AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #13

[HarvestMoon]

I'd never open my door at night, heck I won't end open it during the day- unless I've invited someone over.

 

[bears10]

"Advised the door has been kicked in" in the 911 log may mean that the officer was documenting that he had gained the entry to the house. In fact, I believe that. I can see the officer kicking in the door since he cannot see what's behind the door. He needs to keep himself safe. MOO

Anything’s possible, but I disagree at this time. I think they took the storm door to check for dna bc it’s possible the perp touched the storm door with his hands to open it before he kicked the front door in. JMO for now

 

[sun16]

Wild speculation: what if perp was toying with cops and dialed 911 himself knowing he would be long gone by the time they ever arrived on scene? They could use that to taunt Jayme and police. Stranger things have happened I am sure. That may be why police won’t comment where phone found or who they think made the call?

No.

 

[Echo44]

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For some reason, this just made a whole new wave of sadness crash across me. Two parents gone, a child missing, a family destroyed; their home is a crime scene. Homes are supposed to be the place where there is laughing, love, memories, comfort and security.

It will never be how it was again. It is unlikely that anybody in the family would keep the house.

Sometimes the oddest news bits break my heart.

I wonder how long it will take to sell. Maybe tear it down and build something on another part of the property.

Maybe some people will volunteer to go through the house and pack up personal belongings for the family.

How are the police able to sleep at night? Like I actually cannot comprehend how, sleeping pills?

I feel sorry for everyone in this case, including all of you. Was so so hoping this was not going to be a cold case.

 

[MsBetsy]

Have we talked about the 911 call being so poor quality? Do we think it’s because the live phone was in a room far away from where the yelling was currently happening? And what would that mean? Or what else? I’ve thought a lot about this and am stumped.

Yes, they said it was background noise that was heard. No one spoke directly into the phone. The only word they could make out was " help." And yelling.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

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Did he have shoes on or bare feet?

LE who arrived said feet. The didn't say they first saw his shoes.

Imo this family had probably already turned in for the night.

It would catch them all off guard. Imo they were found in their night clothes.

Imo

 

[lex8396]

If it was someone Jayme knew, they could have slipped a drug into her drink......then carried her out.

 

[BB71]

Going back to the 911 call,
I’m not sure if I read it or LE said it but there was “commotion in the background” could it have possibly been jayme arguing with the murderer?

Wish we could listen. LE know who made call. They know whether dad (or mom) kicked in the door. Why won’t they let us know?

 

[MassGuy]

Wild speculation: what if perp was toying with cops and dialed 911 himself knowing he would be long gone by the time they ever arrived on scene? They could use that to taunt Jayme and police. Stranger things have happened I am sure. That may be why police won’t comment where phone found or who they think made the call?

I doubt it. We’ve seen serial killers do similar things, but generally that’s after they’ve done it a few times. It’s part of the rush.

Without evidence to the contrary, this is likely his first kill. Adding another element of risk, would be incredibly reckless, and against all norms.

A family member made that call.

 

[bears10]

If it was someone Jayme knew, they could have slipped a drug into her drink......then carried her out.

I mean it’s possible but they’d have to force her to drink it and then it’d take time to kick in.

Eta - even if she knows them, they just killed her parents. So I just find this scenario unlikely JMO

 

[LietKynes]

There had to be two distinctive female voices in the call, in order for LE to deduce and be confident that Jayme was at home at the time of murder. Both the mom and Jayme were talking or screaming, IMO.

Good point... I was wondering how LE knew for certain Jayme was home at that time .
Sometimes girls have sleepovers, even on weekends or school nights ; or Jayme could've been staying with a relative.
Was the caregiver supposed to come over later on Monday ? In case both parents worked until late and someone needed to be with Jayme ?
Or was the caregiver there only for when both parents were working the same shift or double shifts ?

I remember reading many threads back that the Closs parents would help anyone that needed help. I believe a co worker said that. People like that sometimes get taken advantage of by a person/people with bad intentions....imoo

Agreed. I read that a while back as well.
And, IF this was the case... surprised that LE haven't been advising more locals to lock up at night, and to use caution when accessing outbuildings, barns, sheds, etc.

But it's as if LE want people to know they (i.e., locals) aren't in danger.

I keep veering from "LE know more than they're saying" .... to " LE unfortunately do not know anymore than the general public".

And if LE have no clue as to whom may have abducted Jayme (yes I used the "A" word-- since I feel she was taken) --- why aren't they informing the general public that there's a perp on the loose who killed two people, took a minor-- and to be careful ?
Amber Alerts are used for abductions, correct ?

Right, because I think it was mentioned that her father owned guns, so the murderer here could easily have been killed himself rather instantly.

I was wondering if the Closs family owned firearms.
Will try to find a link.
If the murderer knew this--- may explain the brutality of the killings. As if the perp had to quickly get things under his control.

Such a sad and baffling case.

 

[saralsim]

LE did not kick the door open - JL’s feet were visible and door was ajar when LE arrived. Per the sheriff. There’s a CNN transcript posted up thread from an interview where he stated this.

 

[MassGuy]

Wish we could listen. LE know who made call. They know whether dad (or mom) kicked in the door. Why won’t they let us know?

Because it won’t help them bring Jayme home, and can potentially hurt their investigation.

They will only release that which they are compelled to, and anything that they feel can bring about a resolution, via tip.

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

So speaking of dialing 911 from our smartphones, apparently you have to be "in the know" these days in order to make an emergency call other than the usual method which is to wake up phone, tap the phone app, and tap 9-1-1- and then whatever you have to do to initiate the call.

Was reading up on it and it makes me soooo mad that Apple has changed their so-called "emergency" methods. Look it up, folks, and try to memorize their current sequence of steps if you need more urgent access. Seems that if you have an iPhone 7 or older, the steps needed (aside from tapping the phone app and tapping 9-1-1) have changed. iPhones 8 and newer have a different series of steps needed, AND it depends on what OS you have. GRRRR. All involve a weird pressing in of Home button 5 times, or pressing in ONE volume button and one "side" button for several seconds. Sometimes you see a notice on screen that you have to swipe to confirm the call. Other times you just hold in the buttons. I gave up trying to figure out all the methods and just honed in on what I'd need to know on my current phone and OS.

I read a very intense and intelligent blog post from a mother whose son they taught to dial 911 from her cell phone, who has medical issues, who now has to be "re-taught" because darned Apple has changed the method on newer phones. Also on some OSs, you may get a warning sound if you don't confirm the call, which could be very bad in an emergency.

So please, everyone, go to Google and check out your current phone model and OS and memorize what you may need to do. Could even come in handy in a car accident if you can't dial normally, not just in situations like we read about here. And of course I'm only citing Apple above because that's the phone brand I have - do check to see what Android may be up to these days, or whatever other type of phone you may have. And there are also things to "know" if you have a lock screen in place. Love technology but it also seems to be so complex sometimes. Very hard to keep up, esp for folks who aren't glued to these devices 24/7.

 

[MsBetsy]

I guess it’s possible the call dropped or the phone died. But do you think it more likely that the perp ended the call? Since the call was so short. Would help to know where it was found. And I know we already talked about maybe Denise hiding in bathroom.

I initially thought Jayme made the call and was hiding. Maybe she was pulled from the phone, and the perp turned if off. There are many other theories, though. Jmo

 

[MsBetsy]

Anything’s possible, but I disagree at this time. I think they took the storm door to check for dna bc it’s possible the perp touched the storm door with his hands to open it before he kicked the front door in. JMO for now

If he wasn't wearing gloves then, chances are he wasn't wearing them when he loaded the gun either. I hope they find something on the bullet casings, if that's possible.

 

[Warwick7]

Maybe the perp(s) didn't even know Jayme was in the house. Could the phone have been located in a place that LE knew that it was not possible for Denise to make the call? Could Jayme have been hiding and been found by the perp(s) due to the light from the phone? Maybe panic set in and someone grabbed her and took off.

My cell phone won't show light while it is up to my cheek. When I take it down to press a number the light comes on again. If it was up to her face there is no light.

 

[MassGuy]

If he wasn't wearing gloves then, chances are he wasn't wearing them when he loaded the gun either. I hope they find something on the bullet casings, if that's possible.

It can happen, as DNA might not be destroyed when the casing is ejected.

Who Loaded the Gun? Recovering DNA from Bullet Casings

 

[Jabarn]

If you see the picture, the wood of the door was split way down about 2 or three inches from the frame, or the jamb.

The wood looked to be about two inches, at least, thick

You know, I wonder about that. The door clearly had some damage. The problem is knowing what caused the damage, if it was kicked it in or shot in, and when. The FBI is on it, so just speculation on my part the door was a hindrance to someone fighting their way into the house.

I know I am perseverating on thinking James stumbled in on a crime in progress against his family- sorry, it’s a hunch based on what may or not be a timeline where he was a work that evening- I guess you would call it second shift.

Quote from the news: Jayme's grandfather, 72-year-old Robert Naiberg, said nothing seemed amiss at the family gathering attended by Jayme and her mother Sunday afternoon. He said Jayme's father was at work at the time.

Sheriff: Wisconsin parents shot to death while teen daughter...

If the deadbolt or a chain lock was on the door, even his own key couldn’t help him get in. On the other hand, it wouldn’t work for the offender(s) either. All IMO.

 

[gngr~snap]

I'd never open my door at night, heck I won't end open it during the day- unless I've invited someone over.

I am the same. We have told everyone to call before coming over.
The next move is to change the locks.
My aunts house was never locked, friends and family came and went no matter the hour really. Everyone respected them so, maybe from 10pm- 8am all was quiet.
Sadly, those days are over
Thankfully anyone that knows us, KNOWS it would be a bad idea to enter our home unannounced.
If someone were to get in at night we will immediately assume they are strangers, unwelcome and with bad intentions.
Moo