Wayne Millard Murder Trial - Dellen Millard Charged With Murder - #3

[deugirtni]

I’m not understanding why DM would get into bed to shoot his father. Couldn’t he just wait until WM was snoring, creep into the bedroom toward the side of the bed his dad was facing, kneel down so his arm was level with the bed, fully extend his arm and aim the gun to shoot within centimetres of the eye and pull the trigger? Drop the gun, bend the thumb and he’s out of there.

DM didn't 'have to' get into bed with him... I heard it suggested somewhere, and to me, it makes sense, but I'm not set on that this is how it was done. That said, if the homicide team had actually investigated, or the coroner had actually looked at the angle, vs how much room was there for DM to get into position if he was the shooter, vs was it logistically possible for WM to shoot himself on that exact angle, considering it was with his left hand and his head was on the pillow, etc. ... would the answers have coincided with suicide or homicide? In looking at that photograph showing WM on the bed, it doesn't seem there was much space there to get exact positioning. That dresser which seemed to be only a couple of inches away from the bed, stuck out from the wall a fair bit (maybe guessing approx 18"?).. and we're talking about left hands.. shooting into the right side of the brain, as opposed to just straight into the eye socket. I'm certainly no expert, but it just seems like unlikely positioning, no matter which it was. jmo.

 

[deugirtni]

Do you think DM put the Lulu bag there to protect the carpet so he wouldn't have to replace it and he'd only have to fork out for the mattresses?

 

[Kamille]

O/T: There is a young man from Grey Highlands who has been missing since June 6th. Creepy thing is that his F150 pick up and black utility trailer are also missing.
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[deugirtni]

So the text to AM to come over and keep him company was at 5:56pm. According to DM, he had already called MB and spent some time on the phone with her before texting AM. Therefore, it was over an hour before the first responders got there from the time he texted AM. More than that from the time he first called MB. Doesn't seem like anyone was in a hurry to contact emergency help.

MOO

DM was telling them he discovered the body around 6:30pm., then called his mom, talked on the phone, waited for her, then called other people, then Mom arrived, went in the house.. then came out and MB called 911.

This testimony is from the first officer on the scene, paramedics had already arrived by the time he arrived. The call was a 911 call, so I believe that ambulance, police and fire are all sent out on a call at the same time? Can someone verify? This fellow received the call at 7:12pm. It seems the only ones not in a hurry to contact emergency help were his family members.

From AC's liveblog Day#2

Jun 1 2018 11:52 AM
The next witness is another police officer: Sgt. Richard Nimmo.

Jun 1 2018 11:53 AM
He's been with Toronto police for 20 years.

Jun 1 2018 11:54 AM
He was the supervisor on the shift the night that Millard died.

Jun 1 2018 11:55 AM
He got the call at 7:12 p.m. about a sudden death.

Jun 1 2018 11:55 AM
He was told Madeleine Burns had called in and said she was at her ex-husband's house with her son, and believed he had "passed away."

Jun 1 2018 11:57 AM
Nimmo says he was the first officer on scene. Paramedics were already there. He spoke with Burns and Millard, he says.

Jun 1 2018 11:58 AM
He says paramedics told him that Wayne Millard had a history of alcoholism, and it's not uncommon for the blood vessels in the throat of an alcoholic to burst.

 

[huntergerrard]

Sunrise Nov 29, 2012 was 7:30 am so I'd guess turn a light on or WM already had a light on.

Remember DM claimed something wasn't right, his dad was too still. You can't see that in the dark, so either he's lying or the light was on.

 

[huntergerrard]

Didn't MM say she was paid to clean washrooms out at the hanger??

I don't think she was paid in the traditional sense, but rather DM bought her food, took her shopping and paid for minutes on her phone IIRC.

 

[deugirtni]

We dont know at this point but ......

Notice Dellen's comment when police told him they had found a gun next to Wayne .

Without being prompted Dellen blurted out was it a revolver ?

Only someone with foreknowledge would have said that.
The policeman noticed it too.

A similar moment was the very time they visited Dellen at the hangar early in the Bosma murder .... he was not even a suspect yet ..... Dellen blurted out .... "I have been expecting you"

I wonder why that wasn't elaborated upon... or perhaps we're just not hearing *everything*, since only one reporter taking notes? Pardon? Why do you ask? What would make you suggest revolver, does your father own a revolver? I'm imagining from there the convo would have gone either: oh yes, I bought it for him for his bday.. or... oh, it must have been one of his guns from years ago, I thought he had handed them all in.. and either way, he's busted, since if they had bothered to check the gun out at the time, they would have found it had belonged to someone other than his dad, or that DM had made an illegal gun purchase. Is that how simple this could have been? If only the officer had asked more questions from the question DM asked? smh.

 

[deugirtni]

From AC's liveblog on June 12
At 5:56 p.m. on Nov 29, Millard texts his friend Andrew Michalski and says: "bro please come over, I don't want to be alone, something terrible has happened." Michalski responds: "Ok Im coming." About 7:08 p.m., Michalski texts Millard: "Dude I'm sorry for not coming to see Wayne. I couldn't if you need ANYTHING let me know"
by Adam Carter 10:24 AM

The comments about the above have been bugging me. At 7:08pm is before the first officer on scene even received the 911 call? In the interview didn't the officer ask if it was AM who had been sitting in the driveway with DM when paramedics arrived? Is something wrong with the times on the texts? If a cellphone's time is changed manually to override realtime, what would the records say? Is it just a matter of minutes that it's out? ie perhaps AM left AS SOON as ambulance arrived, and then immediately texted DM? It seems that AM's purpose wasn't to be there to support his best friend through this whole thing, it was ONLY to sit with him until emergency workers arrived?

If, as another member mentioned earlier, DM had asked AM to check on his dad... the only conceivable reason for him to check, considering DM had JUST attended a business meeting with him and several others at the house a few hours earlier, would have been to see if he was alive. If DM had asked him that, that wold be pretty incriminating, wouldn't it?? And for AM to later apologize for not going over, because he 'couldn't' - wouldn't that potentially suggest that AM may have known about a plan? Otherwise, why *wouldn't* your best friend go nearby to check out dear old Dad for you? Did whatever DM say to him really convince him that WM would do such a thing? (I doubt it?? moo) Wouldn't a best friend just think DM was being ridiculous, and happily go right over, considering all of the things DM undoubtedly did for AM?

Earlier I was believing that AM's text only meant that he was sorry he wouldn't go and take a look at the body when DM suggested that he should.... but re-reading it, more precisely says 'I'm sorry for not COMING to see Wayne'. It doesn't say sorry for not GOING to see him..

AM should be put on the stand. (As if the truth would come out of his mouth though, fat chance) moo.

 

[deugirtni]

I have a feeling the Crown is going to rest its case on Wednesday. In the beginning it was said that the Crown expects to call approx 20 witnesses. As of today, I count 21 witnesses, including Dena Colangelo, whose testimony from another court date was entered into evidence apparently because she is too ill to attend. Now that we know that MB will not be testifying at this trial on June 15th... looks like we are at the end. Will DM choose to present a defence?
moo.

 

[deugirtni]

Anyone know why Philip Woodward (the last Crown witness) 'lost his job' on November 4, 2012?

 

[mimimic]

Is it possible (yes it is!) that DM was actually waiting for his dad to get off the phone with JC, pointing at his watch, hurry up dad, I gotta talk to you.. so WM gets off the phone.. the two men chat for a bit.. here Dad, have a drink.. (laced with Percs?????), let's talk privately now about that meeting we had earlier here tonight... it ends up in disagreement, as DM fully expected and intended (or not, whatever)... WM heads off to bed.. DM waits for signs that WM is deep into sleep.. (which may be why the TOD was estimated to be sometime after 18 hours... so could have been as late as 5am before he was SURE that his dad was asleep???)?? Then he crawled into bed behind his dad (lots of room there to not even budge his dad's body if his dad was sleeping on his left side, close to the edge enough for blood to drip onto the side of the mattress.. so he had the same angle on his arm as WM would have - so perfect aim.. and he makes DAMN sure that he makes this one shot COUNT. No room for error.

I will not like typing this> but he could have put the gun in WM hand AFTER he was shot. I don't think he would risk waking him. Same with crawling into the bed, he was likely crouched on the floor with a flash light or light from the hall.

 

[Georgeo]

Very good point.

A gun WM didn’t even know existed!

 

[mimimic]

So AM was there before the paramedics, was he still there when the officers arrived? If so no questioning him?

 

[Forest_Wood]

Anyone know why Philip Woodward (the last Crown witness) 'lost his job' on November 4, 2012?

I was wondering the same. Perhaps it was meant to read December?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

ETA: In fact... remember this? The wording was so bizarre.
""He was probably the person I loved the most in the world, even more than myself," Millard told The Toronto Star in a jailhouse interview just before Christmas 2013."

More so, he loved his grandpa Carl very much and appreciated the way, CM did the business. Did DM think, he had done a favor to granddad with murdering WM, saving the reputation/company/money?

 

[mimimic]

If MB is not testifying is she now allowed to be in the courtroom?

 

[nuff]

I keep hoping the Crown will produce more expert witnesses - for example, among people who commit suicide by gunshot, how frequently do they shoot themselves in the eye rather than "eat their gun" or do it through the temple? I have to think it's pretty unusual.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I guess this is where proper English becomes really important? The comma is everything in this sentence! And this is when it really can help when there are at least two reporters reporting on the testimony. Ugh.

Is it: "Dellen was over. We ate, around I want to say 9pm. We ended up walking Dell to a corner store. He said he was getting picked up from there." She understood he was going on a date."
Or is it: "Dellen was over. We ate. Around I want to say 9pm we ended up walking Dell to a corner store. He said he was getting picked up from there." She understood he was going on a date."

From AC's Liveblog:
Jun 7 2018 10:27 AM
"Dellen was over, we ate, around I want to say 9 p.m., we ended up walking Dell to a corner store," Meneses says. "He said he was getting picked up from there." She understood he was going on a date.

Version No. 1 makes sense, IMO.

 

[andreww]

But in that case, there was no qualified, educated, experienced professional refuting that she had been murdered, and instead saying that in his professional opinion, she had run off, because of x, x, and x reasons. This case has that 'expert', and so far, no other medical professional has come on the stand to say otherwise. Unless the judge is able to go by what the coroner apparently said to the police, in that it was only 60-70% likely that suicide was the case? But from what has been tweeted, the coroner didn't state that on the stand?

The coroner stated that suicide was not his final conclusion. He had put suicide on the report, but it seemed like he was still investigating it? Or is he just saying that? Nonetheless, there is some pretty compelling evidence against Millard, most notably how he lied his way through the police interview. He said he was unaware of any guns in the house, yet the murder weapon was proved to have been acquired by him and had his DNA on it. Undeniable. He said he spent the night at Smich's, which has proven to be a lie as well. Leaving his phone and credit card shows that he was setting up an alibi. His text to Smich after his police interview "I gave them your name, but not your contact info" is confirmation that Smich was already on board to confirm his alibi. Phone pings have put Millard in the area of Maplegate at the exact time of the murder. Beyond that, we have already seen evidence of a motive, Millards fear of WM blowing his inheritance.

Bottom line is that the coroner stating it might have been a suicide is irrelevant as a bullet in the head is a bullet in the head, whether its murder or suicide. I honestly don't think that in this case there would be any way for the coroner to distinguish between the two.

 

[andreww]

I keep hoping the Crown will produce more expert witnesses - for example, among people who commit suicide by gunshot, how frequently do they shoot themselves in the eye rather than "eat their gun" or do it through the temple? I have to think it's pretty unusual.

I believe they asked that to the coroner.