AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #28

[KLM6]

I have been assuming that the perp came through the front door too, but we have no verification that the bullets came from the outside in. Did they in fact come from the inside out? Was JC leaving and was shot from behind? That would allow the cabinet on the inside wall as well as the snowman to appear undamaged. But, on the other hand, could bullets go through the wooden door and not break the glass door?

I wondered this as well but the arriving offers first responses make me think he was shot from the front. Its still possible someone came in the side door too though, especially if there was more than one perp. We know one apparently only made it a few steps in (5 feet), and I assumed that was the person who came through the front door, but maybe not? Two murders and a kidnapping is a lot to accomplish in that short of space unless J, J, and D were all in the same room. Didnt they say the panty thief guy only had to go a short distance from the side door to get to Jaymes room?

 

[ilovechili]

I worked at JennieO in Barron many decades ago and it was called Jerome's then (before it was sold). I can tell you that drugs were rampant even then and not overly hidden. One could go into the restroom on break and the majority of people were sharing them or selling them talking about them and did not care if all heard or saw. This was an evening shift. While there were no large numbers of different ethnicities in that day, there was an extremely high turnover and it was one of those places, imho, that would hire without much vetting of employees simply because of that. Much of the work is in cold, wet conditions and it is hard work. Employees also came from long distances or neighboring counties to work. As I said in an earlier post, Rice Lake is the biggest town around for an hour at least in most directions and two hours in some. Jerome's was and probably still is one of the biggest employers in quite a huge radius.

Since I worked there back when, I know people who still do and people who, like the Closses, that have worked there most of their lives. Turnover is high but day shift and other positions once one works their way up holds employees better. Office, cafeteria, maintenance, etc. probably retains employees better. Line work, however, probably far less so. Without going into too much more detail, one of my main theories is this was work or work/drug related. I am not saying the victims did drugs but it doesn't mean they did not see it go on or pick up on something like that or another crime.

The PT works there too as all know so that kind of gives you an idea of the fact that there are people with records for varieties of crimes who are hired and do work there. There are also many in and out with regard to trucks, deliveries, etc. Some employees also work between the plant in Barron and the ones in MN, or at least it used to be that way and I imagine it still is.

One thing that also bothers me to this day is the body found in Willmar, MN, since
identified. Later I found on the very same day a red or orange Challenger was stopped in Willmar (this was in a MN paper I saw later). While the car was stopped, it was let go. <modsnip - discussing other forums, sleuthing non-POI>

I apologize for the length of this post and promise they will not all be so long

 

[mtnlites]

Question 1 on article ... I wouldn’t have thought that


We asked 86 burglars how they broke into homes

I said this earlier, too, but this article reinforces the reason that I do not think this had anything to do with a robbery gone bad. The majority of burglars hit up homes when they think the people will be gone. They don't WANT to run into anyone. The fact that this happened in the middle of the night, when most people would be in bed, is what convinced me from the very beginning that motive here was murder (and probably kidnapping).

 

[mtnlites]

I just had an insight that most of you have probably already had. I was just thinking about Jon Benet, and Polly Klaas.

Like Jon Benet, Jayme participated in competitions where little girls were dolled up; in Jayme's case it was dance costumes. (Please, let's not get in a debate about whether pageants and dance contests are good or bad for young girls. I'm just drawing the comparison).

In the Polly Klaas case, the Perp picked her randomly. He asked the children present in her home - whose home it was. It was Polly's, so he took her.

The point to this is that Jayme could have been stalked by someone who became fascinated and obsessed with her at these dance exhibitions. Or, it could have been something as random as the Klaas case.

As far as the dance recitals go - we know that those with unhealthy fixations on children tend to work in capacities where they can have easy access to them.
Hopefully LE has explored this avenue.

Random, amateur ponderings, speculation and opinion only

Do we know for sure that Jayme participated in dance recitals or competitions? I can't remember. My daughter takes dance and gymnastics,but it's just for fun. She doesn't do any of the recitals-that's a different class altogether.

 

[Blunomore]

Did LE ever provide a reason why the perp who stole Jayme's clothing was cleared of involvement in murder and kidnapping?

 

[rosesfromangels]

Do we know for sure that Jayme participated in dance recitals or competitions? I can't remember. My daughter takes dance and gymnastics,but it's just for fun. She doesn't do any of the recitals-that's a different class altogether.

I was making an assumption based on the pictures of her in a dance costume. To me that spoke to some sort of a recital. However, that was an assumption.

 

[Jax49]

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They called for help within hours. From the 2nd post (w/bbm):

Monday, October 15
12:58 a.m. – Barron Co. receives 911 call from 1268 Hwy. 8. Nobody speaks back to dispatchers.
– Deputies find James and Denise dead from gunshots. Daughter Jayme is missing
– FBI, DCI arrive at home on Highway 8. Search of the area begins

 

[Rosiebones]

I wonder if this crime was a message to others (drug related) not to mess around. A hit, so to speak. Perhaps JC and/or DC had information (from work) and there was concern that they would talk with LE. I wonder if LE is being so quiet because this was low level people and they want to get the higher ups and are also building a case toward that end also. I wonder if that is why the FBI was brought in so early.

 

[andreww]

Did LE ever provide a reason why the perp who stole Jayme's clothing was cleared of involvement in murder and kidnapping?

He had an alibi. He didn't own a vehicle. Those are the only reasons given.

 

[ardean]

They called for help within hours. From the 2nd post (w/bbm):

Monday, October 15
12:58 a.m. – Barron Co. receives 911 call from 1268 Hwy. 8. Nobody speaks back to dispatchers.
– Deputies find James and Denise dead from gunshots. Daughter Jayme is missing
– FBI, DCI arrive at home on Highway 8. Search of the area begins

That's good to know. I wonder if that is why they are as tight lipped about some of the details?

 

[msmamanana]

I saw something that said "sex trafficking and organ harvesting are real".

Jayme was recently in the hospital, correct? Could there be anything very unique about her bloodtype, etc. that could prompt her being taken as a donor match for someone?
Maybe worth a look at her medical records and who accessed them.

 

[1987]

Have u ever tried to hit a target drunk? I have friends with tons of land and I’m very proficient with shotgun and pistol and couldn’t hit a dang target.

hitting a target at some distance would be much different than two or three feet or maybe even just a few inches away. I think

 

[1987]

we can all think we would know how we would react but in the moment that could all evaporate. no one knows till they have it happening. some may be able to train some kinds of reaction out of themselves for some preset ideas of what could happen. I doubt the closs family was keeping a running regiment of how to react and what gun to grab etc. look at house fires, people have plans on how to get out if their house gets on fire and people still die in fires, someone there to shoot you would be no more predictable than fire.

 

[ilovechili]

I wonder if this crime was a message to others (drug related) not to mess around. A hit, so to speak. Perhaps JC and/or DC had information (from work) and there was concern that they would talk with LE. I wonder if LE is being so quiet because this was low level people and they want to get the higher ups and are also building a case toward that end also. I wonder if that is why the FBI was brought in so early.

This is similar to one of my main theories which include the parent(s) knew something, it was the wrong house, or it was someone really hopped up on meth, etc. It would also explain no one coming forward if it was a "hit", perhaps out of fear? I could be wrong, but I have felt from day one that the parents or one was the target. In the same breath, I can also believe in the theories that Jayme was. Typical of most of us, all theories fit, but none seem to fit perfectly...

 

[daisy6441]

I wonder if this crime was a message to others (drug related) not to mess around. A hit, so to speak. Perhaps JC and/or DC had information (from work) and there was concern that they would talk with LE. I wonder if LE is being so quiet because this was low level people and they want to get the higher ups and are also building a case toward that end also. I wonder if that is why the FBI was brought in so early.

If they were going to report something at the plant or with the police they wouldn't have to wait since they are open everyday. But what about a place not open on the weekend? Killer suspects they might be reported first thing that morning so they strike that night?

 

[Megnut]

MOO The recently-arrested suspect in the PURE EVIL abduction and murder of HA was already in jail on unrelated charges -- jailed soon after his crimes against young HA. MOO I am hopeful that, in THIS case, LE may have someone in custody on unrelated charges, held while they solicit tips and secure new charges. I think it might be worth taking another look at who is presently in jail and who may have been there 5-7 weeks. We can hope LE is methodically building a case, in the style of the HA arrest.
For what it's worth, I might open my door at 1am to somebody on a bike. I did. It was earlier in the evening, but my brain thought "bike = child = harmless". Instead I voluntarily opened my door to a garden-variety, petty thief. I wasn't expecting him and he wasn't expecting me. Fortunately for me, he took off, but imagine if he were merely a decoy for a more violent partner?
I'm hopeful for forward movement on the Closs case soon. MOO

 

[Thekt]

If they were going to report something at the plant or with the police they wouldn't have to wait since they are open everyday. But what about a place not open on the weekend? Killer suspects they might be reported first thing that morning so they strike that night?

Great point!

 

[ilovechili]

If they were going to report something at the plant or with the police they wouldn't have to wait since they are open everyday. But what about a place not open on the weekend? Killer suspects they might be reported first thing that morning so they strike that night?

It is a bit of a change but to add to your comment, I have often wondered where the neighbors were until 11:30 that night. In no way am I accusing the neighbors, I am saying I am in the age range of mid 50s and most of us are not the biggest night owls by that age or if we are, it is at home. The area there, other than bars or the casino, would not have most people out to that hour on a Sunday night as pretty much shown to us by very few vehicles seen on the way to the crime scene by LE. Even a family gathering, most would not be there until 11 p.m. on a Sunday. . grandkids have school the next day, people have work, etc. A thought I had and it may be far fetched but let's say the neighbors were at the casino. They won or upset someone, could be a stranger, could be someone that knew them that knew it was just them, no children at home. Someone followed them from a bit of a distance down Highway 8. They see their blinker and them turning into a driveway (from a distance) and as they get closer, they look for a driveway, see the Closses and pull in. They see lights on possibly (Jim still up?), think they have the right house and head for the door. No idea wrong house or Jayme home. Again, I am not accusing them of anything, just saying, it could be something that simple, and mistaken. And Jayme was not expected at all. Thoughts anyone?

 

[ilovechili]

MOO The recently-arrested suspect in the PURE EVIL abduction and murder of HA was already in jail on unrelated charges -- jailed soon after his crimes against young HA. MOO I am hopeful that, in THIS case, LE may have someone in custody on unrelated charges, held while they solicit tips and secure new charges. I think it might be worth taking another look at who is presently in jail and who may have been there 5-7 weeks. We can hope LE is methodically building a case, in the style of the HA arrest.
For what it's worth, I might open my door at 1am to somebody on a bike. I did. It was earlier in the evening, but my brain thought "bike = child = harmless". Instead I voluntarily opened my door to a garden-variety, petty thief. I wasn't expecting him and he wasn't expecting me. Fortunately for me, he took off, but imagine if he were merely a decoy for a more violent partner?
I'm hopeful for forward movement on the Closs case soon. MOO

I have thought the same. I mean what are the odds, one cannot make this stuff up, of the PT breaking into the house after the murders/abduction? Something else that is of interest to me is the news said the PT rode his bike to the laundromat and then walked. In the Dryden interview, the sheriff said he biked to the house. It may just be an unintentional nothing but when we have nothing and are looking for facts one picks up on the littlest things.

Another one is the arrest after that, the comments on the county page mostly comment on weed but he has meth arrests. If one looks back through his record, he has lived in close proximity to the Closses, and in MI and in other areas but was back in this area when arrested and it is not all just petty stuff, there was meth. I believe too many deals are made when some look at some of these things including HA and have quite a history. imho.

 

[Quill]

I was making an assumption based on the pictures of her in a dance costume. To me that spoke to some sort of a recital. However, that was an assumption.

Agree with you on this. Most dance schools typically have a spring recital, at least we alway did and so did my girls. Ours was always complete with beautiful costumes that were sparkly and fun and everyone felt a little extra special.