Whitney Houston passed away on 2/11/12 - Part 1

[Woe.be.gone]

We never stopped.

Keep the poor and under educated entertained after the toil at work and they will be none the wiser.

Oh I see - getting too deep for me - lol!
I thought you were pointing out when Government gets involved with civilian activities it's not a good thing. Which, I guess, is what you're pointing out!

 

[21merc7]

I think a whole lotta folks are in CYA mode!
Based on her last perfomance... why would anyone have scheduled her to sing?

:dunno:who knows!

Oddly enough she had a sore throat, according to wacky celeb reports, and was taking amoxicillan (sp?) for it. A past issue when she did not want to perform.

Still, the time line is wrong, and only a few are brave enough to say anything. I think something is up, and I have since I heard about her daughter passing out in a tub the night before. I don't believe that is a random coincidence. Not that it matters, but it is glaringly obvious.

 

[21merc7]

Oh I see - getting too deep for me - lol!
I thought you were pointing out when Government gets involved with civilian activities it's not a good thing. Which, I guess, is what you're pointing out!

That Gov thing gets tossed in too, where do you think it all stems from?

Sorry, I tend to say too much sometimes. Someone's got to have the big mouth job!

 

[21merc7]

No it wasn't. I heard him say it.
:seeya:Listen for yourself! At 55 seconds. Straight from his mouth...

Whitney Houston: Clive Davis' tribute at pre-Grammy party - YouTube

Will someone besides me listen and see what they hear? I don't always hear well, and I could swear he is saying something else.

No offense to you gngr~snap, I just hear something else and think it's a moment.

 

[Luzianne]

I hear "She was not at all scheduled to perform. She loved music..."

I call that a CYA moment.

I could be wrong, what do you guys hear?

That's what I heard. But I assumed he meant she wasn't schedule to perform at the Grammy's. I thought she was scheduled to perform at Clive Davis party.

 

[21merc7]

That's what I heard. But I assumed he meant she wasn't schedule to perform at the Grammy's. I thought she was scheduled to perform at Clive Davis party.

Oooh, I missed that idea. I am not up to date on it being 2 events, but I have never watched the Grammys! I'm going to listen again.

ETA: Just watched again. Hmmm, why is no one crying? Clive is not a good stage presence, and I know the show must go on, but no watering eyes or faltering? I'm still suspicious, lol!

 

[gngr~snap]

Will someone besides me listen and see what they hear? I don't always hear well, and I could swear he is saying something else.

No offense to you gngr~snap, I just hear something else and think it's a moment.

None taken!

I heard...
"Whitney was so full of life. She was so looking forward to tonight. She was not at all scheduled to perform"

Being that his comment about her not performing followed him saying she was looking forward to tonight, I took it to mean at that event. Not the grammies.
BUT that's ~jmo

 

[Luzianne]

None taken!

I heard...
"Whitney was so full of life. She was so looking forward to tonight. She was not at all scheduled to perform"

Being that his comment about her not performing followed him saying she was looking forward to tonight, I took it to mean at that event. Not the grammies.
BUT that's ~jmo

Could be, but whether performing or not, I don't think she would a hamburger, fries, and turkey sandwich with jalapenos, and drink a Heineken and champagne. Someone else (I think Ray J) was in her room. I think he cleaned up the evidence of illicit drugs (wouldn't want them to go to waste) and paraphenalia, but in his rush to flee the scene he forgot to get rid of the food evidence that he was there with Whitney just before she died. MHO.

 

[essies]

I think one of the pressures was trying to be "the voice" again. That was impossible to regain after the damage done for years to her vocal chords. Clive and crew should have tried a new way to market WH-perhaps she should tried to hone a "smokey", sexy voice-something that could have been possible with her range and songs picked for such a voice. I'm sure WH felt the pressure which didn't help her attempts to get clean.
People change as they get older-stars like Demi and Heather and WH needed someone to show them how to re-invent themselves for their maturing bodies and voice. You can't be 25 forever and if you try-you just look desperate. There's nothing wrong with maturing with grace and acceptance (some stars do it successfully)-although that's not a popular idea in Hollywood!IMO

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Could be, but whether performing or not, I don't think she would a hamburger, fries, and turkey sandwich with jalapenos, and drink a Heineken and champagne. Someone else (I think Ray J) was in her room. I think he cleaned up the evidence of illicit drugs (wouldn't want them to go to waste) and paraphenalia, but in his rush to flee the scene he forgot to get rid of the food evidence that he was there with Whitney just before she died. MHO.

No performer - especially a female who wants to look stunning in a pre-fitted gown - would eat all that carp within hours of being onstage. A Heineken? Burger and fries? Jalapenos? Yeah, right. Gassy, to be sure, and it will definitely show up on your belly area and exit an orifice. I really doubt that Whitney wanted to look pg or have her voice competing with other "noises".

I believe that someone was with Whitney at the time of her death, and it was most likely the person who was going to have dinner with Ms. Houston in her hotel room. jmo

 

[shana]

I, for one, will be so glad when the full autopsy report is released. ;-)

Until then, we can draw as many scenarios as the gossip sites and media report.

(Hoping it's true that the Coroner has fast-track orders on this case.)

I wouldn't be surprised to learn results early this coming week. Even if the BHPD had the results today, I doubt it would release a report to the public until after Whitney is laid to rest.

 

[gngr~snap]

Could be, but whether performing or not, I don't think she would a hamburger, fries, and turkey sandwich with jalapenos, and drink a Heineken and champagne. Someone else (I think Ray J) was in her room. I think he cleaned up the evidence of illicit drugs (wouldn't want them to go to waste) and paraphenalia, but in his rush to flee the scene he forgot to get rid of the food evidence that he was there with Whitney just before she died. MHO.

Me too!
Transcript from when Houston's death broke.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1202/11/bn.01.html

LEMON: Dionne Warwick was her cousin. I didn't meant that -- not her aunt but was a cousin. Go on. That's a small little thing. Go ahead, Nischelle.
As I'm getting information now from my producers, I'm hearing that entertainment producer Alan Duke is on the line.

Alan, you have more details about Whitney's death? What can you tell us?

ALAN DUKE, ENTERTAINMENT PRODUCER (via telephone): Well, I just spoke with a close associate of Ray J, who has been seen on a number of occasions with Whitney in recent weeks along Los Angeles. This is coming from a close friend of Ray Jay, a Los Angeles hip hop artist who goes by the name of the original Young Buck who I know to be close to Ray Jay.

He told me just a few minutes ago that Ray J was with her and is the one who found her dead at the Beverly Hills hotel rather Beverly Hilton Hotel. And we don't know any other details from that. I'm hoping to speak with Ray J Norwood. But that is what we're being told by Ray J Norwood. He just spoke with him. That he has been with him. And we have no other details.

LEMON: Nischelle, we can hear the background from your phone. So, if you don't mind, as you're on your way, can you just hang up and we'll call you back? Because as you are talking, when your phone is up, I can't hear as well.
So Alan, again, according to the person that you have been speaking to, Ray J is the one who found her at the Beverly Hilton?

DUKE: Well, they've been together the last four nights. And they were together last night and this morning at the hotel. What the nature of the relationship is I don't know, other than the fact that they were together.

LEMON: Yes. So, we don't know. But what we do know is that we have lost a major, major star, a major talent, and that is Whitney Houston dead at the age of 48. That was CNN is confirming. And according to our Alan Duke, our Alan Duke is our entertainment reporter, an entertainment producer who said that, you know, she had been staying at the Beverly Hilton for the last several nights in Beverly Hills preparing for Clive Davis' party tonight ant that entertainer Ray J apparently found her dead. Again, that's according to Alan duke.

LEMON: Dr. Drew, stand by. I want to get your perspective a little built later on. Alan Duke is back. Alan, what do you know?

DUKE: OK, I just talked with the publicist for Ray J, who was telling me that Ray J was nowhere near there when Whitney died. So, we're sorting this out. While a close associate of Ray J tells me that Ray J told he was. His publicist says he was quote "nowhere near there." He refuses to give me any further information about that. So, we're going to backtrack on that because the publicist who I know to be Ray J's publicist is saying that is inaccurate.
Alan duke, just pointed out, there seems to be a lot of discrepancy here as to who exactly found Whitney Houston. Someone who covers Hollywood all the time, that's her beat, has covered Whitney Houston, has met Whitney Houston I'm sure is Kareen Wynter. And Kareen Wynter joins us now from Hollywood.
According to Whitney's publicist, you know, Ray J wasn't the one who found Whitney.

LEMON: Right.

WYNTER: She claims that she actually got to the hotel before Ray J. So, we're trying to figure that out and we're checking in with the L.A. coroner's office to see if we have any more information, Don, at this hour.


LOVING HOW THE PUBLICISTS TURNED THAT STORY AROUND IN A FLASH!:maddening:
A friend of Ray J's not only said Ray J was with Whitney and found her but the guy was right there WITH Ray J at the time! and had been for 4 days!:what:

I think that right there has been swept under the proverbial rug.

 

[Luzianne]

On Nancy Grace tonight, Reginald Dowd (I think), Whitney's makeup artist, said he went to Whitney's hotel room Thursday to do her makeup. He said he was there for about an hour and a half. He was mentioning things they talked about, and it included that Whitney was going to sing at the party Saturday night. So if Clive Davis is saying she was NOT scheduled to perform that night, he is lying.

He also said that he got a call Saturday morning to be at Whitney's hotel room about 5:50that night to do her makeup. Then about 4:00 he got a call saying she had passed away.

 

[Luzianne]

Me too!
Transcript from when Houston's death broke.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1202/11/bn.01.html

LEMON: Dionne Warwick was her cousin. I didn't meant that -- not her aunt but was a cousin. Go on. That's a small little thing. Go ahead, Nischelle.
As I'm getting information now from my producers, I'm hearing that entertainment producer Alan Duke is on the line.

Alan, you have more details about Whitney's death? What can you tell us?

ALAN DUKE, ENTERTAINMENT PRODUCER (via telephone): Well, I just spoke with a close associate of Ray J, who has been seen on a number of occasions with Whitney in recent weeks along Los Angeles. This is coming from a close friend of Ray Jay, a Los Angeles hip hop artist who goes by the name of the original Young Buck who I know to be close to Ray Jay.

He told me just a few minutes ago that Ray J was with her and is the one who found her dead at the Beverly Hills hotel rather Beverly Hilton Hotel. And we don't know any other details from that. I'm hoping to speak with Ray J Norwood. But that is what we're being told by Ray J Norwood. He just spoke with him. That he has been with him. And we have no other details.

LEMON: Nischelle, we can hear the background from your phone. So, if you don't mind, as you're on your way, can you just hang up and we'll call you back? Because as you are talking, when your phone is up, I can't hear as well.
So Alan, again, according to the person that you have been speaking to, Ray J is the one who found her at the Beverly Hilton?

DUKE: Well, they've been together the last four nights. And they were together last night and this morning at the hotel. What the nature of the relationship is I don't know, other than the fact that they were together.

LEMON: Yes. So, we don't know. But what we do know is that we have lost a major, major star, a major talent, and that is Whitney Houston dead at the age of 48. That was CNN is confirming. And according to our Alan Duke, our Alan Duke is our entertainment reporter, an entertainment producer who said that, you know, she had been staying at the Beverly Hilton for the last several nights in Beverly Hills preparing for Clive Davis' party tonight ant that entertainer Ray J apparently found her dead. Again, that's according to Alan duke.

LEMON: Dr. Drew, stand by. I want to get your perspective a little built later on. Alan Duke is back. Alan, what do you know?

DUKE: OK, I just talked with the publicist for Ray J, who was telling me that Ray J was nowhere near there when Whitney died. So, we're sorting this out. While a close associate of Ray J tells me that Ray J told he was. His publicist says he was quote "nowhere near there." He refuses to give me any further information about that. So, we're going to backtrack on that because the publicist who I know to be Ray J's publicist is saying that is inaccurate.
Alan duke, just pointed out, there seems to be a lot of discrepancy here as to who exactly found Whitney Houston. Someone who covers Hollywood all the time, that's her beat, has covered Whitney Houston, has met Whitney Houston I'm sure is Kareen Wynter. And Kareen Wynter joins us now from Hollywood.
According to Whitney's publicist, you know, Ray J wasn't the one who found Whitney.

LEMON: Right.

WYNTER: She claims that she actually got to the hotel before Ray J. So, we're trying to figure that out and we're checking in with the L.A. coroner's office to see if we have any more information, Don, at this hour.


LOVING HOW THE PUBLICISTS TURNED THAT STORY AROUND IN A FLASH!:maddening:
A friend of Ray J's not only said Ray J was with Whitney and found her but the guy was right there WITH Ray J at the time! and had been for 4 days!:what:

I think that right there has been swept under the proverbial rug.

Yes! I also read somewhere the Ray J and Young Buck were smoking primo (marijuana laced with crack) Friday night.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Me too!
Transcript from when Houston's death broke.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1202/11/bn.01.html

LEMON: Dionne Warwick was her cousin. I didn't meant that -- not her aunt but was a cousin. Go on. That's a small little thing. Go ahead, Nischelle.
As I'm getting information now from my producers, I'm hearing that entertainment producer Alan Duke is on the line.

Alan, you have more details about Whitney's death? What can you tell us?

ALAN DUKE, ENTERTAINMENT PRODUCER (via telephone): Well, I just spoke with a close associate of Ray J, who has been seen on a number of occasions with Whitney in recent weeks along Los Angeles. This is coming from a close friend of Ray Jay, a Los Angeles hip hop artist who goes by the name of the original Young Buck who I know to be close to Ray Jay.

He told me just a few minutes ago that Ray J was with her and is the one who found her dead at the Beverly Hills hotel rather Beverly Hilton Hotel. And we don't know any other details from that. I'm hoping to speak with Ray J Norwood. But that is what we're being told by Ray J Norwood. He just spoke with him. That he has been with him. And we have no other details.

LEMON: Nischelle, we can hear the background from your phone. So, if you don't mind, as you're on your way, can you just hang up and we'll call you back? Because as you are talking, when your phone is up, I can't hear as well.
So Alan, again, according to the person that you have been speaking to, Ray J is the one who found her at the Beverly Hilton?

DUKE: Well, they've been together the last four nights. And they were together last night and this morning at the hotel. What the nature of the relationship is I don't know, other than the fact that they were together.

LEMON: Yes. So, we don't know. But what we do know is that we have lost a major, major star, a major talent, and that is Whitney Houston dead at the age of 48. That was CNN is confirming. And according to our Alan Duke, our Alan Duke is our entertainment reporter, an entertainment producer who said that, you know, she had been staying at the Beverly Hilton for the last several nights in Beverly Hills preparing for Clive Davis' party tonight ant that entertainer Ray J apparently found her dead. Again, that's according to Alan duke.

LEMON: Dr. Drew, stand by. I want to get your perspective a little built later on. Alan Duke is back. Alan, what do you know?

DUKE: OK, I just talked with the publicist for Ray J, who was telling me that Ray J was nowhere near there when Whitney died. So, we're sorting this out. While a close associate of Ray J tells me that Ray J told he was. His publicist says he was quote "nowhere near there." He refuses to give me any further information about that. So, we're going to backtrack on that because the publicist who I know to be Ray J's publicist is saying that is inaccurate.
Alan duke, just pointed out, there seems to be a lot of discrepancy here as to who exactly found Whitney Houston. Someone who covers Hollywood all the time, that's her beat, has covered Whitney Houston, has met Whitney Houston I'm sure is Kareen Wynter. And Kareen Wynter joins us now from Hollywood.
According to Whitney's publicist, you know, Ray J wasn't the one who found Whitney.

LEMON: Right.

WYNTER: She claims that she actually got to the hotel before Ray J. So, we're trying to figure that out and we're checking in with the L.A. coroner's office to see if we have any more information, Don, at this hour.


LOVING HOW THE PUBLICISTS TURNED THAT STORY AROUND IN A FLASH!:maddening:
A friend of Ray J's not only said Ray J was with Whitney and found her but the guy was right there WITH Ray J at the time! and had been for 4 days!:what:

I think that right there has been swept under the proverbial rug.

Say, what??? Brainless babbling! Gobbledeegook! Mindless prattle! WTF!! How about talking plain nonsense while trying to CYO? Talk about fancy (dirty) dancing! That interview tap-danced right off the hardwood floor! jmo

 

[Luzianne]

It comes up because Dolly made the terse comment in an interview,
saying when asked about her financial gains vis-a-vis Whitney, that Whitney
recording her song excited her and "I went out and bought a lot of shoes"!

"Went out and bought a lot of shoes" ? lease:

The fact of the matter is, Whitney was 20x the voice Dolly Parton ever
hoped to be. Whitney recording Dolly's song brought Dolly more than
Dolly herself could ever earn with her own song - it took someone else
recording it to bring in the riches.

On the other hand, Dolly has always been a good song writer, or had the
ability to get people to help her write songs. Whitney never wrote anything
if she even could have. Whitney could play the piano, I guess? Could Whitney
read music? Dolly can and does.

But, its equating "buying a bunch of shoes" with Whtney's LIFE, that some
find a little tacky. And the timing couldnt be worse,to say the least.

It very well could be, Dolly had no intention of demeaning Whitney in any
way ... and I tend to think that was the case ... it just sort of came out
the wrong way, whether Dolly intendedit or not, and the interviewer let it
stand and didnt have the brains to clear it up, and Dolly didnt explain further,
either ! It left some people wondering and some thinking "Woah!" Ooooooops!

Maybe the whole thing should just be dropped. !:what:

I think it was actually wigs that she said that she bought, and SHE SAID THAT SOME TIME BACK, BEFORE WHITNEY DIED. She certainly didn't say it after Whitney died and she in no way equated Whitney's life with a bunch of wigs - or shoes! It was Dolly making fun of herself, and it was BEFORE Whitney died that she said that.

 

[Nova]

Because someone suggested that Dolly should pay for Whitney's funeral and the comment had a negative tone to it.
I guess we have a group of Dolly fans here to include me!

Thanks. I actually knew where the conflict started. I meant to ask a rhetorical question.

Personally, I am very much a Parton fan, but, as I said in a previous post, except for the Parton song I never thought Houston had material that matched her vocal gifts. But I recognize that both women are/were extremely talented. I see no reason to create a pissing contest using someone who died last week.

As for "And I Will Always Love You", the two women sang it very differently. Both versions are widely acknowledged classics and rightfully so.

 

[Nova]

It comes up because Dolly made the terse comment in an interview,
saying when asked about her financial gains vis-a-vis Whitney, that Whitney
recording her song excited her and "I went out and bought a lot of shoes"!

"Went out and bought a lot of shoes" ? lease:

The fact of the matter is, Whitney was 20x the voice Dolly Parton ever
hoped to be. Whitney recording Dolly's song brought Dolly more than
Dolly herself could ever earn with her own song - it took someone else
recording it to bring in the riches.

On the other hand, Dolly has always been a good song writer, or had the
ability to get people to help her write songs. Whitney never wrote anything
if she even could have. Whitney could play the piano, I guess? Could Whitney
read music? Dolly can and does.

But, its equating "buying a bunch of shoes" with Whtney's LIFE, that some
find a little tacky. And the timing couldnt be worse,to say the least.

It very well could be, Dolly had no intention of demeaning Whitney in any
way ... and I tend to think that was the case ... it just sort of came out
the wrong way, whether Dolly intendedit or not, and the interviewer let it
stand and didnt have the brains to clear it up, and Dolly didnt explain further,
either ! It left some people wondering and some thinking "Woah!" Ooooooops!

Maybe the whole thing should just be dropped. !:what:

Maybe, but before we do, let's get the record straight.

It's true that Whitney Houston had a freakish, monster hit with "And I Will Always Love You." And Dolly Parton, as the author, quite rightfully shared in the proceeds from that record.

Parton's remark about that recording "buying me a lot of shoes" wasn't a "terse remark", it was a joke she's been telling FOR TWENTY YEARS! (Sometimes she said "wigs" instead of "shoes".) I seriously doubt she has said any such thing since Houston's death. Despite jokes about being "cheap" for her act, Parton has too much class to be joking about a recently deceased woman.

MOREOVER, Dolly Parton had her own huge hit with the song in 1974, 18 years before Houston sang it in THE BODYGUARD. Parton's recording hit number one on the BILLBOARD country charts twice, the first record ever to do so.

I'm not even that big a country fan, but I knew the song by heart when Whitney Houston was a little girl. So Parton had already made a small fortune off the song before Houston ever sang it. She even sang it in a movie, as it was added to the score of BEST LITTLE WHOREHOUSE IN TEXAS.

But people used to ask Parton if she resented Houston having an even bigger hit with the song, so Parton, in her typically self-deprecating way, used to JOKE that she didn't mind, the royalties "bought me a lot of shoes".

Dolly Parton's voice (and songwriting ability) has sold over 100 million records, making her one of the best-selling recording artists of all time (per BILLBOARD via Wiki). Hers is a unique instrument that can't really be compared to anyone else's. IMO, she's a national treasure.

Also per Wiki, Houston has sold over 170 millions records, so both ladies are/were in rare company.

 

[Nova]

Yes, Dolly's quote about buying the shoes was from some time in the past. I've also read another version in which she had supposedly said that she had bought a lot of cheap wigs. If anything, Dolly was poking fun at herself!

Today at TMZ however, there is a story about another recent Dolly quote (after Whitney's death) with the addition of an apology:

I Didn't Mean to Diss Whitney
'I Will Always Love You' Is OURS

Oh, good grief! Songwriters ALWAYS call the songs they write "mine". There was no disrespect in Parton's comment and she shouldn't have had to apologize. However, it's typically gracious of her that she would do so, rather than making an issue out of being in the right.

"And I Will Always Love You" IS Dolly Parton's song.

A great recording of it may be said to be Whitney Houston's "version" or "rendition", but the song itself belongs to the songwriter.

I blame the phony fuss on the internet where songs are falsely listed as belonging to singers rather than writers. I adore Bette Midler, but "The Rose" is Amanda McBroom's song.

 

[gngr~snap]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! What is this about pulling duffle bags out of the trunk?!

I wonder about Ray J's words, "we gotta' live with that." Sorry, but my overly suspicious mind sees blame passing, unless he was talking to Bobbi K and trying to calm her.

If Bobbi K was angry that makes sense. She has every right to be angry at the world, at God, at everything and everyone. She only saw her mother and father high on drugs her entire life. She knows nothing else. That is her reality. That and taking care of a messed up mom. It's like she was raised on the streets. I don't know what kind of future she has, can she change it all for herself? Or will she just go gansta' and burn up too? So sad when she could have been so much if her parents could have just cleaned up once they realized she was a living, breathing, talking, thinking, absorbing human being.

I have been racking my brain about that. All I can come up with is that they knew fire medics on the scene and had been told victim was beyond saving??? So they were not in a rush.
The duffel bags perhaps contained "police line do not cross tape", camera, shoe covers witness statement forms- ya know investigative items needed to secure the scene until the crime scene investigators arrived.