Who would "stash" Kyron for Terri...

[sherbetjello]

"And I think she's still executing a plan" -Kaine Horman


Anyone care to take a stab at what "the plan" might be and it's purpose?

Could it be the same "plan" the 350K came from? I don't want to think like this, makes me feel very gross, but in this world it's a possibility... unfortunately.

 

[Wondergirl]

Desperate to see her 7-year-old son again, Kyron Horman's mother has lashed out at the boy's stepmother, saying she believes Terri Horman has "stashed" the missing boy somewhere.

Reward money for information leading to missing 7-year-old is doubled.

Desiree Young told People magazine Tuesday that, despite repeated pleas for Terri Horman to cooperate with police, she's depending on the investigation to bring her son home.

"I believe that he's stashed," she said.

Her statement came the same day that she made an emotion public appearance alongside the investigators who have been searching for the second-grader for nearly two months.

Investigators have subpoenaed and are searching numerous computers and hard drives, but no one has been charged in the case.

Bruce McCain, a retired captain with the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, accused authorities of using Kyron's family as "stage props."

"They're using Kaine Horman as their de-facto public information officer and he's got enough on his plate," he said.

But, he added, this could be yet another sign that the case is inching toward an arrest.

"A lot of people are saying is an arrest imminent. I would use the word imminent," McCain said. "I think we will see indictments out of this process inevitably."

DeDe Spicher, 43, had no comment outside the courthouse Monday. She has not been charged with a crime. Her attorney, Chad Stavely, told ABC's Portland Affiliate KATU that Spicher was asked no questions but told to return, possibly within a few weeks.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyrons-mo...d-missing-oregon-boy/story?id=11266651&page=2

 

[Wondergirl]

Here is one possible explanation for what seemed to me, to be an abrupt change of plans for the presser yesterday.

The People article came out at 4pm EST. Maybe LE was upset about Desiree giving an interview on the "stash" thing, and that explains why she was upset, and why LE changed the direction of the presser at the last minute??????

 

[KeyboardCat]

She has to believe that.

This.

 

[matou]

Here is one possible explanation for what seemed to me, to be an abrupt change of plans for the presser yesterday.

The People article came out at 4pm EST. Maybe LE was upset about Desiree giving an interview on the "stash" thing, and that explains why she was upset, and why LE changed the direction of the presser at the last minute??????

This is what I'm thinking as well.

 

[matou]

I'm thinking that Desiree let something slip that she was not supposed to let out there and LE was angry. She was trembling and very upset. It could be this topic of being stashed somewhere or something else. JMO

 

[nosysw]

okay, maybe it's me but i don't see the logic in her stashing him somewhere and then needing $350,000 to defend herself...what could the plan be?...if she did have a plan, thinking she would not be implicated, but then discovered she was, wouldn't she have long ago found a way to make him "turn up" on ther chance she could get out of it...i don't think she could possibly get out of it now so why would she keep "the plan" going? i am really missing something here...

 

[joshiesmom]

Kyron Horman has not been seen for almost two months, but the boy's mother, Desiree Young, is convinced her son is still alive.

"I believe that he’s stashed," Young told PEOPLE on Tuesday. "I believe it's the investigation that's going to lead us."

Young says Terri has "the big answer."

"I think it's premeditated," adds Kaine. "We have no information that would lead us to believe that, but I think based on what Desiree and I know about [Terri], I think it's a plan. And I think she's still executing a plan."


http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20405659,00.html

BBM. I think THAT is the sentence that needs to be highlighted. They have no information that would lead them to believe Kyron is stashed somewhere or that it's premeditated.

MOO is that they've come up with a scenario that allows Kyron to still be alive & they're holding onto that because emotionally, they have to, and they are digging through things Terri has said or done in the past to solidify their hope. It is not a position grounded in fact, unfortunately.

 

[cluciano63]

Desiree has said all along that she thinks Kyron is alive; LE is not going to take this little bit of hope away from her until they have no choice or until it suits the prosecution to begin referring to Kyron as deceased so as to go ahead with murder charges.

In the case of Carrie Culbertson in Ohio some years back, LE had to work very hard to get her mother to finally agree to testify that she felt her daughter was dead in order to charge murder without her body; she was hanging onto a thread of hope as well. LE did get a conviction and Carrie has still never been found.

 

[SleuthyMama]

I'm thinking that Desiree let something slip that she was not supposed to let out there and LE was angry. She was trembling and very upset. It could be this topic of being stashed somewhere or something else. JMO

I suppose that's possible but I would hope/think that much of what she is going to say she may run across Tony first? And him being LE would tell her what's should be okay and what is a definite no-no.

 

[Michael25]

1) She's a mom with a missing child.

2) She hasn't had the most traditional or desired relationship with K, and I have no doubt that adds to the guilt, hurt and anger she's feeling right now.

I wouldn't expect her to say anything less. Can anyone here imagine a parent saying otherwise about their missing child?

 

[WhyaDuck?]

Kyron is seven, not an infant, and at some point in the past two months he would have likely seen his captor's face. Ergo, I don't believe TH or anyone else would have so much clout as to keep him from being killed (or abandoned some place) when there's so much pressure out there. As sad as it is, I don't believe Kyron to be alive.

I am not entirely convinced he left the school yard (or the school's vicinity) alive.

All very sad MOO.


ETA: All that being said, though I have seen parents of missing children who say they knew right away that their child was gone, I fully understand DY's need to believe she will see Kyron again soon. I'm not sure I would be able to continue on if I didn't tell myself that if I were, heaven forbid, in her shoes.

 

[eyes4crime]

Seems to me Desiree and Kaine are struggling to make sense of the unthinkable. They are sharing thoughts and scenarios regarding Kyron and are under no obligation to tell we, the people, the truth. They are going back in time and drawing upon situations that give their theory substance. If this is what gets them from day to day, so be it. moo

I may not like what they are doing and feel it's not in the best interest of finding Kyron, but that's my problem, not theirs. I'll take my problem over theirs any day. moo

 

[palladore]

I think we'd all like to believe that Kyron is stashed somewhere, and it's all a part of some sort of plan.
But.................what sort of plan could be carried out in which Terri emerges from it without being charged with kidnapping and extortion and criminally prosecuted?

If Kyron was found, alive and well, he would be able to tell authorities what happened to him and that would implicate Terri. This is far-fetched, but the only plan that could happen is if Terri had an accomplice who kidnapped Kyron and held him for ransom, later paying half the ransom money to Terri. But, there's been no ransom demands, so this far-fetched idea doesn't work either.

You summarize nicely the problem I've had from the beginning with the kidnapped/stashed theory. I can't come up with a plausible scenario in which both TH and the accomplice come out "clean." If TH walked out of Skyline with Kyron and handed him off to an accomplice, Kyron would be able to testify against her. I think the parents' faith that Kyron is still alive is based on the simple fact that LE has found neither Kyron's body or forensic evidence (such as bloody clothing items) that would suggest Kyron met a violent end.

 

[Kat]

She has to believe that.

This answer is one that resonates to me too.

Of course she does. To think that her beloved child is deceased is beyond comprehension IMHO. I've never stood in her shoes, and pray that I never have to either.

I saw a few sound clips of her talking last night when I watched NG.

This poor Mother is devastated. IMHO she has been brought spiritually and emotionally to her knees.

I hope she can hold onto this hope because IMHO she needs it to be able to go on every day. The day she is informed otherwise will slay her. Bless her heart. I said a prayer for her and Kaine last night when I laid down for sleep.

all JMHO.

 

[Leila]

If Terri had some sort of plan to have Kyron kidnapped and held by someone, to cause Kaine and Desiree pain and suffering, and possibly to extort money from them, I think she would have aborted that plan as soon as she became aware that she was being looked at as having something to do with his disappearance.

 

[Sherbie]

Okay, just working off what they said and not taking it for fact...

Could Terri's reluctance for Desiree to immediately hop in the car and start driving have been because whatever plan Terri had would somehow be wrapped up quickly with no need for Desiree to come at all?

Maybe the plot she (allegedly) hatched was to have been very short-term. If she knew Kyron would be reappearing soon, that might account for that hesitancy/surprise Desiree says Terri displayed upon learning DY was going to start on her way there immediately.

And then something went wrong and Kyron wasn't produced as planned? Just thinking out loud here. :waitasec: Are there any scenarios that might fit with that?

 

[debirlfan]

My suspicion is that TH passed the part of the LD asking "did you hurt Kyron" but not the part asking "did you take Kyron" - or something along those lines.

I still think that she took Kyron to separate him from his father. If you think about it, there would be two ways to accomplish that - remove Kaine (attempted MFH), or snatch the child. If she wanted to keep Kyron, she would have soon realized the former wouldn't work, because he would go back to Desiree.

While they may have enough to charge TH in Kyron's disappearance, unless there's physical evidence we don't know about, I don't think they have nearly enough for a conviction. If she is found not-guilty, then she'll get the baby back, at least part time. (Who knows - she could even have a dna test done and prove Kaine wasn't the baby's father - with all the twists in this case, it wouldn't shock me.) At any rate, once she has the baby - she could take off and go join her accomplice who is holding Kyron for her.

If Jaycee Dugard could disappear for all those years, then Kyron easily could - especially if he was taken out of the country.

I suspect the police are keeping a very close eye on TH to see if she might contact someone. That might be why they haven't locked her up - because they're hoping she'll lead them to Kyron.


You know, I wonder what TH bought while she was on those "errands" at the grocery stores? Hair dye would certainly be an interesting purchase. I also wonder if any of Kyron's clothes were missing from the house, but given how observant Kaine appears to be, I don't think he'd know.

 

[nosysw]

I don't mean to sound mean but the scenarios for her wanting to stash Kyron and then resume a life with him...I'm just not feeling it...Haven't felt evidence of their "bond"...JMOO, but if she did something with him, it wasn't so she could "start a new life" with him...Just can't wrap my head around that in any circumstance...Especially considering her own bio kids...all :cow:

 

[GrainneDhu]

Could it be the same "plan" the 350K came from? I don't want to think like this, makes me feel very gross, but in this world it's a possibility... unfortunately.

I honestly don't think there is a possibility that anyone sold Kyron for $350K.

With human trafficking, the shameful fact is that the flow is taking victims from impoverished areas and sending them towards the US and western Europe. Basically, human traffickers are motivated by money and the US/western Europe is where the money is available.

Human traffickers deal in large sums of money but not in acquiring their victims. I've never read of a case where a human trafficker invested more than $5000 to acquire a victim.

In none of the cases of victims who were found after a lengthy period of time did their captors act on behalf of anyone but themselves.