weekend break: discuss the latest here #125

[ndrew]

When did Gus give her the Helio phone? Before May 10th wasn't it?

Jodi never left anyone except DB (and that was on it's last legs and he was moving on with a child) and she'd found a playground of sexually hungry prosperous Mormon men to go through. It is interesting that Jodi didn't have any of the big money in Big Sur at the resorts hitting on her.

And keep in mind she did not leave DB until she had something better - and that was Travis.

 

[ladonna]

Was out searching on the web for info on Victoria Washington and came across this link featuring David Lohr...Nice court document included, and the video as well.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/10/jodi-arias-death-penalty_n_1269216.html

 

[kaRN]

I am pretty sure it is, because the State has the burden of proving premediatation. I don't think the denfense has to prove anything really, they only have to show reasonable doubt.

They actually have the burden of making a case for self defense because they've alleged it. We aren't assuming it's true and hoping the state proves otherwise. The state only needs to prove meditation I believe. If they succeed then no self defense for JA.

 

[TigerBalm]

My husband said Travis was in a mans defensive position in the last photo in the shower. He said a man would protect his junk and Travis was with his legs crossed. If he'd just slid down and was sitting why cross his legs? The shower door was open in that one and he said he didn't see Travis just sitting there and not trying to get out. He said that is what startled Jodi. He managed to get out of there.

Just a male observation.

BBM
I don't know why people keep saying/thinking that, his legs were NOT crossed.

You can clearly see his right foot w/heel is flat against the shower floor.

 

[Tulessa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&feature=iv&src_vid=7mXlwTZoMzQ&v=BlQLSaTY20E

 

[geevee]

Interesting post. A bit from this site: http://lindapariscrimeblog.com/?p=319


"You can see in this series of photos that Jodi Arias has positioned Travis with his back to her and then the camera goes dark @ 5:22:54. In my opinion she could be fumbling for the knife or looking around for it. She is a photographer and clearly she is not focusing on the photograph at this point in the series.

At 5:23:30 something happens and the shot looks completely automatic with a light streak in it. Watching each frame you can see when the camera is being aimed correctly and when Arias is focusing on something else…not the photography.

In court she used the excuse that she wasn’t used to using that camera but most photographers solve those issues before they point a camera and start shooting pictures with it.

The fact is you can see Arias re-positioning Travis with his back to her @ 5:27:12 and a few seconds later something startles Travis and he turns around with a surprised look on his face.

From 5:27:18 to 5:33:32…six minutes and fourteen seconds…Travis Alexander went from a startled…out of focus expression to a bloody heap on the floor and the most frightening fact of all is…unlike all of the previous photos…the photo @ 5:29:20 demonstrates that the person taking the picture was familiar enough with the camera settings and lighting situation… to take a clear purposeful photo before chaos was captured by a camera that was set on automatic…and recording the very last moments of Travis Alexander’s life.
Clearly in the sequence of photos above…there is one photo that is crystal clear, the lighting is good and it is in focus. In a matter minutes Travis Alexander is being pulled across the floor.

I would be willing to bet Jodi Arias took that photo on purpose to document the final expression on Travis’ face…so that she could enjoy the moment over and over again."

She told Flores that Travis 'hates' that picture but she thinks it's a really good one of him, it was so weird how she was speaking in present tense.

Try this with the full face picture, put a good-sized one up on your monitor (the closer to life-size the better), stand up and about a foot back, now look into his eyes. The camera flash is in the middle of his forehead so she was probably standing - that is the expression he was looking at her with.

 

[kaRN]

THAT is just wrong. And to think the taxpayers are footing the bill.

:furious:

MOO

Imagine if it took your Dr. 44 hours of solid contact with you to assess something?? Her methods are sorely lacking if that's the case. 'It's the standard rate Mr. Martinez' :banghead:

 

[katydid23]

They actually have the burden of making a case for self defense because they've alleged it. We aren't assuming it's true and hoping the state proves otherwise. The state only needs to prove meditation I believe. If they succeed then no self defense for JA.

I am not sure the state has proven meditation, but I do believe they have proven premeditation. :giggle: [laughing with ya not at ya.]:wink:

 

[katiedid2]

http://www.travisalexanderjustice.com/

This is a beautiful website for Travis Alexander, endorsed by Tanisha on her FB page.

I cried.

Charlie
I did too its so sad to see those pics of a happy Travis, I feel sad for his family.
I was shocked to see the interrogation videos of JA parents, in those videos I see a difference in Jodie's mom and her actions in court now. Wow what a different contrast from than to now.

I think her dad is more sincere i see him disappointed as he sat there listening to the sex video.
I felt sad for him.

 

[KandyKane]

Take a look at the middle pic... there are droplets of water. To me that means the shower door is closed. moo

* photos omitted for space

Shower doors aren't crystal clear. They're mottled or shaded to give a modicum of privacy for the person in the shower. Those droplets are either artifact or minute water spray on the camera lens from the door being open or most likely just water spray falling around him. Water spray is more intense the farther it falls from the source (shower head, top of waterfall, garden hose, etc.), and Travis was seated in that photo. Had the door been shut even if for some bizarre reason it was crystal clear glass the door would have been opaque with steam from the hot water.

 

[TigerBalm]

Imagine if it took your Dr. 44 hours of solid contact with you to assess something?? Her methods are sorely lacking if that's the case. 'It's the standard rate Mr. Martinez' :banghead:

Can you imagine having to listen to the defendant for 44 hours... oh wait we did and it was horrible. ullhair:

 

[TexMex]

I of course agree that every person brought up on charges by the State deserves competent counsel to defend their rights and make sure the State proves it's case. But I also think victims shoud have some rights in courts as well. So Travis had sex. He called Jodi names in anger...ok. But to go on and claim physical abuse and call him a pedophlle is another thing completely.

The Westerfield attorney knew his client raped and murdered a 7 year old neighbor girl. He was literally at a table with the district atty making a deal for life in prison in exchange for Westerfield telling them where to locate the little girls body. Before the deal could be signed word came that hikers had discovered the body. So no deal and a DP trial.

The atty went into court and accused the parents of being dope smoking swingers who must have allowed someone into their home who would kidnap rape and murder their daughter. Brought in experts to testify costing the good people of CA money. All of this when the atty knew his client did this horrible crime






Briskets still smoking

 

[kaRN]

I don't find it strange at all. If one of my exes committed a brutal murder and went on to become the most hated man in America I don't see myself going on a press tour. I would be horrified, humiliated, and ashamed of my association with him.

Me too. I'd go into hiding in fear I might get called by his lawyer or NG. :what:

 

[angela]

BBM
I don't know why people keep saying/thinking that, his legs were NOT crossed.

You can clearly see his right foot w/heel is flat against the shower floor.

I agree that his legs are not crossed but people keep thinking that because it does appear they are crossed if you don't study the pic carefully. I never thought they were crossed but when someone said they were, I saw where they were getting that idea.

 

[gngr~snap]

And keep in mind she did not leave DB until she had something better - and that was Travis.

I AGREE! She was headed out the door right after she got a boob job and joined PPL. She was looking for a man younger than DB and one that had more $. IMO
How many times does that happen? A partner starts working out gets a litle sumthin sumthin done and "poof" they are gone....
zoom.......

 

[Allyne Smithe]

He must have been at the sink when he said that because he wouldn't have been able to stand up. For him to go to the sink after lunging at Jodi, she would have to have stopped attacking him. It wouldn't make sense for him to be coughing over the sink if she were still stabbing him.

She must have left the room. Why?

When she came back, that's when he would say, "I can't feel my legs." I feel that was truthful because how would JA know that loss of feeling in legs is a symptom of injury to the vena cava?

Since JA planned a murder over a drain, there had to be a strong reason for her to slit his throat outside of the shower.

These are my main reasons for believing her when she said he screamed and screamed "not like a girl" - he was groaning and crying out in excruciating pain-- and he would have been dragging his legs, pulling himself along with his elbows in a military-style crawl.

Which I am certain made her smile.

Agree with you about her description of his screaming "not like a girl" but just constant wails of excruciating pain. But I doubt she ever left his side. Why would she need to? She had the weapons right there with her. And I believe the loss of feeling in his legs is more the result of the back stabbings impacting nerves [the transverse laminae and vertebral bodies mentioned in the autopsy report] than the stab to the superior vena cava. MOO

I think the main reason she slit his throat where she did is that he had reached the end of the hall and was almost in the bedroom. He wasn't dying fast enough. That's likely where her hand slipped on the bloody knife and she cut herself, leaving a bloody handprint on the wall.

I don't know why people keep saying/thinking that, his legs were NOT crossed.

You can clearly see his right foot w/heel is flat against the shower floor.

Good point. I think that keeps coming up because threads move so fast that not everybody sees the earlier discussions. At one time I would've bet $100 he had his legs crossed and all I can say is I'm glad I didn't risk the $100. Because his legs are not crossed. Also, he has a bruise on that calf that matches the bruise in the autopsy photos of his legs. There is no corresponding bruise on his left calf. Just for added confirmation.

 

[kaRN]

Can you imagine having to listen to the defendant for 44 hours... oh wait we did and it was horrible. ullhair:

:floorlaugh:
I could listen to her for 144 hours if I got 'the standard rate' LOL! I just couldn't look at her. :facepalm:

 

[MissJ]

Good points. To begin with, the question regarding income taxes infers some illegal activity involving money not claimed on one's tax return. The gun taped inside the engine compartment of a rental vehicle is most odd, as it would only be useful when pulled over to the side of the road with the hood up. Any other situation and it certainly couldn't be used for protection. And even more strange, is immediately after allegedly killing a boyfriend in self-defense, she purchases a gun. Wouldn't she be fearful of guns if she really had been forced to fire Travis' gun in order to save her own life?

:waitasec:

MOO

I have always thought that JA had at least worked the phone sex trade at some point. JMO. Maybe TA found out and that what his last texts were about.:moo::twocents:

 

[katydid23]

I know how closely you follow every detail of this case, and you know I respect your opinion, always.

But I do believe Travis said that and also that he was holding the right side of his head, as JA demonstrated by getting down on her hands and knees in the interrogation room, while she was still blaming two Ninjas for his death. She described him as being "on all four of his knees."

The autopsy photos show, and the autopsy report describes, several wounds to the right side of his head, which must have been very painful:
-"Two (2) oblique linear full thickness incised wounds of the right and left posterior scalp, each measuring 2 inches in length.
- "A 1 1/4 inch oblique stab wound of the lower scalp (over the mastoid process), below the earlobe of the right ear, with an apparent blunt 1/32 inch wide end posteriorly, with penetration into scalp and superficial upper right sternocleido-mastoid muscie."

Moreover, the stab wounds to his back, according to the autopsy report, "impact upon...transverse laminae and vertebral bodies..." Those are parts of the spinal cord, each corresponding to a nerve. Problems with transverse laminae and vertebral bodies are associated with numbness.

So her story about him being down on his knees holding the right side of his head appears to me to be truthful. I've caught other parts of her testimony that also appear to be truthful, such as her acknowledging the shower door was open the whole time when JM suggested that it was. And that Travis was getting ready to clean the downstairs tile floor and piled the furniture on the sofa. TA's roommate told Detective Flores that he found the furniture on the sofa and took it down.

While I can't blame anybody who doesn't believe a word she says, I find it worthwhile to listen closely, with appropriate skepticism. :cow:

I agree that we should listen closely, because she does sometimes tell the truth, although ONLY when it benefits her.

I believe some of the 'facts' in her ninja scenario because she crafted it based upon forensics. She felt it would benefit her most if that big lie matched the crime scene. So I do believe that she described Travis's actions as he was dying pretty accurately. JMO

 

[Horace Finklestein]

JM also illustrated what seems to be one of Jodi's pet stories...that something happened and she "lost consciousness". Supposedly someone in her family pushed her, she "lost consciousness", same thing she claims with Travis and I think in one other incident.