Whitney Houston passed away on 2/11/12 - Part 1

[Luzianne]

Well it is starting to get even odder. Aside from the reports of repeated erratic behavior, there is the issue of her daughter passing out in the tub the night before and flooding the room below which is just really odd in light of her mothers death in a eerily similar circumstance.

I'm seeing hints of crack use here or excessive drug use, bad drugs or unusually strong drugs. Maybe they had access to the really good stuff which is more pure and stronger than the usual stuff, after all its a week of partying and the alcohol and drugs are flowing. maybe they were mixing them. Who knows at this point because the ones who do know aren't telling.

Here are the things that set off my crack radar and is based on my experiences with a friend/roommate who turned into a crack addict and neighbors whose bathroom was right next the wall of my bedroom. I don't know why but crack is often a bathroom drug, maybe it is the secrecy or the paranoia where they have to be in a secure place, behind a locked door.

My roommate would hide in the bathroom and be freaked out that every noise was someone coming after her including the cable wires and the squirrel in the tree outside. She was my first exposure to a crack user so it took me a while to catch on. There wasn't an odd odor or smoke when she left the bathroom so i knew it wasn't weed.

The neighbors used to all gather in their bathroom and there was lots of running water and beating on something during their crack binges. Someone later explained to me that that behavior was typical of crack users.

So apparently the bathroom was the party place. It is where Bobbi Kristina had her incident and later Whitney. Eating while doing crack is a new one for me though. For all we know, the food was just a front to make it look like they were eating to throw people off. It will be interesting to find out what Whitney's stomach contents were. I'm sure they will also fingerprint the beer and the champagne which will give us more insight as well. Odd that there was a burger and a turkey sandwich along with champagne and beer. Sounds like 2 meals intended for 2 different people to me.

Then the timeline is off. Odd that she would have been alone when that was usually not the case when she bathed. So I think someone was with her when it happened and they freaked out and went into CYA mode hiding or flushing stuff. Or maybe whoever was with her didnt see it happened but found her and went into CYA mode. Phone records should help clear some of this up.

The fact that Ray J didn't say where he was but only that he was "nowhere near there" sounds odd. So is he buying time to get an alibi or was he possibly with another female which would have set Whit on a self destructive binge? Hmm
If she was alone and doing drugs in there then she might have had the door locked to hide what she was doing. But the door was unlocked so maybe someone was with her and unlocked it when they left.

Someone mentioned first responders with duffel bags. Well as a first responder I can tell you that we do carry gear in duffel bags. Even the machine to shock a heart is contained in a duffel bag along with drugs to try and restart a heart.

We assess the condition of the patient as to how long they may have been out. Rigor mortis is a huge clue as is blood pooling,body temp, etc. Some patients are clearly gone and no efforts are made and we notify dispatch to make calls for the coroner, police, etc. Others are clearly unrevivable but we will give it the 30 minute try anyway using the shock, the drugs and CPR.

Sometimes we know it is hopeless but will continue for the sake of the family because we know we won't be transporting the deceased as they are obviously dead and we are just going with protocol until the coroner gets there. Where i live, we need a doctor to confirm death and that can sometimes be done by a doctor over the phone after 30 minutes of failed revival attempts. Continued attempts to work with the patient are also used as a reason to remove family members from the traumatic scene. Then the coroner is called to come and get the body. Different places use different codes and radio systems so a scanner might not pick up everything.

So I will be interested to hear how the official timeline comes out as opposed to how it is being portrayed. But it does seem rather hinky at this point. The autopsy should bring some answers and also more questions.

They said on Nancy Grace tonight that police are going over surveillance video from the hotel. Now, that might just be to observe Whitney's activity/behavior in the days prior to her death, but it may also be to see if people who say they weren't there (Ray J) were there, and if they are lying about it, then there must be a reason. Surveillance would show if someone left shortly before Whitney was found dead. I still believe that Ray J was the one to find her dead because that's what the first reports said, and then suddenly his PR said he was nowhere near there. Right.

Since you are a first responder, does the time frame add up to you, as far as her body being "very cold" when it was found? She talked to her mother at 3:15 and she was pronounced dead at 3:55 - although I've heard there may be some discrepancy because her mother is on the east coast.

I also heard that she was found in the bathtub and then moved to the bed for CPR. You don't put someone on a bed to do CPR, you put them on the floor...

I just get the feeling that something happened and the hotel room was sanitized before 911 was called. Or that she died when Ray J was with her and then he left and let her staff find her body.

About the drugs - they said that she had three benzodiazepines in her room - Xanax, Valium and I think Ambien. I also have heard reports that she and Ray J had smoked "primo" - pot mixed with crack cocaine - on Friday night.

Also, you talk about rigor mortis. I wondered about that because of the picture (sorry, trying not to be too graphic) of them bringing her out of the hotel room. There is a sheet over her but it's "elevated" for lack of a better word and I just wonder if she was found with rigor mortis already set in and they were unable to reposition her supine before removing her body from the room. As a first responder, what is your opinion of that?

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[daisy.faithfull]

Here's an article that was recently posted about Kevin Costner and Whitney's friendship. It talks a bit about "The Bodyguard" and "I Will Always Love You".

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/whitney-houston-kevin-costner-bodyguard-bond-204255837.html

He was absolutely right, I can't imagine anyone but Whitney in that role.

I remember I babysat for a very hyper little girl when "I Wanna Dance With Somebody" and other Whitney hits were being played on Mtv a lot, she'd just bounce around the living room.

My thoughts and prayers go out to her loved ones, especially her daughter.

 

[gngr~snap]

They said on Nancy Grace tonight that police are going over surveillance video from the hotel. Now, that might just be to observe Whitney's activity/behavior in the days prior to her death, but it may also be to see if people who say they weren't there (Ray J) were there, and if they are lying about it, then there must be a reason. Surveillance would show if someone left shortly before Whitney was found dead. I still believe that Ray J was the one to find her dead because that's what the first reports said, and then suddenly his PR said he was nowhere near there. Right.

Since you are a first responder, does the time frame add up to you, as far as her body being "very cold" when it was found? She talked to her mother at 3:15 and she was pronounced dead at 3:55 - although I've heard there may be some discrepancy because her mother is on the east coast.

I also heard that she was found in the bathtub and then moved to the bed for CPR. You don't put someone on a bed to do CPR, you put them on the floor...

I just get the feeling that something happened and the hotel room was sanitized before 911 was called. Or that she died when Ray J was with her and then he left and let her staff find her body.

About the drugs - they said that she had three benzodiazepines in her room - Xanax, Valium and I think Ambien. I also have heard reports that she and Ray J had smoked "primo" - pot mixed with crack cocaine - on Friday night.

Also, you talk about rigor mortis. I wondered about that because of the picture (sorry, trying not to be too graphic) of them bringing her out of the hotel room. There is a sheet over her but it's "elevated" for lack of a better word and I just wonder if she was found with rigor mortis already set in and they were unable to reposition her supine before removing her body from the room. As a first responder, what is your opinion of that?

http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Entertainment/660/371/whitney-houston-gurney-split-640.gif

I am not a first responder but I am a nurse.
I can say with 100% certanty that when removed from her hotel room she was in rigors.
TOD was 3:55PM
she was not removed until after midnight. So you are correct about that.

Now if she was bent over the tub in some way with her legs in the air, as reported and she actually died a few hours earlier the rigor wouldn't break so she would have been in a bent position when removed.
Rigor does go away so she wasn't stuck in an odd position fer the viewing last night.

A first responder can answer the rest. I can't confirm or deny something I have no training in.
hth

 

[21merc7]

I've been thinking about this, and I do think it was crack that caused her death. That mixed with the prescriptions is just dangerous.

Here is why. I lived in an apartment building a few years back that had quite a few crack heads renting there. Fortunately they liked me and did not threaten or hurt me, lol. Two of them died, several years apart, so that was not related. One was 50, he was found by his girlfriend at the table with his face in a bowl of cereal and milk, his heart stopped. Second one was 48! He was partying with his gf and a friend, said he did not feel well and went to lie down. Heart stopped. They tried to cover that up by saying he did not take his blood pressure medicine that day and that was the cause. They did that as they both had criminal records and did not want to go back to jail for drug possession, distribution, or possible manslaughter. Of course that did not happen, but they were paranoid about it.

 

[21merc7]

Bobbi Kristina
Family Wants Rehab ASAP

Whitney Houston's family wants Bobbi Kristina to enter a live-in rehab facility ASAP -- but sources tell TMZ, they're holding off on telling her until after Whitney's funeral today.




http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/18/bobbi-kristina-whitney-houston-rehab/#.Tz-P4s7RCwg



Okay, well, if Bobbi K is reading anything online via phone or computer, she knows now, it is not a secret if TMZ has it, lol!

 

[hollyblue]

Rest in Peace Whitney. You had your trials and now can now be at peace, but will always be remembered for the sweet, clear and powerful voice you left behind.

 

[21merc7]

TMZ is already live, showing people/cars outside and going in. Standard large black SUV's. Police escort for stars.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/18/whitney-houston-funeral-livestream/#.Tz-_os7RCwg

 

[21merc7]

From the funeral program:

Program here:

http://freddyo.com/whitney-houstons-funeral-program/celebrity-events/

 

[kato]

I loved her last hit, "I Look To You". It's like she was singing directly to God and the heavens above.

FYI: I didn't know that R. Kelly wrote the song specificaly with WH in mind. But when he 1st went to her she said she wasn't ready to record it at that time. There is a video of him singing some of it & talking about it. I'm not a huge fan of his but he does have some beautiful songs.

 

[jamiect]

CNN also streaming live. Very up close shots of guests arriving.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/tab/live#/video/cvplive/cvpstream3

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I think it was actually wigs that she said that she bought, and SHE SAID THAT SOME TIME BACK, BEFORE WHITNEY DIED. She certainly didn't say it after Whitney died and she in no way equated Whitney's life with a bunch of wigs - or shoes! It was Dolly making fun of herself, and it was BEFORE Whitney died that she said that.

Thank you for recalling the time and context during which Dolly Parton made the humorous remark.

I heard the original interview that DP did with Anderson Cooper a few years ago when it was replayed last Tuesday. I laughed because Dolly's remark about the "cheap wigs" was funny, and she poked fun at herself, not Whitney. I have never heard Dolly Parton say anything disparaging about another human being, and I don't believe that she ever would. Parton is an enormously gifted and talented woman who has always remembered that these blessings were from G-d, and she has, in turn, given much to humankind.

Here's the original quote from the Anderson Cooper interview:
During an interview on CNN with Anderson Cooper last month, the Steel Magnolias actress revealed: 'When Whitney did it, I got all the money for the publishing and for the writing, and I bought a lot of cheap wigs.'

 

[daisy.faithfull]

CNN and HLN's coverage is just breaking my heart.

Don Lemon spoke with Whitney's school principal, he's been at the school for forty years. She was loved by so many. This is such a tragedy.

Don Lemon reminds me so much of a guy I had a crush on in high school. Athletic, smart, good looking, strong family, and despite all that he unfortunately was very shy because I found of he was interested in me so many years later, blush. Anyway, somehow he got involved in drugs and this last time I saw him it just broke my heart into about a million pieces. Drugs are evil.

Aretha won't be singing, she's sick.

ETA: Just wanted to clarify that CNN and HLN are running different commentaries. I'm trying to flip back and forth. CNN is on the street in front of the church speaking with celebs and public figures, while HLN so far seems to be in studio.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

CNN is showing a clip of a recent interview that Whitney did with Oprah talking about Michael Jackson's death. Whitney became very choked up, especially when Oprah asked her if MJ was a mirror for her.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Thank you for recalling the time and context during which Dolly Parton made the humorous remark.

I heard the original interview that DP did with Anderson Cooper a few years ago when it was replayed last Tuesday. I laughed because Dolly's remark about the "cheap wigs" was funny, and she poked fun at herself, not Whitney. I have never heard Dolly Parton say anything disparaging about another human being, and I don't believe that she ever would. Parton is an enormously gifted and talented woman who has always remembered that these blessings were from G-d, and she has, in turn, given much to humankind.

Here's the original quote from the Anderson Cooper interview:
During an interview on CNN with Anderson Cooper last month, the Steel Magnolias actress revealed: 'When Whitney did it, I got all the money for the publishing and for the writing, and I bought a lot of cheap wigs.'

Well that sounds like Dolly, she's so adorable! Dolly and Whitney are two amazing artists, each in their own way. For me, Dolly brought out the heart of the song, Whitney's version really brought out its soul. I adore covers when they are done well!

 

[minazoe]

watching the footage,,,there isn't a soul in the streets...weird.

 

[21merc7]

watching the footage,,,there isn't a soul in the streets...weird.

They blocked off 6 or 7 blocks in each direction and asked residents to stay at home and watch on t.v. or online. I'm guessing b/c the stars need protection and all the cars need to get through. Also, the family doesn't need out of control star fans or haters adding to their own difficult time.

 

[21merc7]

Thank you daisy.faithfull for the t.v. updates. I don't have cable so I only have a silent screen with the camera outside right now.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

watching the footage,,,there isn't a soul in the streets...weird.

Earlier they mentioned that they are encouraging people to watch at home and I think they have the streets closed off somewhat. I had expected more people to be there too.

WOW! Don Lemon is just now talking with a man who came from The British Virgin Islands!

 

[Straitfan]

Is there a link for inside the church with sound? TIA

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Thank you daisy.faithfull for the t.v. updates. I don't have cable so I only have a silent screen with the camera outside right now.

Soledad and Pierce spoke with Jesse Jackson and another man who's name I don't know and they spoke of how interest in Whitney's and Michael's music diminished with the scandal, and how tragic it is that their death brings the focus back on their incredible talent and the gifts they have given us. That now is a time for hope and healing.

I've heard Layne Staley's mother say that when her son, a heroine addict died, the hope that he would turn his life around died with him.

With Whitney I think Jesse is speaking about a different hope. I've been reading the comments from fans at Whitney's official site and it is so incredibly moving to read how she has touched their lives. Especially those who were inspired by her, its heartbreaking but it really brings home how her legacy will never die.