AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #4

[Mountain_Kat]

LE has not confirmed that the door was shot in. I'd like to know where/how this rumor originated.

Police trace 911 call after Wisconsin girl goes missing, parents found dead

 

[PommyMommy]

LE has not confirmed that the door was shot in. I'd like to know where/how this rumor originated.

CBS News

Family members told CBS News over the phone that the Closs’s front door was shot in. Investigators added that they know whose cellphone the 911 call came from, but they are not saying who at this time.
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2018/10/16/search-for-jayme-closs-amber-alert-florida-sighting/

 

[Inthedetails]

Not sure. I thought it was at her Grandfather's house. If that is true then that location would be 50 miles away (south and then east of Barron).

Thank you. That detail may or may not useful later.

jmo

 

[feendrache]

They seem credible. Apparently LE feels the same way. There isn’t a reason for them to lie about this.

They could be wrong, but I don’t think so. They had a specific time, and were informed by LE that their clock was 7 or 8 minutes fast. This all rings true.

There are plenty reasons to lie, unintentionally or not. We were told that the parents were shot to death from the autopsy, right? Have they mentioned death by a single bullet in any way?

I feel that has always been mentioned in news because it's so unusual ....?

I'm not challenging you, btw, it's been bugging me and I can't locate the answers to my questions so I'm looking for clarification since everyone does seem to think they wouldn't lie.

 

[Medstudies]

Reminds me of Delphi...

I’m less than 30 miles from Delphi. And am feeling the same way. I keep telling myself this isn’t the same MO - except for the age of the girls involved, and how they are all small town girls.

Ugh, and today’s weather is so similar to the day Abby and Libby were killed. I’m just going to go cry for awhile. This stuff is just heartbreaking.

 

[Deleted member 278]

Police trace 911 call after Wisconsin girl goes missing, parents found dead

Thank you. So, relatives said the door had been shot in. LE cautioned everyone to not listen to anything that doesn't come from them (LE).

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

could one shot have penetrated the door and also killed the father? I have NO theory just sorting facts. Thanks to those who can answer this knowledgeably.

 

[WisconsinSleuth02]

Hello! I have off of school tommorrow! However, I won't be on here from 12 to night.

 

[Inthedetails]

Maybe the perp was greeted at the door by the dad yielding a gun and the perp shot first? Could it even be the perp also has a gunshot wound? idk.....just trying to think of different scenarios. We don't know what may have been occurring in that house prior to the neighbors getting home and later hearing 2 loud gunshots. There could have been more earlier.

The perp being injured might explain the 22 minutes from the time of the gunshots to the time of the 911 call. Maybe he was tending to first-aid (for himself).

Just another idea to consider.

 

[Cardinal47]

Thank you. So, relatives said the door had been shot in. LE cautioned everyone to not listen to anything that doesn't come from them (LE).

Now I'm thinking a lot could have been going on at the Closs home before the neighbors arrived back home. They surely did not mention hearing all those shots. Didn't they just hear two?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Thank you. So, relatives said the door had been shot in. LE cautioned everyone to not listen to anything that doesn't come from them (LE).

Well, LE can say that, but the fact that there are photographs of plywood over the front door leads me to believe the relatives are being truthful on this.

 

[tigertales]

MOO

the two gunshot sounds could have come from the parents and the perp could have used a silencer or other method to quiet the shots that caused the deaths. It is not uncommon for folks to have at least a shotgun in this neck of the woods. (I live about 150 miles northwest) hunting is prevalent and most gun owners have more than one firearm on the property. If there were guns in the house and there were none when the police arrived, they could have been stolen at the time of the crime.

At this time, I don’t believe LE has indicated at what time they think the person or persons entered the house. For all we know the mom and JC could have been followed home after the party and there was a long period of time before the murders took place. The early LE description of the crime scene leads me to believe whoever did this didn’t just pop in and out of that house. This totally MOO

 

[Slowmotion]

could one shot have penetrated the door and also killed the father? I have NO theory just sorting facts. Thanks to those who can answer this knowledgeably.

sure could. look up shotgun vs door on youtube and you can see examples of what a gun of that caliber could do to a door

 

[Inthedetails]

Well, LE can say that, but the fact that there are photographs of plywood over the front door leads me to believe the relatives are being truthful on this.

It seems that the front door was indeed damaged. I'm leaving it open to how the damage occurred. I'm not convinced the door was "shot in." Perhaps it simply was hit with a bullet (or damaged in a scuffle). I don't think we can conclusively say at this point what happened to the door.

jmo

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Now I'm thinking a lot could have been going on at the Closs home before the neighbors arrived back home. They surely did not mention hearing all those shots. Didn't they just hear two?

That's what they reported. But it's possible they were awakened by the first shot and didn't consciously realize that's what woke them up. Then they definitely hear 2 loud shots, so that's what they report. Hard to know.

 

[zecats]

Well, LE can say that, but the fact that there are photographs of plywood over the front door leads me to believe the relatives are being truthful on this.

Or kicked the door in. And then the shots were fired.

 

[Deleted member 278]

The perp being injured might explain the 22 minutes from the time of the gunshots to the time of the 911 call. Maybe he was tending to first-aid (for himself).

Just another idea to consider.

I'm not following this. How would him tending to his own first-aid delay the 911 call?

 

[Deleted member 278]

That's what they reported. But it's possible they were awakened by the first shot and didn't consciously realize that's what woke them up. Then they definitely hear 2 loud shots, so that's what they report. Hard to know.

They were not sleeping.

 

[zecats]

There are plenty reasons to lie, unintentionally or not. We were told that the parents were shot to death from the autopsy, right? Have they mentioned death by a single bullet in any way?

I feel that has always been mentioned in news because it's so unusual ....?

I'm not challenging you, btw, it's been bugging me and I can't locate the answers to my questions so I'm looking for clarification since everyone does seem to think they wouldn't lie.

Just because the neighbors only heard 2 shots, doesn't mean there weren't more. If the first 2 were fired closer to the front door (maybe even from just outside) they would be more likely to be heard. jmo

 

[Slowmotion]

Or kicked the door in. And then the shots were fired.

Going with this. I don’t think you would shoot the door and waste ammo and disturb neighbors before you do what you gotta do