weekend break: discuss the latest here #124

[gauntlet]

Wouldn't This Be Cool

If Jodie is convicted of first degree premeditated murder and gets the death penalty.
Now after she is convicted Juror # 5 did a press release and said she was totaly on Jodi's side and would have held out for a hung jury.
That would make Jodi's head explode knowing her only hope was the juror #5 her and her defense team had kicked off.
If I was juor #5 I would say that even if it wasn't true just to leave her with the thought that the only person that could save her was kicked off the jury by the defense team and Jodi.
It would be a thought Jodi would have to live with everyday for the rest of her life ( as long as that might be).

Wishfully thinking yes But could that help anything in her appeals process over the next 12 years or so?

On that note, can anyone tell me if Nurmi has to stay on her DT after her conviction unless she boots him off? I know Nurmi tried to withdraw several times but it'd be right think he would have more chance of success after her case has been tried?

 

[atthelake]

Do you trust her saying she did nothing wrong, or do you trust the Judge that says she DID deserve to be removed from the jury?

In her mind and others, it may not be mutually exclusive.

have you seen the voicemail transcript to the judge a few days before which said that to look out for her. That she was coaching Jodi by shaking her head no no no.

It could just be when she was taking notes she was shaking her head in disbelief without thinking and writing her notes. therefore, in her mind, she did nothing wrong. But since there was a call to the judge about her shaking her head no, and since a death penalty and mis trial issue, she was there for removed.

Moo

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[shane13]

Speak for yourself. I need to answer about 400 posts before 9:00, but first I've got to arrange the table next to me so that my coffee cup is exactly centered on the pattern of the mat. It's probably going to take longer to straighten up the paper clip drawer so that all of the paper clips are facing exactly the same way. And I've notice that it's been nearly five minutes since I've checked the end of the thread to see if anyone responded to my posts.

Let me know how your psych survey comes out.

:seeya:

thanks.
that's one down

 

[TXHoney]

Wouldn't This Be Cool

If Jodie is convicted of first degree premeditated murder and gets the death penalty.
Now after she is convicted Juror # 5 did a press release and said she was totaly on Jodi's side and would have held out for a hung jury.
That would make Jodi's head explode knowing her only hope was the juror #5 her and her defense team had kicked off.
If I was juor #5 I would say that even if it wasn't true just to leave her with the thought that the only person that could save her was kicked off the jury by the defense team and Jodi.
It would be a thought Jodi would have to live with everyday for the rest of her life ( as long as that might be).

You're just vicious....I like it! :floorlaugh:

 

[LambChop]

Thanks for those. I found ALV is be engaging, unoffensive, and very likable. I didn't hear anything I disagreed with apart from her claim the Disney Snow White's dad was "emotionally impotent" and failed "to protect his children", because in the Disney version the king had died within the first 5 minutes and never uttered a word, so there's no knowing what he did or didn't do.

BBM: I believe she said that to give the wicked stepmother a reason to be so evil. He drove her wickedness to it because someone had to wear the pants in the family.

Personally, I think the King was a victim of Domestic Violence at the hands of his wife and stepmother of Snow White. JMO

 

[atthelake]

This Judge is overly cautious and likes to play it safe. I'd rather wait till after trial to make a judgement. Travis' sister who knows what happened is not upset with this juror. That speaks volumes to me.

Agree, she called her sweet.

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[kaRN]

Thanks for those. I found ALV is be engaging, unoffensive, and very likable. I didn't hear anything I disagreed with apart from her claim the Disney Snow White's dad was "emotionally impotent" and failed "to protect his children", because in the Disney version the king had died within the first 5 minutes and never uttered a word, so there's no knowing what he did or didn't do.

So what fairytale character do you identify with?

 

[atthelake]

ALV even said the last column of the continuum particularly described traits in female perpretators. It's no wonder JM was quiet that day. He's just going to use every single thing said against JA. Bring it on

And what I found very noteworthy and am expecting is it he is going to find different versions of this chart! Remember how he said she could change at any time! he has other versions of it I think!

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[shane13]

Wouldn't This Be Cool

If Jodie is convicted of first degree premeditated murder and gets the death penalty.
Now after she is convicted Juror # 5 did a press release and said she was totaly on Jodi's side and would have held out for a hung jury.
That would make Jodi's head explode knowing her only hope was the juror #5 her and her defense team had kicked off.
If I was juor #5 I would say that even if it wasn't true just to leave her with the thought that the only person that could save her was kicked off the jury by the defense team and Jodi.
It would be a thought Jodi would have to live with everyday for the rest of her life ( as long as that might be).

Excellent.

That's like the fine film,12 Angry Men--where the 1 juror convinces the others by the end to change their verdict from guilty to not guilty.

 

[molly333]

I seemed to notice Ms. Laviolette's demeanor go from "I'm winning", to "Oh my God. What am I up against?"

BTW, here is a version of the Snow White story that JM wouldn't let her expound on. I've clipped the video to only include the Snow White analogy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v6FE0q7fXk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIaVKwfuXJU




Please like them.

We hold people to a standard. When we tell women they are to be passive, kind, compassionate, and long suffering--that they have to suffer to get what they want--

women believe that's what they are supposed to be.

Now they come into a battered women's shelter...and we ..pathologize them...that compassion stuff is not working out well, you're stuck in your empathy, you're a little too forgiving, and you're very passive. We want you to get tough, we want you to save your children, and we want you to change quickly..and go from snow white to the wicked witch in no time.

We need to allow for the flexibility of male and female roles and allow people to be who they are.

 

[Sleuth5]

Brought over from closed thread:

Posted by: SassyMom

It's going to be very tasty and delicious when Juan starts plugging Jodi's abusive/manipulative behavior into AL's little Aggression Continuum chart, especially because I seriously doubt she even analyzed those behaviors, and maybe the defense didn't even clue her in about them.

That is going to be a supremely pleasurable viewing experience.
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YES. Thank You. Very well said. :goodpost:And :welcome: to WS.

Did you see how hard she resisted owning any of that silly continuum. She treated it like a freakin hot potato. She wanted nothing to do with it. Which was funny since we saw it pasted on the wall for seven tedious, torturous days already. JW LOVED to plug Travis into it and have serious discussions about it's importance and relevance, as if it had any.

And then as soon as Juan asked her about it she pretended like she put no stock in it at all. :giggle: :giggle: She knows whats coming and she is trying to postpone the inevitable. Juan's coming for ya, Alyce. illowfight:

I second that. She knows that continuum is going to be the end of her when he makes it clear how many fantastic scenarios (can you say Snow White, Alyce?) he can use to create "abusive" diagnoses. It was maddening to see her suddenly pretend it wasn't all that important. I wish I had actually counted how many times I hear the word "continuum" come out of her mouth during her direct. Sheesh. :facepalm:

 

[Mykeru]

BTW, I read yesterday that she is not appearing at her speaking engagement today due to attendee outrage - LMAO! HAHAHA Alyce! Yeah, no SH__! She'll probably just take the money and run, and become a recluse since she's ready to retire anyway.

What I find kind of sad is that the "outrage" against LaViolette seems to focus on how her shilling for a violent psychopath may effect abused women, which is a legitimate concern, but what they often overlook is the dead guy.

It's a weird perspective, which I have seen demonstrated on HLN. You can see some defense shill talking heads doing this rough calculation whether the Arias case is "good for women" in general -- and some base criticism entirely on "how this effects women" and some make the next step that if lowering the bar for claims of abuse and retributive killing is somehow "good for women" then the potential dead guys should just suck it up.

Just kidding, they don't have a thought for the dead guy(s) at all.

Maybe someone can explain my observation that women seem to be a far more cohesive group, in the sense of universalizing "good for one is good for all" (and not counting snide remarks about shoes) and show more camaraderie when it counts, wheres guys often think there's fun and prizes for throwing each other under the bus.

 

[pinkie60]

Lol. That's right! Look at him, belittling my interests and hobbies, taking a scolding tone. Maybe I'll shoot him and stab him 29 times.

i heard wilmott say whenever jodie brought up her interests, TA would belittle her. I say name on instance. Seriously, when did that happen?

 

[scorpio24]

Sometime between the time when Travis' roommate came home with his girlfriend at 3pm then left around 4, and when the other roommate came home that evening, Travis had pulled out the floor cleaner. He could have put the sheets and duvet cover in the washer at that time. He had a conference call coming in around 6 or 7pm and one or two roommates who'd be coming home so I imagine he wanted Jodi out of there before 6pm. This could be why we see her fully dressed in the pictures. He may have actually thought she was gone.

I never could get why she claims Travis brought in all her things (computer, backpack, cameras, suitcase, etc.) when she was only suppose to stay for a couple of hours and then head up to Utah. Jodi could have very well called Ryan from Travis' house. She knew what time he was expecting her and she knew her phone was off. Jodi could have even asked Travis to borrow his phone to call Ryan. Not as if she can't deleted the number afterwards so he would not know who she was calling.

The fact is all these coincidences are way too many to be just that. Truth does not have versions and doesn't suddenly change just because you get caught in a lie.

Listening to the angry texts from Travis I now think, without a doubt, that the stabbings took place first. Stabbing is personal. It gives the killer a chance to see something in the eyes of the victim that are not visible with shooting them in the head to kill them. Shooting in the head is intended to end their life. Stabbing is a slower process with the victim knowing they are about to die and giving the killer a chance to savor the experience. This is who Jodi is. We can see this in her when she was on the stand being crossed by Juan. We can see it in her blank stare when she's caught in a lie. We look into the eyes of Jodi and what we sometimes see is evil.

BBM

Are we SURE it was Travis who pulled out the floor cleaner? It makes sense to me that JA would do it and try to haul the thing upstairs to clean up, but abandon the idea because of time, how heavy it was, amount of blood, roommate coming home, etc.

I don't pull my vacuum out until I'm ready to use it. Just seems a little coincidental that a floor cleaner was in the middle of the house when so much cleaning up needed to be done upstairs. Just a thought... :twocents:

 

[TexMex]

Wouldn't This Be Cool

If Jodie is convicted of first degree premeditated murder and gets the death penalty.
Now after she is convicted Juror # 5 did a press release and said she was totaly on Jodi's side and would have held out for a hung jury.
That would make Jodi's head explode knowing her only hope was the juror #5 her and her defense team had kicked off.
If I was juor #5 I would say that even if it wasn't true just to leave her with the thought that the only person that could save her was kicked off the jury by the defense team and Jodi.
It would be a thought Jodi would have to live with everyday for the rest of her life ( as long as that might be).

Lol...#5 and Jodi's mom could take a 1,000 places trip together on their book advances money. Send poor jodi postcards on death row.

 

[atthelake]

Round 1 to Juan.

Jurors are home for the weekend and they're not thinking about ALv expert testimony (and I'm being very generous calling it testimony, more like reciting from Jodi's journal) they're thinking that she goes around the country presenting "is snow white a battered woman?" NOT GOOD.

Did you see Wilmott's face? She did everything in her legalese power to keep Juan from talking about ALv & her Snow White fairytale. You think she would have done that if it helped Jodi's case. She looked really worried.

Juan got what he wanted.

Another of my favorite quotes was the objection. She stated every single objection in one long sentence that she could think of just to try to cover all bases.

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[pinkie60]

I agree. I'm not saying this in any way to make fun of his size but he doesn't look comfortable in those chairs. I think that's why he leans back and slouches a lot. It's not out of disrespect for the court, it's just that it's uncomfortable for him to sit up straight in those chairs.

:twocents: he could bring his own chair or a cushion.

 

[shane13]

And what I found very noteworthy and am expecting is it he is going to find different versions of this chart! Remember how he said she could change at any time! he has other versions of it I think!

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OK, I will endeavor to explain ALV's Continuum to you using Quantum Field Theory.

The Continuum continuously changes in its higher dimensional space or Meta-Continuum.

I could explain that level to you, but that's THE SECRET.

 

[TinTX]

Just thinking about how both defense experts denied the negative behaviors that Jodi exhibited in her relationship with Travis...particularly the stalking. Here is what I found on Stalkingriskprofile.com and it boggles my mind with how spot on it is to Jodi.

Rejected stalking arises in the context of the breakdown of a close relationship. Victims are usually former sexual intimates; however family members, close friends, or others with a very close relationship to the stalker can also become targets of Rejected stalking. The initial motivation of a Rejected stalker is either attempting to reconcile the relationship, or to exacting revenge for a perceived rejection. In many cases Rejected stalkers present as ambivalent about the victim and sometimes appear to want the relationship back, while at other times they are clearly angry and want revenge on the victim. In some cases of protracted stalking, the behaviour is maintained because becomes a
substitute for the past relationship as it allows the stalker to continue to feel close to the victim. In other cases the behaviour is maintained because it allows the stalker to salvage their damage self-esteem and feel better about themselves.
***Research clearly shows that ex-intimates are far more likely to be violent than other types of stalkers, and victims may have to take different precautions if someone who is very familiar with them is harassing them.****

I found the statement that many stalkers appear to be ambivalent to their victims very interesting since Jodi was always saying how FINE she was that Travis was moving on, and how she wished him the best blah blah blah. It always strikes me funny when she insists that in almost Every interview shes done. Why are so many of these experts glossing over this clearly dangerous pattern of behaviors that Jodi exhibited? What are your thoughts?

Very interesting and relevant information. Would like to see the Prosecutor present this type of research in contrast to ALV''s testimony.

 

[Clue Finder 55]

Numri dosen't have to stay on the defense once this trial is over.
As far as what I said about juror #5 it would not have any grounds in an appeal.
Once this juror has been kicked of the jury she can do and say whatever she likes(just like you and me and anyone else from the public).
It was the defense teams choice to have her booted off not the prosecution.