Who Had Motive, Method & Opportunity?!

[K_Z]

As far as Dina (and Nina and Adam) defending themselves against the allegations of wrongful death and killing Rebecca, it doesn't really matter (IMO) whether the Shacknai teens were present when Max fell, or not-- although everyone interested in the case would like to have this cleared up once and for all. This isn't a wrongful death lawsuit about Max's death, no matter how much Dina and her supporters would like to make it into that. It's also not a referendum on Rebecca's first marriage, a car honking citation, or a remote shoplifting charge, or on how she wore her makeup, or how she was an athlete, or that Dina didn't like that she made healthy meals for Max instead of giving him junk food when he asked for it.

I think the "revenge" motive for Dina can be substantiated quite well even without any allegations about how Dina thinks Max died. He did die, after a terrible fall, and Rebecca was there in the home when it happened. Rebecca and XZ clearly tried desperately to save him, despite the despicable ways Dina has tried to blame and smear their efforts. I think it's going to be easy-- very, very, easy, to establish that Dina has had a vindictive vendetta against Rebecca for quite some time. It was more than enough motive, IMO, for Dina's rage, that Rebecca was simply in the house with Max when he fell.

The defendants have to *defend themselves* against allegations that they killed her.

There was a WDS Dina filed against Jonah for Max's wrongful death. That's properly where all the questions about Max's death should have been worked out. But that case was abruptly dismissed, WITH PREJUDICE, after Dina had been officially chastised and fined by the judge for misconduct a number of times. So from where I'm sitting, Dina had her chance to have all the questions about Max's death fully answered. She herself REFUSED to cooperate with the case SHE filed. So no pity from me about that. I absolutely do believe Max's death was a very tragic accident, whether or not the Shacknai teens were present when he fell.

Now we are moving forward with Rebecca's case. And Rebecca had *no* history of drug abuse, *no* history of alcohol abuse, and *no* history of ANY violent behavior or issues. The same CANNOT be said about Dina. Dina DOES have a documented history of many police calls for violent behavior, as well as allegations (by Jonah, years before Max and Rebecca died) that Dina's violence escalated after she took pills and drank alcohol. That is hugely significant, IMO.

 

[screecher]

^ Only Rebecca and her sister were there when Max was injured. That is what Rebecca told the EMTs and CPO and that is what is in the report. One of the Zahaus former lawyers, Maritn Rudoy, has even confirmed that on Tricia's True Crrime Radio. The story you have imagined is very dramatic, but it is very far from the truth and no one was there but XZ and RZ.

Rebecca and X did not see Max get 'injured'. Neither witnessed it.

So when you say "Only Rebecca and her sister were there when Max was injured. " is false.

 

[screecher]

Yes, K_Z. Agree.

Also, Dina Romano's behavior in regards to Rebecca and her family way before and way after Rebecca's horrific and sadistic murder tells all.

Dina Romano is her own worse enemy.

 

[K_Z]

You know what else strikes me as odd?

Dina has never one single time, made any kind of statement thru her attorney disavowing the hateful language and efforts of her "supporters" regarding Rebecca. She has been content to let these supporters WORSEN her reputation of vindictiveness toward Rebecca! That is enormous, IMO.

Worse yet, she even used an anonymous hate site, and a tabloid magazine, as some kind of valid resource or evidence, and officially provided this hate site to the medical examiner she hired, who ridiculously used it in her official report! I still can't believe an educated medical professional had the stupidity to do that, without making some clear statements that she disavowed that kind of source. It's preposterous!

If Dina had kept out of the news from the beginning, and refrained from trashing Rebecca and a minor so publicly, making outrageous allegations about them on the interview circuit, exaggerating and lying about her "established professional practice", refrained from starting a nonprofit based on fraud and lies, and pretending like she had the ear of a sitting AZ Senator to railroad some kind of fraudulently based idea for a "bill", she would be in a far better position going into this case. Dina is her own worst enemy. She lies, and lies, and lies some more. I've lost track of how many lies and exaggerations she has told publicly. Heck-- she has even had several episodes of false representation and exaggerations with the AZ psych board when she was still trying to get licensed. That's real chutzpah-- thinking your'e going to pull one over on a licensing board.

Dina has finally been off the interview circuit, and very quiet publicly for months now. Finally, I think she might be actually listening to the advice of her attorneys. But IMO, it's far too late. Dina herself, IMO, has done the most damage to her reputation by her own actions, and now has to try to overcome that in a short time as this moves to trial. She had motive, definitely-- which she reinforced over and over for years AFTER Rebecca's death. And it sure appears that she had method, help, and opportunity, too, IMO.

 

[*Lash*]

In Sept 2012, even Dina didn't know who was at the mansion when Max's accident occurred. Below is a video of Dina after she addressed the Coronado City Council. In the interview Dina says:

"as far as we know there were 2 people the Coronado PD say that were there, but how do we know that, how do we know there's not another person and how do we know that persons not out and about."

Remember this is AFTER Dina's own private investigation was complete. Even THEN Dina herself did not have the answer to who was there at the time of Max's accident. She says "how do we know that, how do we know there's not another person"...Even Dina didn't have the answers or evidence supporting the whereabouts of Jonah or the older Shacknai children. This is one of many reasons I am not convinced we know the whole truth of what happened that terrible morning. I don't believe anything nefarious actually happened to cause Max's death, but I question for liability reasons was there a coverup to protect others from Dina.

At about 4:15-

[video=youtube;139DK-MsmBM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=139DK-MsmBM[/video]

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Not only if there no evidence to confirm Max's older half siblings flew out early that morning, it is my understanding there IS evidence they didn't fly out until early after noon.

So there you go.

Then why would the Zahaus own Attorney say only Max and Rebecca and XZ were there? Funny that you don't even believe the Zahaus and their Attorney. :thinking:

 

[LuckyLucy2]

XZ is a kid, I'm thinking she is very much supported by her loved ones AND is following advise from others.

XZ is not on trial here.

Dina Romano, Nina Romano and Adam Shacknai are..

GS and ES, who are wonderful humans by all accounts, are not on trial either.
XZ is not on trial, but she sure is studying that 911 call she made, isn't she?

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Rebecca and X did not see Max get 'injured'. Neither witnessed it.

So when you say "Only Rebecca and her sister were there when Max was injured. " is false.

Rebecca herself told CPO and the EMTs that only she and XZ were there. Are you calling Rebecca a liar? A liar that would lie about a young boy's accident?

 

[justice be served]

Rebecca herself told CPO and the EMTs that only she and XZ were there. Are you calling Rebecca a liar? A liar that would lie about a young boy's accident?

Again, both Rebecca and her sister were in the bathroom. They didn't see it happen and there were kids in and out all summer - probably including that day. They didn't see it and so didn't know exactly who was around at that moment in time. Heck, Jonah could have been there too. No one has claimed that her sister lied - I suspect she just didn't know. I do think, yes, that Rebecca lied as asked to by Jonah. That's what got her killed in part IMO.

 

[screecher]

Rebecca herself told CPO and the EMTs that only she and XZ were there. Are you calling Rebecca a liar? A liar that would lie about a young boy's accident?

You know very well I'm not calling Rebecca a liar. Don't go there with me. It is very well noted in these threads Rebecca nor X witnessed the young boy's accident.

And we all know here who really is the liar, don't we lulu?

 

[kittychi]

Rebecca and X did not see Max get 'injured'. Neither witnessed it.

So when you say "Only Rebecca and her sister were there when Max was injured. " is false.

Many of us suspect that Rebecca's statement to the EMT's and CPO was merely what Jonah told her to say and what the story would be. Of course if the Shacknai kids were there at the time, he wanted to protect them, so part of the story that has been officially "leaked" is that the kids left earlier in the morning, though that has never been established or proven. Too many lies and discrepancies to count in this entire story regarding both Max and Rebecca's death.

Jonah has always known all of the truths, in my opinion, and should absolutely testify, however I do not believe he would tell the truth after all he has done to protect, mainly, his own arse from negative publicity. He is probably quite skilled at evading and would skillfully offer nothing at the trial if he were to testify. JMO

 

[screecher]

I don't think Jonah would have a problem testifying to Dina Romano's drinking, drugging and raging. Bwawaha.

 

[Frigga]

That video was absolutely heartbreaking. A parent should never have to bury their child, Max's young age even more so.
The irony is unbelievable in that almost every single allegation Dina makes about Max's investigation can be said about Rebecca's. The plaintiffs could play that entire video in court showing almost verbatim the shoddy, rushed, incomplete and even manipulated investigation. You couldn't make this up- no one would believe it.

If Jonah was home, along with his older children from his first wife a WDS could have been filed against Jonah and probably won- is that right? If it were just Jonah's older children and not Jonah could he still have been sued? Could Dina sue them? Was this about protecting Medicis or his personal fortune- if in fact Jonah or his older children were there?

I just have to say that Rebecca's mother had to bury her child too- no one wins- not even Jonah- for the fact that he lost Max too, but he also didn't lose a huge business deal or a fortune which I think would have been very motivating for him.

Today I am going to pray for Dina- for the first time ever- for the loss of her son.

I do not believe Max was murdered but I can feel the pain in her experience. Rebecca's family deserves justice. The common denominator here seems to be Jonah- when all is said and done- I don't think he's a very good person.

Fly high and free Max, and may Rebecca find peace as well. Justice will hopefully bring that- how sad that Dina took her revenge out on Rebecca when it was Jonah who deserved her wrath- not death- but he is the financier and puppet master in all of this- it appears... to me.
Karma will no doubt get him sooner or later. Poor Rebecca.

 

[Imp]

Sometimes when I'm reading or watching something, I get "gut feelings." This is pure gut instinct talking here, and I'm probably going over old ground for many of you, so take it for what it's worth.

Just watched the first minute of the video posted by *Lash* upthread, and in it Dina says, "Given the fracture on the top of his head, he was sent down like a torpedo," and she makes a downward motion with her hand. Before that, she says "I believe that he was assaulted, probably more than once."

I immediately thought of the 4 subgaleal hemorrhages under RZ's scalp. Cyril Wecht: "I see no reason why she should have those. You get those when your head strikes something or is struck by something." Either scenario could be the result of an assault.

I also immediately thought of the lack of evidence that RZ climbed up and over the balcony (not to mention the improbability that anyone her size could do that with hands and feet tied), and that she might very well have been torpedoed over it instead.

And finally, that first minute of the video caused me to recall the message on the door, which presumably read: "She saved him. Can he save her". I still don't know what it means, I just know it popped into my head again while watching and listening to Dina.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

^ BIG difference in Max and Rebecca's head injuries. Rebecca's were only small bruises, that the ME said would not have even given her a headache, much less knock her out.

Max's injuries sent him to the ICU, where he died from his injuries a few days later.

 

[justice be served]

Sometimes when I'm reading or watching something, I get "gut feelings." This is pure gut instinct talking here, and I'm probably going over old ground for many of you, so take it for what it's worth.

Just watched the first minute of the video posted by *Lash* upthread, and in it Dina says, "Given the fracture on the top of his head, he was sent down like a torpedo," and she makes a downward motion with her hand. Before that, she says "I believe that he was assaulted, probably more than once."

I immediately thought of the 4 subgaleal hemorrhages under RZ's scalp. Cyril Wecht: "I see no reason why she should have those. You get those when your head strikes something or is struck by something." Either scenario could be the result of an assault.

I also immediately thought of the lack of evidence that RZ climbed up and over the balcony (not to mention the improbability that anyone her size could do that with hands and feet tied), and that she might very well have been torpedoed over it instead.

And finally, that first minute of the video caused me to recall the message on the door, which presumably read: "She saved him. Can he save her". I still don't know what it means, I just know it popped into my head again while watching and listening to Dina.

I would agree with you to trust your gut - just what I believe the jury will do. Any thinking, breathing soul will agree that Dina had it in for Rebecca. Only takes 9 of 12 jurors or 75%. I have estimated that this forum is running about 95% to convict.

 

[justice be served]

^ BIG difference in Max and Rebecca's head injuries. Rebecca's were only small bruises, that the ME said would not have even given her a headache, much less knock her out.

Max's injuries sent him to the ICU, where he died from his injuries a few days later.

I must have missed something - why are you comparing them?

 

[Jessica2012]

Again, both Rebecca and her sister were in the bathroom. They didn't see it happen and there were kids in and out all summer - probably including that day. They didn't see it and so didn't know exactly who was around at that moment in time. Heck, Jonah could have been there too. No one has claimed that her sister lied - I suspect she just didn't know. I do think, yes, that Rebecca lied as asked to by Jonah. That's what got her killed in part IMO.

Justice be served, I do sort of agree with you, and it is definitely something I have thought about over the years. I never have believed the way that what happened to Maxie was explained. I just don't think it's possible to have happened the way it was told but that's my opinion. And I do think there is a possibility it was because JS asked Rebecca to lie. Also during Dina's press conference when she said how do we know only two people were present just because SDSO say so (paraphrasing), my gut feeling was that she was referring to JS at that point of time (not saying she was correct). The reason why I sometimes think this is, he is the only one who has somehow kept his hands clean of everything. No one is stepping up to him though Maxie was in his care that day, and Maxie is his responsibility. It happened in his house. His girlfriend passed away a horrible death but yet he remains silent and is not even suspected of any involvement at all but everyone else is. I do think Nina is indirectly stating this in her documentation. I know it sounds crazy. I have always believed that silent waters run deep-he is the only one remaining silent. I just don't get it. I don't believe the Shacknai children were there that day. But it just doesnt sit right with me the way things went down after Rebecca and Maxie died. All my opinion

 

[justice be served]

^ BIG difference in Max and Rebecca's head injuries. Rebecca's were only small bruises, that the ME said would not have even given her a headache, much less knock her out.

Max's injuries sent him to the ICU, where he died from his injuries a few days later.

Do you have a link for that on Rebecca's head injuries? I don't recall that at all. If you don't that's okay as the volume of these threads have gotten rather unwieldly.

 

[Imp]

I must have missed something - why are you comparing them?

Interesting ... my gut just started talking to me again!