being told. Not necessarily things specific to Haleigh but his knowledge regarding other aspects of the story. If Joe was at Tommy's that night. Joe could confirm parts of Tommy's story about what Tommy did or said when he was at home?

As far as the tapes being released if Joe was innocent. What is worse, anything on those tapes or some in the media who have reported over and over that Misty's cousin confessed to killing Haleigh and speculated on how?

From the impression I got from Hardy's tone at the press conference I don't think that there is any further communication or cooperation between Joe, his lawyer and LE. I think he has lawyered up and stopped talking.

We haven't seen hide nor hair of Joe's attorney since all of this incriminating stuff has been pouring out on Joe Overstreet. They both seem to have dropped from sight.

LE says a lot of things. Doesnt mean he isnt a suspect now. Things change in LE investigations.

IMO

 

[Wendy101]

:banghead: Something is fishy here...I was listening to the audio of Misty's jail visit with her dad before the river search and she tells Hank Sr. at that visit that she is not sure if Joe had anything to do with Haleigh. So, if that is the case, then why would she write a letter to Chelsea saying that Joe did this and that? I just don't get it. I wonder if that letter Chelsea claims she didn't give to LE, that she gave it to LP instead was written by Misty.[B First off why did she give it to LP? Why keep it from LE? I just don't know what to believe. :banghead:

Wow! Interesting!

Wonder if Chelsa wrote it herself?

 

[gibby207]

Wow! Interesting!

Wonder if Chelsa wrote it herself?

I've been wondering that myself because I read somewhere in Misty's phone calls from today she asks "what note?"

Which brings me back to the topic of "was Joe involved" and WHO wrote what letter and gave to whom about Joe...

 

[dodie20]

Elle I think one member of this family is listening to his attorney. I believe Joe is involved, to some degree. Can I say in my mind he murdered Haleigh. No. I can't blame any one party in this total confused mess. I'm saying I believe it is far more complicated than Joe being a threatening individual that everyone fears. Something happened. The gun incident in my mind happened. Is there evidence of that? Not that we know for sure. Only hearsay. And as LE said there are several Persons of Interest. I have to believe LE knows what happened and will prove it. Joe is probably some part of this but I'm not sure he acted alone nor am I sure he is the one that actually hurt Haleigh.

Ron is hiding the gun information, Joe is hiding the gun information. Why? I still have feelings that an unknown will be brought into this. Yet everyone else says a fight happened. What happened to Haleigh? I hope LE knows. Yes we have few facts. When LE brings charges against Joe, if they do, that IMO would be the time to talk. Until then he doesn't have to talk. He is accused by his relatives but not charged. Legally he is within his right to not talk with all of the fingers pointed at him. Morally, if he is innocent I would prefer to see him talk.

I agree Joe could clear some things up. But if he is being advised to be quiet by his attorney that is his right. He would if arrested have to defend himself. Until then, right now it is all hearsay.

What I strongly believe is that guns are a big part of this case. But what I believe, don't make it so. I'm just like everyone else with personal beliefs and little evidence.

Having just served on a felony jury trial one of the first instructions we were given is that we cannot weigh to any degree, any possible guilt or innocence based on whether or not the defendant chose to take the stand. It was his right not to speak, that the burden was on the State to prove the charges. So I believe this may be why Joe is being quiet as directed by his attorney.

I agree that an unknown factor is gonna enter the piture, if for no other reason than Misty's 'dream' of 3 or 4 men being in the trailer. I'm dieing to know who ther other 2 men might be

 

[Marinemom]

:banghead: Something is fishy here...I was listening to the audio of Misty's jail visit with her dad before the river search and she tells Hank Sr. at that visit that she is not sure if Joe had anything to do with Haleigh. So, if that is the case, then why would she write a letter to Chelsea saying that Joe did this and that? I just don't get it. I wonder if that letter Chelsea claims she didn't give to LE, that she gave it to LP instead was written by Misty. First off why did she give it to LP? Why keep it from LE? I just don't know what to believe. :banghead:

I'm sorry, forgive me - I'm kinda new here.

What's LP?

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I agree that an unknown factor is gonna enter the piture, if for no other reason than Misty's 'dream' of 3 or 4 men being in the trailer. I'm dieing to know who ther other 2 men might be

In the tapes that were released today of Misty and Hank Sr. Misty mentions a black guy...she says something along the lines of Ronald and that black guy...he had said if he had the money he could get Haleigh. Not word for word, I got a phone call while listening, but do recall clearly Misty mentioned a black guy Ron knows and money.

 

[Dion]

Haleigh disappeared during Joe’s short stay, and I’m beginning to think that his visit may have been more “business” than pleasure ( ie trading drugs for guns) and fell apart when Ron didn’t hold up his part of the bargain. I’ve expanded on this in the theory thread.

I've been trying to think of a way to tie in Joe with Ron, in a way that somehow makes sense (at least to me ) I also believe Tommy was with Joe that night and they are both involved in some way.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I'm sorry, forgive me - I'm kinda new here.

What's LP?

:Welcome-12-june: Abbreviation for Leonard Padilla. He is a bounty hunter, he was going to bond Misty out of jail if she told the truth about Haleigh and helped bring her home. But Misty's attorney did not take him up on the offer. It has also been mentioned that he may bond Tommy and or Ronald out, but it seems they did not meet his conditions since they are still in jail.

 

[Cowdaddy]

Yeah... If Joe knows that LE KNOWS he's involved on the basis of these tapes he's gotta be jumping on hot coal right now but that's supposing that Tommy has told them the truth this time which is doubt because he's been hinting that he's telling tales to get outta jail. If he's not guilty he's gotta be nervous too because he's wondering how he's being framed. If Joe and Tommy were in it together now he might know that good ole Tommy's still keeping from LE all the good details that might convict them, like where Haleigh really is.



True but it's easier for Joe to destroy evidence (supposing there's any left to be destroyed) before he gets arrested.



I'm having a dilemma with this. If it's true he's so awful then he's an obvious suspect and hard to rule out. But there may be more than one bad apple in a tree and Joe being crazy doesn't rule out, say, Misty and Tommy hurting Haleigh, it just makes it easier to blame Joe.

If it's true that Joe's so universally hated or feared in his family it doesn't make any sense to me that Misty and Tommy protected him for so long. They should jump at joy at the chance to put him away for life, FGS. I don't buy the fear factor, he couldn't have put a knife on Misty and Tommy's throats from Tennessee, or from prison (at the time Haleigh disappeared Misty and Tommy's arrests weren't imminent so I doubt they could have foreseen the risk of being put in adjacent cells with Joe.)

I just can't believe that Joe is the whole story because Misty and Tommy have lied for so long. It was not for love of Joe, that's for sure. He may be involved in some manner but I think Misty and Tommy would have given him up in a heartbeat if the truth didn't implicate them in any manner.

My belief about things pointing to Joe is based on a lot more than the accusations of two known and very committed liars. And I don't believe they've ever been scared of Joe either.

Haleigh could have been killed accidentally, by Misty. But this isn't very likely, at least I don't think so. Or she could have OD'd, which I don't think is likely.

If Misty wasn't involved, that leaves only the males, Ron, Tommy, Joe, and Timmy. Ron and Timmy I rule out, except perhaps Timmy as an accessory. That leaves Tommy and Joe. Tommy is an low rent criminal opiate junkie. He just doesn't fit the profile of a child murderer at all. This crime is way outside of the range of the crimes we see low rent criminal junkies commit.

Joe is largely an unknown. But what we know about him is not good. We know what his grandmother thinks of him. We now that if even part of what Hank and Tommy say on the tapes about Joe is true, well, that isn't good either. We know that he's been to reform school--or that at least his grandmother says he's been to reform school. We know that he's posed on facebook holding an assault weapon designed to kill people.

I don't believe that Tommy and Misty are afraid of Joe: A mountain of evidence suggests they are not afraid of him at all. I don't believe that the Croslins are the type of people that cooperate with LE.

As far as Joe's not being in jail. All that means is that the Putnam County sheriff couldn't get to him in January, just as he couldn't get to Timmy. I don't believe the sheriff would have excluded Timmy and Joe.

And I could be wrong about this, but at the time Tommy was arrested for the drugs, I don't think we know of Putnam County having any more evidence that Tommy was involved than that Joe was involved--and almost nothing on either. If that is correct, namely that Putman County didn't have any more on Tommy than they had on Joe, that is compelling evidence that Joe would be locked up with the rest of the crew. So, the fact that Joe has lawyered up, quit cooperating, but is still free--I don't see any of that as evidence of his innocence. I think the sheriff would be just as happy to have Joe staying at his house as he is to have Tommy.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I have no idea if JO is involved, but I don't think the fact that he is out of jail demonstrates anything one way or the other. Misty and Tommy are in jail because of other crimes. Evidently, Florida LE doesn't have any OTHER crime that would allow them to take JO off the board.

It's also possible that it is JOE who has the goods on Misty and Tommy--that he was there and helped out in some way in the aftermath of her death.

 

[Marinemom]

......and I don't know about ya'll, but I think that this Chelsea character should be having some heat put on her too! I think she KNOWS things, and is what I would consider some sort of accessory.....by having information and withholding it.
...............or something.

It just sounds like the jailed players are calling Chelsea and 'involving' her to pass along info to other outside players/people. There is entirely tooooooo much talking and communicating going on.

I think Tommy, Misty, and the rest of the gang would be going CRAZY and talking their self silly to LE if they couldn't talk to their families outside on the phone all the dang time!! Am I wrong? (maybe they are hoping to get some more info by letting them blab on the phone, but ti just seems to me they are enjoying those phone calls too much and should have to be stuck with their thoughts more) :waitasec:

 

[SondraK]

I believe that Misty was so messed up on drugs that she can not be sure of what she saw and what she did not see. She is telling the truth that she does not know anything, but she comes across as lying because she has heard stories that she is not sure whether they are memories or not. She has been encouraged to confirm facts that she is unable to from her own knowledge, but feels she should because someone says she must know. I believe her when she says she doesn't know anything. I believe she was passed out when whoever took Haleigh was there. JMO today

 

[Cowdaddy]

Not naming someone as a suspect or POI does not mean they are not one. However, LE stated that Joe was not one.

Is there a link to LE saying that Joe is not a suspect or POI?

 

[Marinemom]

:Welcome-12-june: Abbreviation for Leonard Padilla. He is a bounty hunter, he was going to bond Misty out of jail if she told the truth about Haleigh and helped bring her home. But Misty's attorney did not take him up on the offer. It has also been mentioned that he may bond Tommy and or Ronald out, but it seems they did not meet his conditions since they are still in jail.

Oh geesh.....I should have realized that one. I'm familiar with Leonard Padilla in these cases....I had just forgotten about him. I first learned of him in the Caylee Anthony case watching NG. Thanks for answering my question.