AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #21

[carmenugt]

I remember the hearsay about Jayme dating older boy. The sheriff said he doesn't know. Shouldn't he. But I am sure the boy was ruled out if there was any credibility.
Investigators regroup to review leads in Jayme Closs mystery

 

[carmenugt]

The sheriff says the public is safe. Therefore, I can rule out random crime. Supports my theory that this was a targeted crime. There is a connection.

 

[carmenugt]

Are we allowed to post what we read on Reddit?

 

[KLM6]

When this first happened, that’s immediately where I went.

Either an older boyfriend or online connection that turned into murder. It wouldn’t be the first time.

Two things make me highly doubt this now:

What we know about Jayme in general.

The fact that this case hasn’t been resolved.

This case looks nothing like any of the cases I have seen, where a relationship leads down this path.

We have absolutely no evidence of any type of relationship that she was engaged in either.

I don’t buy this theory.

What about a 19 year old who thought of Jayme as his girlfriend but the feeling wasnt mutual?
I never believed an older boyfriend theory, but that immediate 'no comment' struck me funny. Same as the 'no comment' on the sexual assault question. There has to be some kind of reason for speculation in his mind, right?

 

[Warwick7]

For those not able to watch right now. Sorry it is so long. Wasn't expecting that but good info. I probably missed info so please check link out later for better accuracy. Not clear on the answer given as far as Jacob Wetterling? Thoughts please? One tip can solve (seems pretty adamant). Barns can't be randomly searched so radar instrument I mentioned in last thread not being used? So the Challenger has not been ruled out. They are still working to put pieces of video together. Also clarification that the people in that area may or may not be safe. They lean toward targeted. He believes Jayme is alive though it's not based on fact. Number of shots and type withheld because it won't help the public and it's something only perp/s would know. Random vs targeted brought up again. Leaning toward targeted because random???? Meeting that disallowed media was so people could feel uninhibited in questions and legally ok. Dateline contacted Sheriff. Person that was arrested was cleared because he was somewhere else. No comment on DNA but people have been tested. This includes LE for swab elimination purposes. Results still not returned. 911 call: quality was bad because the phone was a distance from sounds heard. Organized crime/ mob hit not ruled out because they just don't know. Challenger tips put on side but please keep calling in tips. Fake 911 call was on YT. Was Jayme cleared as a suspect? Jayme is 13 years old. Nothing is off the table but sheriff believes she is in danger. Nothing points to this so far. Amber alert took time due to requirements but DCI/FBI helped to release it. Why more info not being released? Sheriff states they need more info but are releasing what they can that won't endanger Jayme or the case. They do have psychic info (approx 200) that has come in. It is looked at and kept but no further comment. If sheriff thought Jayme was in a house in Barron he would get search warrant and search every house. Sheriff hasn't said Jayme is abducted because he just doesn't know. Absolutely not considering this as a cold case. It is very active. With all the help why hasn't this been solved? Sheriff wished he knew. This may have happened in 4 mins which means less evidence. People are quickly cleared based on alibis, video, receipts etc. Toxicology results from autopsy's will only be released until case is ready to be presented. Was the dad at the casino the night of the murders. Sheriff states he does not know. As far a chair with rope Sheriff only states a chair was taken into evidence but does not know anything about ropes. Sheriff believes she is alive but thats just from his gut and based on 20 years LE exp. Not based on evidence. There are cases like this with happy results. North Carolina kidnapping connection: doesn't know but FBI is checking just in case. Vehicle in Florida was thoroughly checked out. There was a miscommunication with Miami police. Long question about missing couple, Jennie-O. Sheriff not aware of missing couple but if someone has info they should contact tip line. Deer hunting: People know their land. If someone notices their tree stand used or something amiss please report. Sheriff is working with DNR. Sheriff won't comment on rumors of Jayme having boyfriend. Jayme was determined missing in about 2 hours into investigation after checking to be sure she wasn't at a friends etc.. Sheriff doesn't know time of parents deaths but doesn't believe the the killers were there much longer then what originally believed. A&W creepy guy story was checked out. Question about damage to chair, no comment on evidence. Could this be serial killer or kidnap situation? Sheriff "could be". Has all of the family & extended family been interviewed? All family has been interviewed & cooperated. Family party: Sheriff is aware of timeline and does not think releasing info would help. Bones found in Barron are not believed to have any connection but are still in Texas and awaiting DNA evidence. Cautious about putting updates on FB cuz doesn't want to post there is nothing new. Tips are monitored 24/7. Info will be released ASAP when they receive info where public can help. Sorry for errors. Typed while listening.

"He believes Jayme is alive though it's not based on fact. Number of shots and type withheld because it won't help the public and it's something only perp/s would know."
What? ...won't help the public and it's something only perp/s would know."...

 

[cody22]

Was it ever released what type of gun(s) were used?

No.

 

[cluciano63]

"He believes Jayme is alive though it's not based on fact. Number of shots and type withheld because it won't help the public and it's something only perp/s would know."
What? ...won't help the public and it's something only perp/s would know."...

They mean it would not help the public help them...and it is being kept back in the event of a confession, or a tip.

 

[carmenugt]

The Sheriff noted that he doesn’t know if the crime was targeted or random, and he doesn’t know if there was one or more perpetrators.

He said the public is safe. Therefore, not a random crime. During the first interview he said they went in to take something specific. .

 

[MassGuy]

What about a 19 year old who thought of Jayme as his girlfriend but the feeling wasnt mutual?
I never believed an older boyfriend theory, but that immediate 'no comment' struck me funny. Same as the 'no comment' on the sexual assault question. There has to be some kind of reason for speculation in his mind, right?

It’s possible. I think the “no comment” on questions like that, doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Obviously these rumors came from somewhere, I just don’t know from where, or if they have any basis in fact.

 

[SharonNeedles]

For what it's worth, the photo of the chair in the video is at the 2:02 mark, and when I pause it there, my screen flashes "4332 kbps", but there's no reference to frame dimensions or frame source.

Going Inside The Daily Hunt To Find Jayme Closs

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[carmenugt]

I'm beginning to feel a credible scenerio can be constructed in which Jayme was not the original motivation for the crime, or, if she was, it was for quick money, and not sexual or obsession fueled reasons.

It's always seemed incongruous that a SO would go in guns blazing, and that a home invasion would end up with an abduction.

However, a typical drug fueled home invasion looking for quick money in which Jayme is stolen for her monetary value seems to fit the quick, brutal, and unnecessarily deadly events.

I find it hard to believe that someone who does meth has the financial connections to a human traffiker. Human trafficing costs money. It isn't even the same cirle of people. I doubt a human traffiker would even associate with someone as unreliable as a meth head. Someone on meth is too much of a liability in a secret world. JMO.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

"He believes Jayme is alive though it's not based on fact. Number of shots and type withheld because it won't help the public and it's something only perp/s would know."
What? ...won't help the public and it's something only perp/s would know."...

Deleted by me. Better answer given by fellow WS'er

 

[Gardener1850]

He said the public is safe. Therefore, not a random crime. During the first interview he said they went in to take something specific. .

Where did he say the public is safe? Is that in the new interview?
(I haven't had time to listen to it yet, so TIA)

 

[carmenugt]

So: what's the rules here...since LE has not ruled out a 19 year old boyfriend is there any anecdotal evidence out there that he exists that we can share here?

There is no proof. Anyway, if the young man is not mentioned, then he is ruled out.

 

[carmenugt]

Where did he say the public is safe? Is that in the new interview?
(I haven't had time to listen to it yet, so TIA)

Yea. Some reporter asked him about safety. He said the public is safe. IF it were a random crime , then he would be alerting them.

Investigators regroup to review leads in Jayme Closs mystery

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

They mean it would not help the public help them...and it is being kept back in the event of a confession, or a tip.

You said that much better then I did. TY

 

[Gardener1850]

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I may be seeing things, but it looks like a slug (or a bullet) in that chair.
MOO.

 

[VeryVeritas]

The sheriff says the public is safe. Therefore, I can rule out random crime. Supports my theory that this was a targeted crime. There is a connection.

Excellent point.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

Yea. Some reporter asked him about safety. He said the public is safe. IF it were a random crime , then he would be alerting them.

Investigators regroup to review leads in Jayme Closs mystery

Are you talking about today? He was pretty honest today and said he really couldn't say. But I think I remember hearing differently at 1st.

 

[Megnut]

I may be seeing things, but it looks like a slug in that chair.
MOO.

JMO but a bullet lodged in the chair makes the most sense for why they took the whole chair.