AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #16

[MyBelle]

Could the lock on the back door have been broken during the murders?

It may have been but I think LE would have alerted the family to it so it could be immediately repaired.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

A little off thread question for veterans:

I know there’s no “usual” but how long do you follow cases before there is some kind of break? How often do you check daily?

I haven’t followed very many this closely.

We would all probably say something different so I don't think there is a "usual". A few cases I have spent entire days (time permitting) with one window open to WS and another window open to Google search set for past hour and refresh every hour (hope that made sense). Other cases different. Also long periods of time not even on WS. To use my father's words "whatever floats your boat."
ETA double word

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I'd like to point out something here which, again, I think LE may not be considering.
K.J. is reported to be 5'11', 175 pounds per the police arrest record.

He MIGHT fit into REALLY STRETCHY women's XL clothing without ripping some seams apart.
We know he is either delusional or lied to police or both ( he could be delusional and still have enough presence of mind to lie).

However, it seem LE ( or we) are overlooking the OBVIOUS. He wants to wear WOMEN'S CLOTHING.
There should have been a dresser and closet full of WOMEN'S CLOTHING in the Closs house.

Denise Closs wasn't overly large but she was what I'd call large boned. Why didn't dude go to HER clothing in HER closet??

Think about it. Jayme was 5 feet, 100 pounds. If K.J. could read, he already knew her tiny size from the " Missing" poster descriptions.

This is totally not what a crossdressing thief would do!!! It is a fixation on JAYME I believe.

That’s what makes this creepy. When he broke into the other home he also took the teen’s clothing rather than the mom’s. He seems to be fixated on young girls.

 

[SeekingJana]

That’s what makes this creepy. When he broke into the other home he also took the teen’s clothing rather than the mom’s. He seems to be fixated on young girls.

THEORETICALLY SPEAKING:

He may have BDD ( Body Dysmorphic Disorder) in which his self- perception was arrested when he was around 5-6 years old. I will concede that's a possibility because it is at exactly age 5 to 6 years that our personal awareness of our body vs. other people's bodies forms ( or doesn't form correctly).

An example of this is that children usually start being modest about their own nudity in the bath or shower around age 5. They are developing a healthy awareness of their own body.
( Maybe not present to a huge extent around a trusted parent but usually very prevalent at doctor's exams, any case when an injection needs to be given in the gluteal muscle, or if a rectal temperature needs to be taken for accuracy in a highly febrile state).

OTOH, maybe a crime was planned against the family who's girl's clothing was stolen in August, but it was thwarted because of his arrest for purloining clothing PRIOR to the controlling person's murder/ assault/ whatever else of that family. OR, perhaps the controlling strong personality found him through the police report because they needed a person just like him to be a patsy and also a person to " watch over" an abducted victim.

K.J.'s rewards for cooperation in the abduction of a living little girl would be:
Access to her pre-teen or early teen clothing
Ability to be with a girl who is exactly who he wants to be ( but can never be because of his physical size)
Shelter, food, TV, movies. Computer access for his dreams of surgical sexual reassignment... Internet chat rooms with interests he shares..

I think he's a prime subject to be used in crimes where there is a small girl in the family because someone behind the scenes right now can prey on HIS weakness as an accomplice.
Also, this is not going to sit well with a lot of posters, likely, but he probably would be a very good companion to Jayme if she's alive and the other person has to be absent from their hideaway.
He likely would not want to assault her, he probably could do her hair, nails, help her be silly for a little while... maybe even steal a dog for the two of them to play with ( not that she'd know it was stolen).
He has severely arrested development, is the point of my post.

JMO, a THEORY

 

[HarvestMoon]

That’s what makes this creepy. When he broke into the other home he also took the teen’s clothing rather than the mom’s. He seems to be fixated on young girls.

I am in not excusing him, but perhaps he's stuck in his own teen time, maybe something happened to him then. Who knows.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

No, the Cummins case was an obsesssed teacher who groomed a vulnerable student into a relationship and he fled with her. They were both found alive hiding in a commune. He’s since pleaded guilty.

You reminded me of something I was never able to confirm as a real or fake story. 2 sites had partial info showed about a Barron teacher and supposed arrest in Aug 2018. I was thinking the story couldn't be true because you had to subscribe to see the whole story.

 

[daisy6441]

You reminded me of something I was never able to confirm as a real or fake story. 2 sites had partial info showed about a Barron teacher and supposed arrest in Aug 2018. I was thinking the story couldn't be true because you had to subscribe to see the whole story.

Every thing I tried to read on their site is like that. They want you to pay to read it.

 

[SeekingJana]

I am in not excusing him, but perhaps he's stuck in his own teen time, maybe something happened to him then. Who knows.

Yes, but because of the small size he thinks he is, I'd say much earlier in life. See my post, I hope I explain it well.
Thanks for your post and understanding. I'm not at all ready to give him a pass because he'd be the perfect accomplice to a crime.
Compliant and VERY NEEDY in many, many ways!

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

That’s what makes this creepy. When he broke into the other home he also took the teen’s clothing rather than the mom’s. He seems to be fixated on young girls.

I had a part time job in a women’s clothing store that sells a lot of dressy dresses.
Young adult guy, who most likely is on the autism spectrum, would come in and try on women’s dresses-it was always small dresses. Way too small to fit.
I think it’s about the clothing, not the teenage girls.

JMO and I am not a psychologist

 

[CuriousMaine]

Yet still no arrest, right? I have bad luck...many of the cases I followed for a long time remain unsolved...Haleigh Cummings, Kyron Horman, Ayla Jennings, Jennifer Kesse, Maura M...just to name a few. Bodies never found, no arrests. With Ayla especially, there should have been an arrest long ago...

Did you mean Ayla Reynolds? I agree, should have been an arrest in that case. I think they know what happened and who was responsible.

 

[MassGuy]

Did you mean Ayla Reynolds? I agree, should have been an arrest in that case. I think they know what happened and who was responsible.

That's the thing. A lot of time law enforcement knows who is responsible, but can't meet the evidentiary threshold for a DA to move forward with it. Those cases are so frustrating.

 

[MyBelle]

You reminded me of something I was never able to confirm as a real or fake story. 2 sites had partial info showed about a Barron teacher and supposed arrest in Aug 2018. I was thinking the story couldn't be true because you had to subscribe to see the whole story.

That's interesting because I thought of the Cummins case after reading how close Jayme is to her mother. School is one place her mother couldn't observe her. Cummin's victim has said she went with him because she feared for her family's safety. She also said she lied about Cummins kissing her at school because she didn't want her parents to know. It took more than a month to find them. JMO

 

[1987]

I am in not excusing him, but perhaps he's stuck in his own teen time, maybe something happened to him then. Who knows.

yet he is able to be adult like enough to work with the parents? educate me, I am not being sarcastic.

 

[whatsherface]

That's the thing. A lot of time law enforcement knows who is responsible, but can't meet the evidentiary threshold for a DA to move forward with it. Those cases are so frustrating.

that reminded me of Hailey Dunn. I’m pretty confident they know who was responsible.

 

[HarvestMoon]

Yes, but because of the small size he thinks he is, I'd say much earlier in life. See my post, I hope I explain it well.
Thanks for your post and understanding. I'm not at all ready to give him a pass because he'd be the perfect accomplice to a crime.
Compliant and VERY NEEDY in many, many ways!

You explained it well, Jana.

I think he needs mental health help. In and out of jail isn't going to solve what he is dealing with.

I don't think anyone spurred him on to go to Jayme's house.

 

[SeekingJana]

I had a part time job in a women’s clothing store that sells a lot of dressy dresses.
Young adult guy, who most likely is on the autism spectrum, would come in and try on women’s dresses-it was always small dresses. Way too small to fit.
I think it’s about the clothing, not the teenage girls.

JMO and I am not a psychologist

Yes, there are men who buy clothing on eBay.. Things which are handmade like ruffled girl's and small ladies nightgowns... that's all I'll say about it.
But, if you are a grown man but don't see yourself as a grown man but a teen girl, then you ACT like a teen girl.

This is proven with the guy who came in and tried on girl's clothing. He saw himself as being able to wear the clothing and he wanted to wear the clothing. You knew he couldn't, other people would know, of course, but HE DIDN'T KNOW.
Arrested development and lack of ability to see himself in a true, clear light. It's a paraphilia.

 

[RoiPD86]

I have been really busy with work but would like to chime in. I just saw the news story on WEAU about KJ. I do not know this man's IQ or maturity level. A moment of weakness for an uninvolved troubled man or a slip up for a suspect with some involvement in the case? Its odd that one would neglect to acknowledge or neglect to care, given someone with average intelligence would assume the property in a murder case is being watched by LE. Knowing this man's poor decision making skill here, his workplace and the possible significance of that, and other variables....I sure hope he is being looked into heavily.

 

[JohnTate90210]

In the latest incident, KJ was riding a bike. In the August incident, he stole a bike but returned it. I’d guess bikes are his means of transportation. If he was involved in the murder then he had to steal or borrow a car, it seems.

 

[Cardinal47]

yet he is able to be adult like enough to work with the parents? educate me, I am not being sarcastic.

Assembly line work requires no skills. Many adults with learning disabilities do this kind of work. Maybe not a poultry line but similar line work!

 

[SeekingJana]

You explained it well, Jana.

I think he needs mental health help. In and out of jail isn't going to solve what he is dealing with.

I don't think anyone spurred him on to go to Jayme's house.

There are some vulnerabilities in people with arrested development. It's not physical, it is emotional, as you said.
But, when an adult thinks like a 12 year old, they are so easily exploited.

Add to this that K.J. had severe basic needs for daily living. Wouldn't he be a pliant and cooperative driver of the getaway car? Or the one holding the little girl, trying to soothe her, likely?

A young teen girl is his mental " mirror". I don't know if anyone recruited him in the Closs case.
I hope not, but I do think he would be very susceptible to being an accomplice in some way.

They say it's not true and I don't think this is being understood well, or received well, so I will not mention the possibility again until more is known.

God bless all, and may our Father watch over those who are so fragile in different ways. God, please keep Jayme safe, with you, or with us on earth.