Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #37

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Hey Everyone,

There is no need at this point to discuss sexual assult. This thread will be on the Internet forever.
I am asking you to remember if this was your daughter would you want strangers discussing this topic?
Thank you
 
If she was walking out of the woods when Mrs. Nutter saw her, she couldn't have been out of the house for long, then an 8 minute walk to the other house. JP was picked up about 30 minutes later, 10 minutes after police arrived at the house. So, there's a window there, plus the street is a loop with two entrance/exits onto the main road. He may not have returned until she was already in the neighbor's house.

It is good timing, though. The sheriff was very careful not to comment on things he was unsure of, so the fact that he said it definitively makes me think it must be right. JP must have told them, I suppose.
Wasn't it stated his brother carried a scanner?
I know we didn't hear that he did, but if he had heard a call come from his road, I could see him heading that way to investigate or try and take things that would incriminate him further.
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His brother travelled with police scanner .. are we assuming he’s doing his daily activities and hears the chatter ?? That or monitor at home triggers something..Makes b line for home ... His heart had to be racing... I’m so screwed ..
If I had to venture a guess, I'd say it was the first time he left her alone, unbound/unshackled, etc. and he purposefully told her he'd be back around midnight, only to circle back minutes later to see if she'd leave the house.
 
If I had to venture a guess, I'd say it was the first time he left her alone, unbound/unshackled, etc. and he purposefully told her he'd be back around midnight, only to circle back minutes later to see if she'd leave the house.

I had the same thought. It might have been a test. But on the other hand, I wonder if that were the case, why he didn't catch her? My personal beliefs allow me to feel like powers beyond our comprehension intervened.
 
Hmmm, Chris Watts...
CW was personal, it's a different scenario. He was cheating, had already crossed a boundary. He was also older and in the days before the murder had been acting differently, not answering SW's phone calls, not following the "rules", becoming more aggressive. etc.
It's also different in that CW had a relationship with his victims, lived in the home, took the bodies to a known area that he worked at.
But you may be right, he may have been the quiet kid who siphoned gas once and then had some fantasy and lived it out.
 
Do you have a link to details of escape and this? I want to read/watch. Thanks
No, no link or details about escape.

She’s alive! And she wasn’t found, she escaped! She couldn’t have know if she would encounter someone to help or how long she could be out if the cold. She didn’t just run out screaming, she put his shoes on, she had his clothes on, it appears. I get anxiety imagining the steps she went through to escape!

He appears to have outsmarted LE. We don’t know if she would have ever been found and ALIVE!

She outsmarted and overpowered!!
 
I had the same thought. It might have been a test. But on the other hand, I wonder if that were the case, why he didn't catch her? My personal beliefs allow me to feel like powers beyond our comprehension intervened.
Assuming it was a test, there could be a couple of reasons he didn't catch her.

1. She left the road and he didn't anticipate that.

2. After he drove off, he waited a little too long before circling back.

3. He never actually thought that she'd "leave" him.

The one thing we do know is that he underestimated her.
 
If you think about it, from her vantage point all she sees is trees. It took fortitude to run out into what may have been a heavily forested area, she has no idea where the road goes or if he's sitting there waiting for her to come out and yet she did it. Just amazing.

It really is. Jayme is an amazing young woman.
 
People earlier were wondering where he might have first seen Jayme, and how he developed some soft of obsession with her.
It was said, very innocently of course, that it didn't matter since it's obvious he did find her, etc.

It almost certainly does or will matter to Jayme, if not now, then years later. She absolutely needs to know where he saw her, and that there was nothing she did or could have done differently. She didn't know she was stalked.

As part of her healing, she needs to know 1) That he's a very different kind of sick person, an antisocial personality disordered person with violent tendencies and what that means as she ages, and 2) Which vast majority of her future activities she can feel very safe in, if he focused in on her at one location or maybe even one time only at a specific place.
This is very very hard to put into words for me.

Because of Elizabeth Smart's experience, she may or may not still give money to the poor in Temple Square or hire down on their luck handymen for her own home. ( I think I know the answers, but I cannot speak for another person).

For another survivor, it would have been another set of activities which he or she may never have to repeat such as going to a deserted laundromat ( just an example) or going to a mini mart late at night.
For others, they may have had years of needing to repeat the same thing which happened when they were taken, which would scare me more than I can say. Maybe the repeated exposure to the same or similar circumstances lessens the flashbacks and the panic, IDK. I choose not to ever know if possible.

The process of abduction itself usually changes the survivor's level of trust out of the " safe zone"- usually a personal or family home- and trust of strangers. As healing continues, it's not rare for some object, phrase, scent or stranger closeness to cause a certain type of mild to moderately severe flashback and severe anxiety, usually. It's likely not proper for us to know what that will be for Jayme, but I can tell you it's so real and so strong for some, we have to hold onto something to even remain standing, or we have to leave the area with haste.

I am lucky, I guess, that my stalker/ abductor didn't wear a uniform, ( did carry his badge and shoulder holstered gun) but a suit. I have aversion to suspenders, even just seeing them ( usually older TV programs) , and any exposure to the scent of Grey Flannel, which was the men's scent he liberally had applied every time I was in my office and he entered there, and later when he stalked me while I was just living my life.

There is a certain formerly very famous politician who was extremely similar in dress style and what I'd call " strutting" and could have been the man's brother in every aspect of personal appearance in hair and face, maybe almost twin- like, although they never stood side by side as far as I know... I'd have to leave when the man who looked so similar was on TV. I'd have difficulty now with this if he was still a popular national figure.

I will likely never fully trust the authority of anyone with a badge again, even though I worked on this in therapy for some time and we decided the power inequality was the problem issue I could not/ cannot control as an ordinary citizen.

Other survivors of life- threatening acute hostage situation
will have other triggers. Some people suppress them for a while, but the connection likely will come to the forefront of one's attention when the psyche is ready to accept the image, or smell, or other sensory memory.

It is extremely important to identify them and to learn to either accept that they're similar but not the same, which can be very difficult if the perp. dressed in such a way as to stand out from others for his intended victim for a long time, or to leave the area of the triggering things or person if that's the survivor's choice and it's easily done.

I've seen photos of some extremely distinct offenders shortly after the crimes, and I'd think the triggering responses would be lasting and great, regardless of the survivor's high level of functioning in all visible areas.

Sometimes, the deepest hurts do not show at all. Jayme's youth is a huge boon to her in learning desensitization to most triggers she will almost certainly have. We do not have any need to know what they are or anything about this. I chose to share the most visible and noticeable scent which are not distressing to read, because of respect for each of you, and because I don't want to over-share.
 
I understand. But later, other potential facts came out stating there was no shift for him on Sunday that he would be working. So it made me wonder if she just said that to her family, to cover for the fact that he preferred to watch football instead of visiting them. lol
 
Assuming it was a test, there could be a couple of reasons he didn't catch her.

1. She left the road and he didn't anticipate that.

2. After he drove off, he waited a little too long before circling back.

3. He never actually thought that she'd "leave" him.

The one thing we do know is that he underestimated her.

I'd like to add one more:

4. He didn't think he was doing anything wrong, so of course she was nearby waiting for him.
 
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