GUILTY WI - 12-Year-Old Girls Stab Friend 19 Times for Slenderman, Waukesha, 31 May 2014 #1

[tlcya]

we might be considered dark. We like scary stories my kids have read teh goosebumps series when younger, heck they were even encouraged at school. We as a family watch scary movies together.

Are my kids at risk of going out and hatching a murder plot? I feel pretty confident they are not. I am really thinking this was some sort of perfect storm of two personalities coming together and launching themselves into a fantasy, isolating as Ausgirl linked about upthread, and I must wonder if either girl had not become involved with the other, they would have done this.

Sometimes it takes a partner in crime to "legitimize" a thought or ideal before you will act upon it.

It will be very interesting to see psych breakdowns of these young ladies.

 

[Karmady]

I was a member of my city's Horror Society, authors and artists who got together once a month to hang out and bump elbows with new ideas, and such.

One night we discussed how long we'd all been 'into' the horror genre. The majority of us started around ages 7-10. These are the *nicest* most balanced people I knew at the time, all had great jobs, nice lives.

An interest in 'dark' literature or art, or music, really does not at all equal a negative person. Usually, it's quite the opposite -- it's like all the darkness is expressed through the art or writing or movies, w/e, no need to dwell on or externalise your own.

I don't like generalizations. But that's certainly true in my case. I read every horror book I could get my hands on and watched every horror movie available from the time I was about 8. I've always been fascinated with the occult (even though I don't believe in it), wicca, etc. from an academic perspective. At the same time, I am the LEAST likely person on the planet to ever kill someone. I can't even watch a shot being given. Anything in pain, even fake pain, makes me gasp, cringe and cover my eyes. jmo

eta: I'm also about as "main stream" as you can get in all other aspects of my life

 

[Spice]

we might be considered dark. We like scary stories my kids have read teh goosebumps series when younger, heck they were even encouraged at school. We as a family watch scary movies together.

Are my kids at risk of going out and hatching a murder plot? I feel pretty confident they are not. I am really thinking this was some sort of perfect storm of two personalities coming together and launching themselves into a fantasy, isolating as Ausgirl linked about upthread, and I must wonder if either girl had not become involved with the other, they would have done this.

Sometimes it takes a partner in crime to "legitimize" a thought or ideal before you will act upon it.

It has often been said that Dylan Klebod may not have ever killed without meeting Eric Harris. In fact Dylan fired far less rounds than Eric, to the point that it was noteworthy.

Shelia Eddy was best friends with Skylar Neese for more than a decade. Rachel entered the picture and she and Shelia aligned almost obsessively. Within a 1 year and a half...Skylar was murdered.

 

[Nymeria]

It wasn't so much the stories, for me anyway, it was the amazing illustrations by Stephen Gammell.

Were those the ones inthedark linked?
They are pretty freaky (and yes, quite well done for kids books).
I do not remember these books, but if they were around in the late 70's/early 80's and through Scholastic I am sure I had some (Catholic School for me also).
Any book about anything paranormal or occult related I snapped up as a kid.
(Not to mention any book either of my parents were done reading).

 

[inthedark14]

Were those the ones inthedark linked?
They are pretty freaky (and yes, quite well done for kids books).
I do not remember these books, but if they were around in the late 70's/early 80's and through Scholastic I am sure I had some (Catholic School for me also).
Any book about anything paranormal or occult related I snapped up as a kid.
(Not to mention any book either of my parents were done reading).

Yes. They are. I read them in the early 90's.

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[Nymeria]

One of the most popular kids titles in the recent past was the goosebumps series. My son is about the same age as these girls and on a recent plane trip the book he bought to read was the Walking Dead. I'm not worried yet.

My 25 year old son is reading the Walking Dead compendiums (I get them when he is finished). He tells me they are a bit more brutal than the actual show though, just so you know Karmady. (Not that I think you should censor him, just for your own knowledge. There are some torture/rape things going on with Michonne and the Governor that were not shown on the TV show).

 

[Karmady]

My 25 year old son is reading the Walking Dead compendiums (I get them when he is finished). He tells me they are a bit more brutal than the actual show though, just so you know Karmady. (Not that I think you should censor him, just for your own knowledge. There are some torture/rape things going on with Michonne and the Governor that were not shown on the TV show).

Thanks for the heads up, Nymeria. He tends to share the disturbing parts with me. I think that's his way of asking for input. But I'll definitely see if he's read anything like that and if he wants to talk about it. I know he's already vaguely aware of rape and torture concepts from the news and, probably, video games. One of our standing jokes is that he can play GTA, but he can't go into the strip club in the game until he's 21. That probably sounds terrible, but it's my way of keeping on top of what he's doing without making him think he needs to sneak.

jmo

 

[Nymeria]

I don't like generalizations. But that's certainly true in my case. I read every horror book I could get my hands on and watched every horror movie available from the time I was about 8. I've always been fascinated with the occult (even though I don't believe in it), wicca, etc. from an academic perspective. At the same time, I am the LEAST likely person on the planet to ever kill someone. I can't even watch a shot being given. Anything in pain, even fake pain, makes me gasp, cringe and cover my eyes. jmo

eta: I'm also about as "main stream" as you can get in all other aspects of my life

*BBM* OMG Karm I am exactly the same!
Watching a needle slide into skin freaks me out.
At the same time I can watch any horror movie and not blink.
You are right about the pain aspect of it though. Seeing Michael Myers administer knife slashes I can handle, movies like "Hostel" though, that linger on the torture....just no.
I had my hand over my eyes a lot during this season of Hannibal. It is a great show mentally, but they realllllllly go deep with the gore for network TV.

 

[nightwatch]

LE has full confessions does this mean the victim is saved from having to testify at a trial?

Perhaps some type of plea deal will be reached. Jmo

ciao

 

[Ausgirl]

Just riffing on the conversation with Karmady and ellemo here..

I was a child of abuse and neglect. No-one *ever* monitored my reading or viewing (we didn't have computers back then! omg dinosaur..) - I mean, nobody. I was the youngest person at 10 to ever hold an adult library card in our town, as I'd read *everything* in the kids section that was vaguely dark or mysterious (and our librarian was a pushover for kids who loved to read).

No-one was there to monitor me and I turned out just fine. In turn, I refused to helicopter my own child -- I know the value and joy of that freedom to explore things.

The difference is, I'm there for her. She isn't 'monitored' because I know what she's watching and doing, she runs to tell me all about it.

The most important thing, in my opinion, was developing that trust between us, so she -will- come to me if something bothers her or is too much for her. I never had that, so it was important to me she does. And I think that's more important than censoring. Kids will get around any limitation, if they really want to - or feel they have to, in secret.

As far the case goes, I am sure both sets of parents knew all about 'Slenderman' and what their kids were into, from what I have seen that's very much the case.

The main factor in them going haywire is that bond they had, where they feed off each other's fantasies, though it also could have been feeding off each other's desire to see what killing someone felt like, who really knows.

 

[Karmady]

*BBM* OMG Karm I am exactly the same!
Watching a needle slide into skin freaks me out.
At the same time I can watch any horror movie and not blink.
You are right about the pain aspect of it though. Seeing Michael Myers administer knife slashes I can handle, movies like "Hostel" though, that linger on the torture....just no.
I had my hand over my eyes a lot during this season of Hannibal. It is a great show mentally, but they realllllllly go deep with the gore for network TV.

sorry to the other posters for taking this way o/t. Last one, I promise. But about the needle thing -- I have turn down the volume when that part of Comfortably Numb is playing! It's a serious affliction. I immediately grab whatever body part I see being assaulted. I actually read some books through my fingers. The fava bean scene in Silence of the Lambs was one of them. omg, I realize I'm a total head case.:floorlaugh:

 

[bt208]

I was the youngest person at 10 to ever hold an adult library card in our town, as I'd read *everything* in the kids section that was vaguely dark or mysterious (and our librarian was a pushover for kids who loved to read).

No-one was there to monitor me and I turned out just fine..

I read everything I could get my hands on.
My earliest knowledge of sex came from reading pornographic books and magazines that I happened upon as a young girl. Really hard core stuff at a young age. I didn't become sexually promiscuous because of it. In fact, I held off on having sex till college!

 

[Karmady]

I read that sledgehammer quote, and I honestly question her story's authenticity. That's literally the only statement of something like that I've seen, and it truly sounds like (IMO) a tween girl telling a neat story.

Agree. And I could be wrong, but I think it's the voiceover that mentions a sledgehammer. Then cuts to the girl for the rest. Idk, but I'm guessing my girl couldn't pick an actual sledgehammer out of a line-up. Or successfully wield one for that matter -- too heavy.

 

[Ausgirl]

It has often been said that Dylan Klebod may not have ever killed without meeting Eric Harris. In fact Dylan fired far less rounds than Eric, to the point that it was noteworthy.

Shelia Eddy was best friends with Skylar Neese for more than a decade. Rachel entered the picture and she and Shelia aligned almost obsessively. Within a 1 year and a half...Skylar was murdered.

Yes! Exactly. It's the dynamic between them that sets them off. That one kid with the violent streak, who might never have found the courage to act on it without the support of the passive one who's there because they feel special.

 

[Ausgirl]

Thanks for the heads up, Nymeria. He tends to share the disturbing parts with me. I think that's his way of asking for input. But I'll definitely see if he's read anything like that and if he wants to talk about it. I know he's already vaguely aware of rape and torture concepts from the news and, probably, video games. One of our standing jokes is that he can play GTA, but he can't go into the strip club in the game until he's 21. That probably sounds terrible, but it's my way of keeping on top of what he's doing without making him think he needs to sneak.

jmo

I think we have a very similar approach.

 

[Karmady]

LE has full confessions does this mean the victim is saved from having to testify at a trial?

Perhaps some type of plea deal will be reached. Jmo

ciao

Agree. I think there will be no trial. There may be an issue with the confessions, though. They're minors and their parents or attorneys weren't present, apparently, when they waived their rights. That said, I think I've read today that a Wisconsin attorney tried a similar case against two teen boys who killed one of their great grandmothers. In that case, they also were questioned w/o parents or attorneys present and they both were convicted and it's not overturned. Not sure if it's on appeal, but the lawyer commenting didn't say that it was and I think he would have said so if that was the case.

 

[bt208]

a creepypasta website creator lived blocks from stabbing!?
http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/...site-creators-home-b99285464z1-262059961.html

 

[Nymeria]

I think we have a very similar approach.

:ditto: W/ My son.

 

[Nymeria]

a creepypasta website creator lived blocks from stabbing!?
http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/...site-creators-home-b99285464z1-262059961.html

Is it possible one of these girls knew enough to "sleuth" that guy?
What I mean is, if they visited his website could they have backtracked ownership and figured out he lived right near them?
Finding website ownership and physical address' is not too complicated for a tech'r, but I think it would depend on how he registered it, where server is etc.
But if he used his home as the business address, there it would be.

ETA-If you read the article he says he was trying to figure out why the girls associated Slenderman with Wisconsin, he saw no connection.

 

[Nymeria]

"He noted something else, too: The creepypasta community is not intended for girls as young as Weier and Geyser.

Some stories require a birth date to confirm the reader is at least 18.

"I've never known of a creepypasta user as young as 12," he said."

Edit-THAT is interesting. Most of the parents posting here have mentioned their younger kids knowing all about Slenderman. Is he really this clueless?

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/...site-creators-home-b99285464z1-262059961.html