AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #22

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Something brought him to the door. IMO they either knocked or made a bunch of noise trying to kick the door in. Whoever it was probably was not an experienced cat burglar and didn't know how to go in quietly if the doors where locked. I know I would have no idea how to get into a locked house quietly.
I cant reconcile what puts him immediately at the door but has a delay in 911 call. if it was fast then I understand the delay in the call but not dad being that close to the door. if it was long enough to put dad that close to the door then I don't understand the delay in the 911 call.
 
I thought the same thing when I read the “Denise smiled” comment.

Also agree about Jayme appearing shy in photos. Along with the photographic evidence Jayme has been described as being shy in quite a few references.

Truly I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this does turn out to be some person she “met” online in a chat room who deceived her. Predators capitalize on shy and inexperienced young people. Was she rather sheltered, as only children often are?

Has it been reported anywhere that she had close girlfriends her age? I know she participated in dance and cross country, but did she have a friend or friends who hung out with her? Or was she perhaps lonely at times and spent time online seeking social interaction? Yes, they were a close family and extended family but did she have close girl friends too, which is very different than hanging out with family and caregiver.


My own opinions.
Don't know the answer to this. The only tidbit of input I can give on this issue is on her Facebook there is a picture of her and another girl that looks to be similar age that says (i'm paraphrasing) 'the greatest best friend anyone could have' (again words are mine not hers) or something to that effect. I would expect that parents in that area are terrified to do anything that would draw attention to their children with the perp still at large (very understandably) I think this might be part of the reason we have not heard from any of her peers (other than a small snippit from a classmate on this first or second day). IMO
 
I cant reconcile what puts him immediately at the door but has a delay in 911 call. if it was fast then I understand the delay in the call but not dad being that close to the door. if it was long enough to put dad that close to the door then I don't understand the delay in the 911 call.
This, yes. I have always assumed it is because Dad knew the person or someone in the house knew the person/s. They assumed they'd simmer down. Or, they left but never simmered down and came back with guns blazing and didn't bother chatting the next time.
 
I can only go by what my husband does if he hears a noise. He looks out windows to see if he can figure out what is going on.

I cannot imagine anyone going boldy to answer a door at that hour, There had to be some exploration at first, I think.

What if the person hollered they had an accident? Would he simply go to the door or think he should go help?
he didn't necessarily *answer* the door the evidence we have suggest he went to the door. We also know the door was damaged either from being kicked in or shot through which suggest to me he may (IMO) have not opened the door but instead shouted through it IMO. I think this is how I (adult male) would handle a strange knock at ~ 1am.
 
I cant reconcile what puts him immediately at the door but has a delay in 911 call. if it was fast then I understand the delay in the call but not dad being that close to the door. if it was long enough to put dad that close to the door then I don't understand the delay in the 911 call.
It is possible that the 911 call was made by a dying DC and the distant noises heard on the call were Jayme being assaulted or removed from the house.....MOO
 
seems to me that either the killer wanted the parents to be very aware of what was happening or was such a hothead that they didn't even think that far. I think was either known to family or claimed a emergency. if they knew something was happening even for seconds I think mom would have gotten a call in faster. unless it was someone they knew.
I agree if we assume that the neighbors got something wrong and this was not some drawn out 25 minute thing, then I think it is an act of impassivity and more balls than brains. IMO that would suggest younger 17-25 age perp than say 45 plus.
 
Something brought him to the door. IMO they either knocked or made a bunch of noise trying to kick the door in. Whoever it was probably was not an experienced cat burglar and didn't know how to go in quietly if the doors where locked. I know I would have no idea how to get into a locked house quietly.
Unless the perp was at the house already (inside)and an argument occurred. The perp became enraged and went to his car to retrieve his gun and came back and busted in the door .Could someone have called 911 at this time knowing the perp was coming back towards the house? Knowing something bad could happen and trying to secretly alert the police? JMO.
 
LE hasn't released that info, so I doubt very much that the family or the author has a source to back that up.
Article says they got the info on LE having Denise AND Jaymes phone from the sheriff. But at the same time it seems strange that the sheriff would have been no commenting or saying IDK about Jaymes phone for three week and then all of a sudden say that they have it. Maybe it was a slip of the tongue maybe the article got it wrong at this point who knows. Someone should ask Paul Blume to verify with his LE sources.
 
Regarding the reasons to hold off calling 911 OR not having time to call 911. I've personally had my door kicked in, ran to my bedroom and he kicked the entire door frame off the entryway to bedroom. My ex was stalking me, real winner. He left 10 minutes before kicking the front door down. When he came back, he WAS coming IN. I finally called 911 while he was kicking down the bedroom door. I didnt want to call 911 and have him arrested a 5th time (DM is very real) I didn't want to go through a scene at my house again. I didnt want the neighbors all standing outside to see the Jerry Springer sh** happening at my house. (if he'd not been at house just before, the phone wouldn't be in my hand, & there would've been NO time to get the phone to call 911)
 
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It is possible that the 911 call was made by a dying DC and the distant noises heard on the call were Jayme being assaulted or removed from the house.....MOO
I agree. but what delays the call that it gets that far if father has had enough time to get to the front door and be shot. I know once someone was in the situation would be out of control and likely just desperate for any chance to place that call.
 
Regarding the reasons to hold off calling 911 OR not having time to call 911. I've personally had my door kicked in, ran to my bedroom and he kicked the entire door frame off the entryway to bedroom. My ex was stalking me, real winner. He left 10 minutes before kicking the front door down. When he came back, he WAS coming IN. I finally called 911 while he was kicking down the bedroom door. I didnt want to call 911 and have him arrested a 5th time (DM is very real) I didn't want to go through a scene at my house again. I didnt want the neighbors all standing outside to see the Jerry Springer sh** happening at my house.

would a second person going to your door and getting shot have gave the seconds to change when you made the 911 call?
 
I thought it was reported the father owned guns and they were not found.
unless something changed in the last few days (i have not been following as closely) all we know is no guns were found on the scene. We don't know if the father had guns that part is just, IMO reasonable, speculation on the part of posters here based on the demographic of the area and a social media post suggesting Jim has a hunter.
 
I'm still thinking about the chair. Some speculated that it could have been held up as a shield but I have a different idea. What if there was a struggle and one shot got fired towards the chair's location by a person at floor level? That might cause the upward trajectory through the chair's bottom that we think we are seeing in the photos. JMO.
 
Something brought him to the door. IMO they either knocked or made a bunch of noise trying to kick the door in. Whoever it was probably was not an experienced cat burglar and didn't know how to go in quietly if the doors where locked. I know I would have no idea how to get into a locked house quietly.
That's what I've been thinking from the beginning. That at first they may have tried to pick the lock, but maybe there was more than one, like a padlock or chain, so ultimately they ended up kicking the door in. Or, while they were trying to break in, James heard it and went to the door to see what was going on. Maybe the killer did manage to disable the lock and James was using his body to try to prevent him from opening the door. It just doesn't make sense that LE said he had answered the door but the door was kicked in. The way his feet were sticking out of the doorway when police arrived does make it seem like he was standing in the doorway when he was shot. If the killer forced the door open, then you would think James would be several feet inside the house when he was shot. Unless after the door was kicked in he charged the killer and then was killed in the doorway. I can't figure it out. Imo
 
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