Why A Scarf?

[simplesimon]

BC
I remember reading somewhere that LE found that Patsy had made credit card purchases from a local store in Dec., I do not think they could find itemized bills,and
I think the purpose was to see if the cord was purchased then.Can you please fill in the reason and the result?
thanks,
SS

 

[capps]

BC
I remember reading somewhere that LE found that Patsy had made credit card purchases from a local store in Dec., I do not think they could find itemized bills,and
I think the purpose was to see if the cord was purchased then.Can you please fill in the reason and the result?
thanks,
SS

Simplesimon,

I'll take the liberty to answer your question,since I was the one to bring up credit cards.

What you are referring to, are the receipts from the hardware store near the Ramsey home, that were made by Patsy. Apparently they found a receipt with prices that could have matched the same amount for cord and duct tape.But since the receipt was not itemized,it could also have been the prices for a plethora of items,that were the same amount.So it was speculation only,that the items bought,MIGHT be for cord and duct tape.

 

[tipper]

Simplesimon,

I'll take the liberty to answer your question,since I was the one to bring up credit cards.

What you are referring to, are the receipts from the hardware store near the Ramsey home, that were made by Patsy. Apparently they found a receipt with prices that could have matched the same amount for cord and duct tape.But since the receipt was not itemized,it could also have been the prices for a plethora of items,that were the same amount.So it was speculation only,that the items bought,MIGHT be for cord and duct tape.

Wasn't there also something about the items being designated by department and the clerk would have had to miss-ring the dept as well? It's in ST's book.

 

[capps]

Wasn't there also something about the items being designated by department and the clerk would have had to miss-ring the dept as well? It's in ST's book.

Tipper,

Yes ... I do remember reading that in DOI.Unfortunately,I returned the book to the library,and can't look it up.

Speaking of DOI ... I do not think the Ramsey's murdered JonBenet,and can sympathize with the stress they had with the media. But with that being said,I have to admit,after awhile,I thought the Ramsey's sounded whiny going on and on about the media ... does anyone else agree?

 

[BlueCrab]

Wasn't there also something about the items being designated by department and the clerk would have had to miss-ring the dept as well? It's in ST's book.

tipper,

The so-called purchase of the cord and duct tape by Patsy was apparently just another Steve Thomas trick to try to falsely charge Patsy with purchasing the murder items.

Patsy had charged some items at the huge McGuckin's Hardware store in downtown Boulder. The cops claimed the prices of the Stansport brand white nylon cord, sold in the camping aisle, and the Shurtape brand black duct tape, sold in the painting department, matched the prices showing on the receipts that Patsy had charged at McGuckin's. But they didn't. The cord, for instance, actually sold in packages for $1.99 for 50' and $2.99 for 100', not $2.29 as stated on Patsy's credit card receipt and as stated by the police.

BlueCrab

 

[Toltec]

tipper,

The so-called purchase of the cord and duct tape by Patsy was apparently just another Steve Thomas trick to try to falsely charge Patsy with purchasing the murder items.

Patsy had charged some items at the huge McGuckin's Hardware store in downtown Boulder. The cops claimed the prices of the Stansport brand white nylon cord, sold in the camping aisle, and the Shurtape brand black duct tape, sold in the painting department, matched the prices showing on the receipts that Patsy had charged at McGuckin's. But they didn't. The cord, for instance, actually sold in packages for $1.99 for 50' and $2.99 for 100', not $2.29 as stated on Patsy's credit card receipt and as stated by the police.

BlueCrab

With the purchases made around December I would think that the detectives would ask Patsy what she bought that day.

Another missed opportunity!

 

[Zman]

tipper,

The so-called purchase of the cord and duct tape by Patsy was apparently just another Steve Thomas trick to try to falsely charge Patsy with purchasing the murder items.

Patsy had charged some items at the huge McGuckin's Hardware store in downtown Boulder. The cops claimed the prices of the Stansport brand white nylon cord, sold in the camping aisle, and the Shurtape brand black duct tape, sold in the painting department, matched the prices showing on the receipts that Patsy had charged at McGuckin's. But they didn't. The cord, for instance, actually sold in packages for $1.99 for 50' and $2.99 for 100', not $2.29 as stated on Patsy's credit card receipt and as stated by the police.

BlueCrab

Your intriguing sometimes BC. You belive ST would "trick" suspects with false evidence yet you belive so strongly in the fake enhanced 911 tape.

 

[narlacat]

Your intriguing sometimes BC. You belive ST would "trick" suspects with false evidence yet you belive so strongly in the fake enhanced 911 tape.

I thought you said there was no enhanced 911 tape Zman? I see you've changed your mind to..there is a tape but it is fake.

 

[Zman]

I thought you said there was no enhanced 911 tape Zman? I see you've changed your mind to..there is a tape but it is fake.

Perhaps I am misunderstood. I am sure there is no enhanced 911 tape with B voice on it.

 

[BlueCrab]

Your intriguing sometimes BC. You belive ST would "trick" suspects with false evidence yet you belive so strongly in the fake enhanced 911 tape.

Zman,

There is no "fake" enhanced 911 tape in possession of LE. The final four seconds of the original 911 tape, enhanced for LE by Aerospace Corporation and containing Burke's voice, is in possession of LE. All other versions of the tape released to the public by Lin Wood and others, may or may not be altered or faked. It's irrelevant. LE has the original and the public has not heard it.

 

[tipper]

Zman,

There is no "fake" enhanced 911 tape in possession of LE. The final four seconds of the original 911 tape, enhanced for LE by Aerospace Corporation and containing Burke's voice, is in possession of LE. All other versions of the tape released to the public by Lin Wood and others, may or may not be altered or faked. It's irrelevant. LE has the original and the public has not heard it.

At least one who has listened to the "enhanced" tape wasn't convinced you could even be sure it was a voice. That suggests to me that whether or not one hears Burke may be in the ear of the listener.

 

[BlueCrab]

At least one who has listened to the "enhanced" tape wasn't convinced you could even be sure it was a voice. That suggests to me that whether or not one hears Burke may be in the ear of the listener.

tipper,

Who was that?

 

[tipper]

tipper,

Who was that?

Can't give you a name. It's in PMPT - the part about the big BPD presentation that Scheck and Lee attended.

 

[BlueCrab]

Can't give you a name. It's in PMPT - the part about the big BPD presentation that Scheck and Lee attended.

tipper,

It's on page 665 of PMPT pb:

"When the cops played the tape of Patsy's 911 call, Alex Hunter wrote on his legal pad, 'Doesn't sound as upset as I thought'. But others on his team had the opposite reaction. Then John and Patsy's statement that Burke had been asleep and knew nothing about the events of that morning was called into question when what sounded like Burke's voice could be heard on the tape -- if you could be sure it was a voice, said one listener."

From this it's hard to tell if the cops played the original tape at the meeting or the enhanced portion (the final four seconds), or both. It's clear from this snippet that most of the VIP's attending the meeting believed that Burke's voice could be heard. Only one "listener" was not sure.

BlueCrab

 

[azwriter]

It is not only true JonBenet was buried wearing her own pageant crown; she was also buried with a second crown, one she never won for herself but which belonged to Kristine Griffin, the daughter of Pam Griffin, JonBenet's pageant costume designer. The crown was a "bucket crown," the classic kingly type with metal arches and fabric inside the arches. So, basically, JonBenet was buried in a pageant gown and with two crowns, even though the pageants were the least important part of her life according to Patsy. At the very least, this set of facts proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Patsy lies. No normal parent buries their children in clothing and props the child had only minimal interest in. I dare say no other child in the history of America has ever been buried with two crowns in the coffin.

JonBenet might not have chosen the same dress and crowns as keepsakes but Patsy would. You're right in pointing out that Patsy claims the pageants were not a large part of her daughter's life. But certainly, from the choices for her burial, these events were important to Patsy.
A scarf is an unusual item to include in the casket of a 6-year-old. From what I've heard, this wasn't even JonBenet's scarf. It was purchased new by her dad.
My thought on this is that John, with the scarf, took an additional step to cover his daughter's neck which showed the signs of the crime committed against her. Was it guilt that drove him to that act?
JMO

 

[azwriter]

I don't believe there was anything sinister about the scarf. I was just curious,because there was no mention in DOI of what the scarf meant to John and why he felt the need to put it in with JonBenet.I thought maybe it was mentioned some where else,in an interview or some where, and I missed it.

Although not important ... there's a picture in DOI of Beth Ramsey holding a baby which is noted as Beth holding little JonBenet. No way is that infant JonBenet. JB was very fair skinned with light hair ... the baby Beth is holding is olive skinned with mounds of dark almost black hair.I wonder what baby she is holding?

Can you tell I'm into reading DOI?? ...lol.

Capps, I may be able to help in your idea the infant in the photo isn't JonBenet. Much to my surprise (I'm blonde and fair skinned) when my son was born he had lots of black straight hair and because of the circumstances surrounding his birth, he was olive skinned because of jundice. It happens to a lot of babies at birth. Something about the Belly Rubin (liver bile) reversinging into the infant's body during birth. It usually disappears in a week when the baby is placed under a special light for a period of time when it sleeps. When my son was born back in the sixties, this treatment was not available so it took him a month or so to get rid of the darker complexiction. I'm not a doctor, so my explaination might not be perfect of this condition.
Anyway, that black-haired, olive skinned baby of mine was blond and fair skinned by the time he was 4 months old.
Maybe this was the case with JonBenet's early photos.
JMO

 

[capps]

tipper,

It's on page 665 of PMPT pb:

"When the cops played the tape of Patsy's 911 call, Alex Hunter wrote on his legal pad, 'Doesn't sound as upset as I thought'. But others on his team had the opposite reaction. Then John and Patsy's statement that Burke had been asleep and knew nothing about the events of that morning was called into question when what sounded like Burke's voice could be heard on the tape -- if you could be sure it was a voice, said one listener."

From this it's hard to tell if the cops played the original tape at the meeting or the enhanced portion (the final four seconds), or both. It's clear from this snippet that most of the VIP's attending the meeting believed that Burke's voice could be heard. Only one "listener" was not sure.

BlueCrab

True the statement above doesn't specify if they are listening to the original 911 call,or the enhanced call.

Also ...concerning BR's voice on the tape: "said one listener" and "only one listener" is not the same.The first may suggests that one listener,among the rest, was asked his opinion, the other may suggests that the listener was the only one with that opinion. There's a difference.

I believe that whole statement in PMPT is too vague,to make any comment on.

 

[capps]

Capps, I may be able to help in your idea the infant in the photo isn't JonBenet. Much to my surprise (I'm blonde and fair skinned) when my son was born he had lots of black straight hair and because of the circumstances surrounding his birth, he was olive skinned because of jundice. It happens to a lot of babies at birth. Something about the Belly Rubin (liver bile) reversinging into the infant's body during birth. It usually disappears in a week when the baby is placed under a special light for a period of time when it sleeps. When my son was born back in the sixties, this treatment was not available so it took him a month or so to get rid of the darker complexiction. I'm not a doctor, so my explaination might not be perfect of this condition.
Anyway, that black-haired, olive skinned baby of mine was blond and fair skinned by the time he was 4 months old.
Maybe this was the case with JonBenet's early photos.
JMO

azwriter,

Thanks for your information,and I know exactly what you mean about some babies,looking completely different than you expect when they are born!

I took this in consideration when I was questioning the baby Beth Ramsey was holding. But just above the picture of Beth,is Patsy in the hospital holding a brand new little JonBenet ... with light skin and not a mound of hair.In fact, that is why it caught my attention,because the babies were so completely different.

 

[azwriter]

azwriter,

Thanks for your information,and I know exactly what you mean about some babies,looking completely different than you expect when they are born!

I took this in consideration when I was questioning the baby Beth Ramsey was holding. But just above the picture of Beth,is Patsy in the hospital holding a brand new little JonBenet ... with light skin and not a mound of hair.In fact, that is why it caught my attention,because the babies were so completely different.

Ohh. Maybe I better dig out my coy of DOI and reveiw. It's been so long.
Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Becba]

In the NE book, Patsy is interviewed and it omes out that most of the men at the party were given scarves.

Now for the coo coo theory. Could it be the men given scarves at the party were onto a sex "club" that enjoyed erotic asphysia? And burying JonBenet with one was because she was used in that club?