Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #36

[justwannahelp]

I read somewhere they recorded the funeral for her in the event she were found.

Good thinking. I wouldn’t have thought to do that

 

[cluciano63]

Did JP tell LE that he shaved his head so as not to leave evidence? Or is this a guess on sheriff’s part?

 

[Cardinal47]

I just read a few pages back that the father had paid off the mortgage - is this not correct? Thanks!

I’m quoting/bringing forward my own post, because there’s still confusion about JP’s residence and the mortgage, which I perpetuated until @klind55 kindly did due diligence and set me straight.


https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/20190111_235426-jpg.163788/

Patterson father paid off the mortgage. He didn’t give the house back to the bank

Thank you! That needed to be clarified!

 

[not.a.muggle]

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[Ellmau]

Why are Websleuthers sleuthing a family member of the accused? Isn’t that a violation of the WS rules?

The police said they were looking at the brother and his conviction.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Have they said yet how he came across her in the first place? I feel like that's the most important question.

No they don't know yet. Sheriff said they have not any evidence that links him to the Closs family, not in person or online.

 

[Sjm_qc]

I find this extremely creepy SNIPPED BY ME

Snipped because IMO we’re on a hiding to nothing/getting REALLY confused and conflating far too much.

Brother isn’t a POI - regardless of whatever has been reported in MSM, and doesn’t live in the same state.

 

[gitana1]

Looks like 2nd degree (that he committed) is a felony, but argued it down to a misdemeanor.

(2) Second degree sexual assault. Whoever does any of the following is guilty of a Class C felony:
(a) Has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with another person without consent of that person by use or threat of force or violence.
(b) Has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with another person without consent of that person and causes injury, illness, disease or impairment of a sexual or reproductive organ, or mental anguish requiring psychiatric care for the victim.
(c) Has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with a person who suffers from a mental illness or deficiency which renders that person temporarily or permanently incapable of appraising the person's conduct, and the defendant knows of such condition.
(cm) Has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with a person who is under the influence of an intoxicant to a degree which renders that person incapable of giving consent if the defendant has actual knowledge that the person is incapable of giving consent and the defendant has the purpose to have sexual contact or sexual intercourse with the person while the person is incapable of giving consent.
(d) Has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with a person who the defendant knows is unconscious.
(f) Is aided or abetted by one or more other persons and has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with another person without the consent of that person.
(g) Is an employee of a facility or program under s. 940.295 (2) (b), (c), (h) or (k) and has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with a person who is a patient or resident of the facility or program.
(h) Has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with an individual who is confined in a correctional institution if the actor is a correctional staff member. This paragraph does not apply if the individual with whom the actor has sexual contact or sexual intercourse is subject to prosecution for the sexual contact or sexual intercourse under this section.
(i) Has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with an individual who is on probation, parole, or extended supervision if the actor is a probation, parole, or extended supervision agent who supervises the individual, either directly or through a subordinate, in his or her capacity as a probation, parole, or extended supervision agent or who has influenced or has attempted to influence another probation, parole, or extended supervision agent's supervision of the individual. This paragraph does not apply if the individual with whom the actor has sexual contact or sexual intercourse is subject to prosecution for the sexual contact or sexual intercourse under this section.
(j) Is a licensee, employee, or nonclient resident of an entity, as defined in s. 48.685 (1) (b) or 50.065 (1) (c), and has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with a client of the entity.
(3) Third degree sexual assault.
(a) Whoever has sexual intercourse with a person without the consent of that person is guilty of a Class G felony.
(b) Whoever has sexual contact in the manner described in sub. (5) (b) 2. or 3. with a person without the consent of that person is guilty of a Class G felony.
(3m) Fourth degree sexual assault. Except as provided in sub. (3), whoever has sexual contact with a person without the consent of that person is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
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I was pretty horrified when someone suggested that we "need to know more" before deciding this wasn't a consensual sexual encounter.

No we don't. It's not a statutory rape charge. It's sexual assault. Geez.

Anyhow, what on earth created that dynamic with those brothers?

 

[Rodnester]

Authorities investigating criminal history of Closs suspect's brother

I wonder if Jake learned to evade LE by observing the techniques that LE used to "bust" his brother. EP had met the girl in a chat room, so learning to avoid social media would have been a good lesson to learn.

 

[girlhasnoname]

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[The Dude]

I absolutely think he was out looking for her. I also think he might very well have killed anyone with her had he found her. The woman who walked her to the other peoples home was in danger imo. I applaud her big time. She too is a true hero in my book.

And don't forget Henry. He gets to be a hero, too.

 

[Hippononymous]

Have they said yet how he came across her in the first place? I feel like that's the most important question.

Not yet.

 

[Rhenish]

I wish there were more updates on the suspect.
I am wondering if he is cooperating or if he is refusing to speak. I would love to know if any of his family has gone to visit him and if so are they are encouraging him to cooperate or not. I have not come across any statements that the suspect's family has made with regard to the crime, which I respect if they do not want to put one out there, I imagine they are likely mortified and likely speechless. As I said previously, I hope he confesses and is swiftly sentenced and put away.

 

[justwannahelp]

I thought I read "comings and goings" too, and Jayme told the neighbor that she was locked up when he "had people over". But, of course, now I can't find links.

Now that you mention it, I think I read that too. I think the school teacher and police officer neighbors may have said that in an article. So maybe the comings and goings were typical 21 year old type comings and goings- watching football Games with friends etc. if she was hidden during those times then I’m hoping she wasn’t being assaulted by the “comer and goers” if that makes sense. And LE would have made additional arrests by now, right? My mind went to holly bobo when i read comings and goings. I’m now thinking it was not those types of visitors. Thank God.

 

[zecats]

I find this extremely creepy since his brother works at Subway...this post was posted 10/25/18...it holds way too many similarities to the truth for my comfort...was someone trying to tip someone off??

Without too many details, there were posts on SM about a young man who went missing at the same time Jayme did. He was from Eau Clair, which is the town to the south of Barron...not the same as the South Eau Claire Circle in Gordon where she had been held and was found. This was not related to Jayme at all, believe, in fact, it was investigated, but the young man returned home and was no where near Barron WI.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yay for Jayme, she's home! I for one am proud of her for having the courage to take an opportunity to escape and win her freedom. She is a survivor which will serve her well on her road to recovery.

Seems like the thread is slipping off into IDK what. Will check back.

 

[Lorelei1]

Now that you mention it, I think I read that too. I think the school teacher and police officer neighbors may have said that in an article. So maybe the comings and goings were typical 21 year old type comings and goings- watching football Games with friends etc. if she was hidden during those times then I’m hoping she wasn’t being assaulted by the “comer and goers” if that makes sense. And LE would have made additional arrests by now, right? My mind went to holly bobo when i read comings and goings. I’m now thinking it was not those types of visitors. Thank God.

It was mentioned that JP had a lot of vehicles, which seems kind of strange for a possibly unemployed person who is maybe living there alone. I’m wondering if it was just him the neighbour would see coming and going. Maybe he used a different vehicle each time he went out for food, etc.

 

[Tim Constas]

Have they said yet how he came across her in the first place? I feel like that's the most important question.

No, they have not. None of us knows if he's even talking to authorities and even if he is they may not share that information until trial.

 

[Nerissa]

Sheriff stated in PC that JP had been planning this for some time

I hope in time we will know why he chose Jayme, where he first saw her etc.

Unfortunately if JP is the only one who knows this then it's up to him to confess to those details...& he may not.....

 

[Julia966]

I seem to be unable to quote in replies, but thank you for posting the TOS, not.a.muggle. Since the brother has been mentioned in the press and by the police, I don't know if that changes things, as opposed to posters going out and finding him.

I'll stop discussing him if it's potentially against the rules. I don't think there's anything relevant to be found there anyway.