AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #22

[Reverie]

Keep in mind, Mark Fuhrman thought Denise was the target. I can't figure out how a theory works with that, but he must be able to so a theory is there. What could it be and still entail taking Jayme?

One theory:
Not sure how to articulate...but
Hypothetically, one might resort to settling a debt(not necessarily monetary) by borrowing from a high risk lender with high risk consequences.

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[cody22]

Denise’s family “Believe” James was at work but don’t know for sure




Paul Blume
@PaulBlume_FOX9

I sat down w/ Denise Closs side of family for this interview. They *believe* James was at work that afternoon. But acknowledged they don't know that with 100% certainty. One of the issues I am working to confirm. Thx for question. #FindJayme #FindJaymeCloss

Opinion - This reporter, Paul Blume, has done the best , most accurate, factual, reporting of any local reporter, that I have ever seen on any case on WS so far.

 

[Gardener1850]

You know....this could just be someone that saw her and decided he wanted her and determined his MO was going to be take down the parents and take her. That makes for intent and him creating his own opportunity and I think that would dictate his motive. jmo

That's really the only theory that makes sense to me. I mean, it doesn't make sense, as in I'm not a killer or a child predator, so I will never understand. But we know that has happened before. We know that some criminals randomly target people and are willing to kill for what they want. It is not a stretch to think someone wanted Jayme enough to kill for her. The act of killing her parents also makes her easier to control. She would be both terrified that he could kill her too and devastated that he had removed those who loved her most in this world. MOO.

 

[photographer4]

So glad they are all doing interviews now to keep this story alive. A bit unusual is they ALL weren't together for the initial press conference pleading for Jayme's return and they now chose to do separate interviews. Denise's family is displaying more anger regarding who and why and James family seems much calmer and more intent on saying it has nothing to do with James or his behavior. It must be very hard for both families and again it's great that their out there keeping Jayme's name in public.

This assumes anyone on either side had a choice about who would be interviewed. It’s possible they weren’t all offered to be interviewed at the same time. That some may interpret that as a divide between his family and his in-laws may be entirely out of the control of family on either side. I bet if there was a true divide in the family, that would make a better headline and we would have heard about it by now, probably from a source like radar.

 

[HarvestMoon]

Well that Fox9 interview cleared up a few things. The family said all James’ guns were still in the house and accounted for after the murder...the gun that killed them was someone else’s gun. And Denise apparently talked to her sister that Sunday nite as late as 10:00 PM.

Also insisting that Jayme didn’t have an older boyfriend.

EDIT: link
Family of missing Wisconsin teen Jayme Closs shares story weeks after disappearance

So it appears that the interviews with both families are being shown in bits and pieces here and there, rather than in their entirety all at once.

 

[bizzle2]

People are asking about the Dad's where abouts....

I was taken back by the radio interview with the Sheriff when asked was the dad at the casino the night of the murder. The Sheriff said he doesn't have an answer to that.

What? Was he at work? At home watching football? At the casino?

He could have been doing all three of those things at some point. Though I'd remind people that no one has ever said he went to the casino that day. Or that he ever went there.

We have been told that Jayme and Denise left the family gathering around 4pm. Common sense tells me that they were likely there for at least a couple hours. So let's figure they arrived at the family gathering no later than 2pm.

That leaves over ten hours between then and when the crimes happened. James could have been working until sometime in the evening and then came home to watch football. Or maybe he was watching football earlier in the day and went to work after that.

 

[bizzle2]

Does anyone know whether the investigators have given a specific reason for excluding Kyle T. Jaenke-Annis as a suspect? If not, I can't believe this board isn't focusing more (if not exclusively) on this guy.

I mean, he broke into the house, knew exactly where Jayme's room was located, took clothing (possibly including underwear, depending on your source), and when asked why he took the clothes and whatever other odds and ends answered that he didn't think anyone would miss the object and that he was interested in what size Jayme was/is. Combine that with the fact that he works at the Turkey factory and I think we have to be nuts not to view him as the prime suspect, regardless of what the police say.

But why, then, would they charge him only for the burglary/theft/trespass, you may ask. My guess is that the police felt that, if Jayme were being held somewhere, their best bet at locating her in time to help rested with tracking Jaenke-Annis once he bonded out. Again, maybe he was at work or something when the crime occurred, but he definitely could have been helping someone out by collecting the clothes from the house.

Am I way off base here?

They said he has a solid alibi and doesn't own a vehicle.

The sheriff said he was still in jail as of last Friday.

 

[IceIce9]

I'm grasping at straws here-- Maybe someone from Denise's high school days that was obsessed with her? Perhaps he ran into Denise and Jayme again around town and flashed back when he saw how much Jayme looked like her mom did as a teen? Maybe Denise rejected this pyschopath in the past and in his warped mind he thought he would have a second chance with Jayme? But this time maybe he was determined to make her his even if he had to kill her parents to get her....Sounds like a bad Lifetime movie to me, but it's all I can come up with for someone targeting Denise and taking Jayme. Also, I feel like I need a shower just typing that out.

Continuing the grasping at straws - maybe someone who worked with Denise developed an obsession with her? Maybe he was convinced in his warped mind that he thought the feeling was mutual? Maybe he thought she was home alone because he thought James was at work? Did Jayme ever spend the night with her caregiver and then get dropped off at school?

Then the question would be why was Jayme taken if Denise was the target? Because she could ID him? Even so why would he risk taking her rather than just doing away with her on the spot?

My #1 theory still has Jayme being the target.

 

[photographer4]

So it appears that the interviews with both families are being shown in bits and pieces here and there, rather than in their entirety all at once.

More money to the networks from advertisers as audiences tune in to see each bit stretched over time.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I'm grasping at straws here-- Maybe someone from Denise's high school days that was obsessed with her? Perhaps he ran into Denise and Jayme again around town and flashed back when he saw how much Jayme looked like her mom did as a teen? Maybe Denise rejected this pyschopath in the past and in his warped mind he thought he would have a second chance with Jayme? But this time maybe he was determined to make her his even if he had to kill her parents to get her....Sounds like a bad Lifetime movie to me, but it's all I can come up with for someone targeting Denise and taking Jayme. Also, I feel like I need a shower just typing that out.

It may not be that far fetched. I am close to Denise's age and found out an ex from high school was still obsessing about our old relationship. In the beginning, I told no one but my husband. It wasn't until years later when things got creepier that I also confided in two friends about the situation.

If anything had happened to me and my husband early on, not another single soul would have had an old high school relationship on their radar.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

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More money to the networks from advertisers as audiences tune in to see each bit stretched over time.

I thought I must have missed most of the KARE11 interview tonight because I no sooner found it and it was over.

 

[bizzle2]

The more I think about this the more I think that James probably worked 1st shift and then went home around 3 or 4 PM and watched football the rest of the day. It may be that James didn't go anywhere else that day so they have nothing to track as far as his movements. If his phone was shown as at home and they have no other info nor evidence to indicate he left home that afternoon, would they even look at the casino? When asked if James was at the Casino perhaps Fitzgerald said "I don't know" because they really have not had any reason to check that. Maybe they are comfortable with the info they have that places James at work and/or home-- he might have been texting Denise and Jayme throughout the day or using his phone to check football scores. Internet theories from people who never even met James Closs and don't know what other evidence LE has in the case, do not make a compelling reason for LE to check if he went to a casino. JMO.

Yea, I took the "I don't know" from the Sheriff when asked about the casino as more of a "we have no reason to look into that so we haven't"

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Regarding posts suggesting that fewer good things have been said about James than Denise. First, there have been multiple coworkers or former coworkers speak of him as a great guy to work with in addition to the old high school buddy. I wish people would stop saying that only one person has spoken of him warmly. It's not true. I think people may be making judgments based on less being said about his free time. Apparently Denise spent her free time at church and helping people, while James spent his free time watching football. BUT look at the interview with his siblings and you will see that it seems he had almost NO free time. It's not that he was less caring than Denise, but the man's cares apparently revolved around taking care of his family financially, leaving little time for anything else. The guy needed a little down-time, and football was his outlet.

 

[proctorelites]

I keep having this silly idea, hope really. That Jayme did get away and ran. That someone she's really close to met her, picked her up and even though they want this solved, refuse to go to LE bc theyre scared of something happening to themselves & Jayme. So, they aren't planning on divulging anything until the murderer(s) are caught. In our wildest dreams this scenario is likely I know. Just a little hope is all. Not based in fact or speculation..dreaming really I guess.

 

[CarnegieHall]

One theory:
Not sure how to articulate...but
Hypothetically, one might resort to settling a debt(not necessarily monetary) by borrowing from a high risk lender with high risk consequences.

Mods please delete if necessary. Thx

I’m trying not to beat the proverbial dead horse by keep talking about debt, so I apologize, but I found it interesting in the interview with james’ brother, that HE brought up the debt angle, and didn’t completely discount it, by saying he ‘hoped’ if James had money problems that hopefully James would come to him or others in the family for help (paraphrasing)

Also, regarding settling debt using high risk lenders as Reverie mentioned, there are Tribal loan lenders, which operate on reservations and online that are not subject to same scrutiny as regular banks. Just an interesting angle I found. All imo. And I promise I will sit on my hands after this.

 

[proctorelites]

Jayme very clearly gets her chin dimple from her father's side of the family. Watch the interview with his siblings and you will see his sister has that feature as well. Any suggestion that Denise had an affair and Jayme was not James' child is way out of line and has no basis in fact IMO.

I was just wondering if he had living family members. I missed their interview apparently.
I know this has been posted but I missed it so, 1 more time. Here is The Closs Interview
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kare11.com/amp/article?section=news&subsection=local&headline=closs-family-shares-grief-one-month-later&contentId=89-614288765

 

[Gardener1850]

I was just wondering if he had living family members. I missed their interview apparently.

KARE 11

 

[Deleted member 158085]

IF I was going to look at theories regarding Denise as the target, I would look at past relationships and really analyze WHERE any of these exes currently work and live and if this ever brought them into contact with others in the household.

Of course, surely LE has already done this.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

He probably isn't counting on amateur web detectives parsing his every word as if they were studying Latin 101.

Or holding his feet to the fire for a 2 second time discrepancy because...IT'S ALL ABOUT THE TIMELINE !

 

[KLM6]

I wonder if Denise could have been shot after the 911 call was made. If she was the target and someone was coming for her, maybe Jayme made that 911 call while the perp was arguing with Denise. Speculating.