Why isn't little RJ in his mothers custody?

[elle1919]

Elle, I don't think Crystal considers Ron a good father, but if you will go back sooo far it says that her family, I think it was her father, did accuse Ron of abuse. I think Crystal understood it did no good to fight Ron, she could not win. And its a modern day tragedy that someone like Ron could take those children from a loving mother. I'm not saying she has done everything right.
But, she is their mother and she displays unconditional love for those children.
It was a no win situation for her. And one other thing, if Ron was a good father he would right now , this minute take Jr. to his mother meaning he would have compassion and caring for his child instead of always focusing on himself. JMO

I disagree. I absolutely do not think that Crystal thinks Ronald is a bad father. While she has indeed been forthcoming in regards to her history with him I have not personally heard her conclude that Ronald would ever harm the children. Why would Crystal go so far as to say that Ronald was physically abusive to her and then neglect to point out that she ever witnessed him harm Haleigh or RJ? Why would she consistently assert the fact that Mommy and Daddy loves you, Mommy and Daddy need her? She said both of those things. Even when the photo's that KP so conveniently had in the 8 by 10 versions of Haleigh, Crystal still never said she felt RC abused Haleigh. She stated that others had told her he may have hit Haleigh.

I have already commented on my feelings as to whether or not Crystal felt she was in a no win situation. There is no such thing as a no win situation in my opinion. I do not see Crystal as weak and helpless. I see her as a woman that for whatever reason did not want to be in her situation any longer and followed through with steps to make changes in her life. I do not believe that Crystal thinks that if she petitions the court for custody she will lose, so why bother. Never has she said that. Despite the fact that she had a lawyer that was more than willing to produce the alleged abuse photo's in the beginning stages of a missing child investigation. Whether or not there was abuse or not, we know now that DCF found Ronald guilty of nothing, but whether or not KP seriously thought there was abuse or not she brought out such a negative dramatic thing front and center in this investigation when what should have been front and center is the fact that a 5 year old child was gone! Her actions in my opinion facilitated a series of events in occurring. I am of the opinion that by creating so much drama it took attention of Haleigh and pointed instead to the dysfunction that existed in these parents lives.

In missing children cases it is so so important for the public to be supportive of the families and their efforts to locate them. KP's actions succeeded in shining a negative light on everyone in this case BUT Haleigh.

 

[debs]

I disagree. I absolutely do not think that Crystal thinks Ronald is a bad father. While she has indeed been forthcoming in regards to her history with him I have not personally heard her conclude that Ronald would ever harm the children. Why would Crystal go so far as to say that Ronald was physically abusive to her and then neglect to point out that she ever witnessed him harm Haleigh or RJ? Why would she consistently assert the fact that Mommy and Daddy loves you, Mommy and Daddy need her? She said both of those things. Even when the photo's that KP so conveniently had in the 8 by 10 versions of Haleigh, Crystal still never said she felt RC abused Haleigh. She stated that others had told her he may have hit Haleigh.

I have already commented on my feelings as to whether or not Crystal felt she was in a no win situation. There is no such thing as a no win situation in my opinion. I do not see Crystal as weak and helpless. I see her as a woman that for whatever reason did not want to be in her situation any longer and followed through with steps to make changes in her life. I do not believe that Crystal thinks that if she petitions the court for custody she will lose, so why bother. Never has she said that. Despite the fact that she had a lawyer that was more than willing to produce the alleged abuse photo's in the beginning stages of a missing child investigation. Whether or not there was abuse or not, we know now that DCF found Ronald guilty of nothing, but whether or not KP seriously thought there was abuse or not she brought out such a negative dramatic thing front and center in this investigation when what should have been front and center is the fact that a 5 year old child was gone! Her actions in my opinion facilitated a series of events in occurring. I am of the opinion that by creating so much drama it took attention of Haleigh and pointed instead to the dysfunction that existed in these parents lives.

In missing children cases it is so so important for the public to be supportive of the families and their efforts to locate them. KP's actions succeeded in shining a negative light on everyone in this case BUT Haleigh.

If the dysfunction existed in the parents' lives, the children lived in that dysfunction and it needs to be examined.

 

[elle1919]

IN reference to post #102...What makes anyone come to the conclusion that Crystal left Ron with the children and put her life before theirs?

There are records to prove that is not the case. The truth is in the reading of the records. Furthermore, CS filed domestic violence on RC. He threatened her (sound familiar?) with never seeing her children again if she didn't drop the injunction.

For readers review, People have stated that RC does/did approach them regarding child custody and has asked them to intercede for him. RC also ask TM to intercede about the fight with TC too. RC is not above that. I see a pattern. There is paperwork to substantiate he intimidates people and the Police know they have to proceed with caution aroundI him because he is known to always have a gun. It is not a stretch to see that some, including CS fears him....IMO.

IN observing CS, she appears to be very loving and she also appears to not have a mean bone in her body. I hope that changes soon.

RJ should be removed from that home in Welatka. It does not seem to be a healthy place to live..imo

Well if she reads here she might be able to pick up a few pointers that is for sure. I don't post my opinion to gain your approval. Or, for that matter, anyone else's approval. I also do not post to try to convince others that I am right. There is no "right" in my opinion because while many members claim to have this case all figured out and perceive their opinions to be the way things "really are". That is just not the case. Haleigh is still missing and Law Enforcement is still trying to find out the truth in what happened to her. I can't understand how if the police and the FBI and any other agencies that are working together to try and find Haleigh haven't connected all the dots the way most here have. As a point of fact they have no suspicion of the one person that most here wish to see in handcuffs.

Until the point in time where they charge and convict Ronald OR Crystal, I will continue to try and be a support here on these boards for the both of them.

 

[elle1919]

If the dysfunction existed in the parents' lives, the children lived in that dysfunction and it needs to be examined.

I absolutely agree

 

[kiki the parrot]

The elephant in the room--ie, the question we overlook when we insist only empathy and no scrutiny or criticism should ever be leveled upon the parent of any missing child--is the cause of the first child going mysteriously 'missing.' Were LE approaching this as a stranger abduction, had the negative and dramatic risk factors never emerged during the investigation, I am certain RC would be availing himself of nothing but the public's, and fellow poster's, sympathy and support.

However, there have been glaring errors of judgment uncovered leading up to, and inexplicable allegiances following... foremost among them RC and his family's continued embracing and encircling of the one person whose stories LE has maintained are totally UNbelievable.

Even as the parent of a missing child, Crystal still had--and has now, more than ever--the safety and wellbeing of more than one child to consider. There may not have been much more she could do to assist in protecting Haleigh once gone from under her father and Misty's watch, but what she could do is reevaluate and reconsider the best situation for her other child. For as long as the case remained unsolved, I would be frantic w concern for any other children remaining under the same circumstances. And if the other parent or appointed caregiver in whose care a child had already gone missing or was last seen did not share those concerns or voluntarily seek or permit removing the remaining children, I certainly hope I would not be faulted for taking steps to improve their safety and security. Because the cause of the first child's disappearance (or possible demise) is as yet undetermined. CS has been blasted time and again for not doing enough--in the harsh judgment of others--to take steps when there were only warning signs and less reason for concern or alarm... and is faulted just as unmercifully when she responds or tries to intervene on Junior's behalf.

It is a mature unselfish love for Haleigh that is demonstrated when Crystal graciously assures her daughter Mommy 'AND Daddy love you,' by considering what would be most comforting to a CHILD. She was not before the courts for heaven's sake, but grasping some small shred of hope that she might comfort an alive listening Haleigh.

I am not going to insult my fellow posters, I think I speak for 'most' of us when I say the one person 'most' would like to see in bracelets is the one responsible.

 

[debs]

psssssssssss, Kiki........do you mean "totally UNbelievable"?

 

[Flossie JMO]

I'm glad Junior is with his Daddy, I think it would be cruel to separate them

 

[debs]

I'm glad Junior is with his Daddy, I think it would be cruel to separate them

I disagree wholly. There shouldn't be an assessment of cruelty, especially if Ronald saw that it would benefit Jr to be away from the turmoil that exists in Ronald's home right now. But then, when one forgets to focus on the needs of the child over the needs of the parent, one chooses to expose a child to whatever the parent involves himself in.

 

[Malesherbes]

I'm glad Junior is with his Daddy, I think it would be cruel to separate them

I think its cruel Daddy is exposing Jr to a person who flunked 3 lie detector tests, and knows the fate of butterbeans sissy, and shes refusing to cooperate without a lawyer- that scares the crap out of me that a person would leave their child in that kind of environment thinking thats somewhat healthy-

jmo

 

[Whisperer]

Personally, it scares the bejeezies out of me that people think JR is in a safe enviorment. But then again, I guess that seems to hold up with the consistency that RC is a loving, caring, wonderful father and a good provider. If you believe that, then I guess logic follows that to tear JR away from such a good happy home would be cruel.

It is in the eye of the beholder. I do not wear rose-colored glasses, can't stand the way that tint distorts things.

 

[elle1919]

The elephant in the room--ie, the question we overlook when we insist only empathy and no scrutiny or criticism should ever be leveled upon the parent of any missing child--is the cause of the first child going mysteriously 'missing.' Were LE approaching this as a stranger abduction, had the negative and dramatic risk factors never emerged during the investigation, I am certain RC would be availing himself of nothing but the public's, and fellow poster's, sympathy and support.

However, there have been glaring errors of judgment uncovered leading up to, and inexplicable allegiances following... foremost among them RC and his family's continued embracing and encircling of the one person whose stories LE has maintained are totally UNbelievable.

Even as the parent of a missing child, Crystal still had--and has now, more than ever--the safety and wellbeing of more than one child to consider. There may not have been much more she could do to assist in protecting Haleigh once gone from under her father and Misty's watch, but what she could do is reevaluate and reconsider the best situation for her other child. For as long as the case remained unsolved, I would be frantic w concern for any other children remaining under the same circumstances. And if the other parent or appointed caregiver in whose care a child had already gone missing or was last seen did not share those concerns or voluntarily seek or permit removing the remaining children, I certainly hope I would not be faulted for taking steps to improve their safety and security. Because the cause of the first child's disappearance (or possible demise) is as yet undetermined. CS has been blasted time and again for not doing enough--in the harsh judgment of others--to take steps when there were only warning signs and less reason for concern or alarm... and is faulted just as unmercifully when she responds or tries to intervene on Junior's behalf.

It is a mature unselfish love for Haleigh that is demonstrated when Crystal graciously assures her daughter Mommy 'AND Daddy love you,' by considering what would be most comforting to a CHILD. She was not before the courts for heaven's sake, but grasping some small shred of hope that she might comfort an alive listening Haleigh.

I am not going to insult my fellow posters, I think I speak for 'most' of us when I say the one person 'most' would like to see in bracelets is the one responsible.

Kiki since you seem pretty positive that RJ should be removed from the home, may I ask where you think he should go and how should one go about getting him there? TIA

As far as speaking for "most" of you, I am unaware if you have noticed but there are quite a few members of WS that read this forum on a hourly basis. Do you maintain that you speak for most of them too? Do you stand by the presumption that everyone that counts wants to see the person responsible in handcuffs? And if you don't feel that Ronald is the person responsible perhaps you might be willing to entertain the question of why there is no sleuthing going on whatsoever in the name of another suspect? As I said on another thread. Is LE not as intelligent as the great minds at WS? How is that they have not connected the dots as each of you have?

 

[cajun]

I think its cruel Daddy is exposing Jr to a person who flunked 3 lie detector tests, and knows the fate of butterbeans sissy, and shes refusing to cooperate without a lawyer- that scares the crap out of me that a person would leave their child in that kind of environment thinking thats somewhat healthy-

jmo

3? Did LE tell you she flunked theirs? She took 3 with them and then that last one with whomever it was.

 

[Whisperer]

I think LE has connected the dots. They need evidence. So far TN, Rc and Misty have been lying and there is no body.

Furthermore, it is likely there are no other witnesses or people that really know what happened other than the immediate family.

Ron lies, Misty lies. Ron, GGMa and TN protect Misty...those connecting dots are visible to everyone.

 

[Malesherbes]

3? Did LE tell you she flunked theirs? She took 3 with them and then that last one with whomever it was.

When Tim Millers test results came out- the LE said they were not surprised by the findings- I know she walked out of LE questioning because they said rude stuff, like said she was a liar, now using common sense, if her tests came back all clear and spiffy, why are they calling her a liar, my common sense says its because she failed their tests- And then, to this day, they still want her for questioning, and TN is blaming Mistys lawyers for her not being cooperative-

Something is rotten-

 

[Whisperer]

For the remaining child to remain in the environment where the POI is the step mother makes no sense...but then again neither did giving OJ's children to OJ make sense. The Family Courts of America are a disgrace. There is no sense in what they do and how they can stand by a decision and not be accountable either.

DCF and the family courts gets it wrong many times...look at the most recent in Florida. They were called, they came and they said "nothing was wrong at the house"...three days later, entire family killed by the father...in Florida.

To stand by the courts and their opinion is not a good place to be regarding the placement of this child with Ron Cummings. RC has already lost Jr's sister due to his poor judgement and inabililty to provide proper care for the child.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I think its cruel Daddy is exposing Jr to a person who flunked 3 lie detector tests, and knows the fate of butterbeans sissy, and shes refusing to cooperate without a lawyer- that scares the crap out of me that a person would leave their child in that kind of environment thinking thats somewhat healthy-

jmo

We don't know if she failed 3 lie detector tests. That's speculation. We don't know that she knows what happened to HaLeigh. Speculation again.

She shouldn't speak to LE without a lawyer imo.

 

[elle1919]

I think LE has connected the dots. They need evidence. So far TN, Rc and Misty have been lying and there is no body.

Furthermore, it is likely there are no other witnesses or people that really know what happened other than the immediate family.

Ron lies, Misty lies. Ron, GGMa and TN protect Misty...those connecting dots are visible to everyone.

my bold of your statement is Another reason why those who come to this forum in search of the truth and information about Haleigh would mistake what you say as fact. You have stated that Ronald Cummings, who the police are not suspicious of and Teresa Neves have all been lying when in fact the only person that has been said to have failed a LD test is Misty Croslin. LE have no problem letting the public know that Misty has been inconsistent therefore I think they would love nothing more than to be able to put the pressure on RC and TN the same way...but they can't because they haven't been lying according to LE.

 

[Whisperer]

When Tim Millers test results came out- the LE said they were not surprised by the findings- I know she walked out of LE questioning because they said rude stuff, like said she was a liar, now using common sense, if her tests came back all clear and spiffy, why are they calling her a liar, my common sense says its because she failed their tests- And then, to this day, they still want her for questioning, and TN is blaming Mistys lawyers for her not being cooperative-

Something is rotten-

Someone is rotten too, Malesherbes.

....TN and Ron totally support Misty. Ron has a Defense Attorney. Misty is a juvenile in the eyes of the court. She cannot be dragged in and she cannot be questioned long if she doesn't want to. In fact she can't be questioned at all, if she cares not to be. She has the upper hand.

....The big question and the elephant in the room is why are TN, GGMA and Ron protecting Misty? They all knew RC was looking for her that night and not one of them told that piece of info. In fact RC just claimed to know nothing about the possibility that she wasn't home. TN casts blame everywhere but on RC and Misty. That is her agenda.That should tell most reasonable people that she is protecting them. She has knowlege of what occurred that day.

....Ron needs to be examined...why don't we know his work hours and why didn't TN tell where she really lives....those are the questions.

 

[Malesherbes]

We don't know if she failed 3 lie detector tests. That's speculation. We don't know that she knows what happened to HaLeigh. Speculation again.

She shouldn't speak to LE without a lawyer imo.

No, she should if she has nothing to hide, and in my opinion she is hiding stuff to save Ronald, and if anyone seemed to care about Haleigh and finding out the truth they would send her to the cops and not to Universal Studios for some relaxation, because there should not be an ounce of relaxation for her- I guess I am not in the mindset someone should be coddled for losing a 6 year old-

 

[Whisperer]

Heck, she doesn't speak to LE with a lawyer..either.