AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #28

[Rosiebones]

This scenario would satisfy the random/targeted issue and also the fast in and out. They broke in fast, didn't find the winnings but did find Jayme unexpectedly. Maybe that is why LE checked out the Casino so quickly after they were notified of the crime. But anybody following them out etc. would have been picked up on surveillance cameras, wouldn't they?

 

[ilovechili]

This scenario would satisfy the random/targeted issue and also the fast in and out. They broke in fast, didn't find the winnings but did find Jayme unexpectedly. Maybe that is why LE checked out the Casino so quickly after they were notified of the crime. But anybody following them out etc. would have been picked up on surveillance cameras, wouldn't they?

 

[ilovechili]

I am new and am not sure I am doing replies and threads right. Still trying to figure it out. But yes, I thought of that too, however, any regular at a casino (any casino) knows about cameras and again if just a distance or they had someone sitting across the street in a car and were looking for someone who won (the other person in the casino in contact with them)....? It is just a thought. There is also the possibility that if something like this is possible LE does know but is not sharing it with the public.

 

[daisy6441]

This scenario would satisfy the random/targeted issue and also the fast in and out. They broke in fast, didn't find the winnings but did find Jayme unexpectedly. Maybe that is why LE checked out the Casino so quickly after they were notified of the crime. But anybody following them out etc. would have been picked up on surveillance cameras, wouldn't they?

In the beginning I assumed the casino was a lot closer than it actually is. Fourteen miles or so away is a stretch for using surveillance cameras. But now they say they have footage in a thirty mile radius (I believe). It now does seem odd to have thought of it so quickly.

 

[ilovechili]

I am new and am not sure I am doing replies and threads right. Still trying to figure it out. But yes, I thought of that too, however, any regular at a casino (any casino) knows about cameras and again if just a distance or they had someone sitting across the street in a car and were looking for someone who won (the other person in the casino in contact with them)....? It is just a thought. There is also the possibility that if something like this is possible LE does know but is not sharing it with the public.

it could also explain two cars of interest. the one calls the one not on camera and says "follow these people" they just hit a jackpot. and then the other follows a bit later? the 2nd one could also leave and go the other way and then go through the village and come out away from cameras down hwy 8 on a back road. i know it may sound far fetched lol but no more than any theory i have had or many others have had.

 

[ilovechili]

In the beginning I assumed the casino was a lot closer than it actually is. Fourteen miles or so away is a stretch for using surveillance cameras. But now they say they have footage in a thirty mile radius (I believe). It now does seem odd to have thought of it so quickly.

I had not heard that. I can believe between gas stations and home cams/deer cams etc. that could be true. I do not think the casino's would go that far but who knows? It might mean nothing but I find it interesting at least on the call log it shows calling the casino. Barron is much, much closer and I am unsure about cameras but I would assume at least Kwik Trip in Barron has one. Gas drive-offs, etc. No calls to the gas stations in Turtle Lake either. At least not on the log which may mean not a dam__ single thing. But the call to the casino simply could have been they are going to have the best cameras in this rural area of anyone around so it would be the first place and most likely place to request video from. Things like this do not happen there so what in the area might have brought someone like that to their house?

 

[Gardener1850]

I don't know if this has been posted yet but the Sheriff said in an article today that the neighbor's account of gunshots is unsubstantiated:

The Closs' neighbor, Joan Smrekar, told USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin that she and her husband heard two gunshots around 12:30 a.m. on Oct. 15. At 12:58 a.m., a 911 call came in from Denise's phone. But the dispatcher wasn't able to connect with the caller, so it's unclear who actually dialed 911.

Fitzgerald said the neighbors' account of gunshots is unsubstantiated, and nothing points to shots going off around that time. He's unsure why their time frame differs from investigators'.

"There’s nothing to show that somebody was in the house for 20 minutes," he said.

Read more: 'You almost never see this': 5 questions about the Jayme Closs disappearance

 

[Bluepopsicle]

A new story in the Green Bay Gazette today. I needed an icognito or VPN window to access it, but it could be because I’m up in Canada, hopefullly most of you won’t need to do anything special if you want to view it.

Really nothing new in there, just a summary of what’s been hashed over and over and over

'You almost never see this': 5 questions about the Jayme Closs disappearance

 

[Bluepopsicle]

Whoopsie, my apologies for my last post! I see you beat me by a minute there Gardener!!

Thanks

 

[Gardener1850]

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) – A tree lighting ceremony is slated to be held this week in honor of Jayme Closs, the 13-year-old girl who’s been missing for nearly two months from her western Wisconsin home, where her parents were found murdered inside.

The “Tree of Hope” ceremony is slated for Wednesday night at Riverview Middle School in Barron, Wisconsin, which is about 90 miles east of the Twin Cities.

The tree-lighting service will include a message of hope and comments from Barron County Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald, whose department is heading the search for the missing teen.

Tree Lighting Ceremony To Be Held In Honor Of Jayme Closs

 

[rainynights]

Barron County Sheriff's Department | 12/10/2018 9:49am (CST)

This case remains the #1 priority of the Sheriff's Dept and we still have the FBI and DCI on site working the case with us. There is nothing new to report but we continue to follow up on leads and we are trying to build a longer timeline of their lives through digital and social records in hopes of leading us to a clue. Keep the Hope alive and we will bring Jayme home.

Thank you all for the continued support and hope to see everyone out on Wednesday for this event.

Sheriff Fitzgerald

 

[ilovechili]

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I don't know if this has been posted yet but the Sheriff said in an article today that the neighbor's account of gunshots is unsubstantiated:



Read more: 'You almost never see this': 5 questions about the Jayme Closs disappearance

Wow if that does not cause a million questions in a million different directions.

 

[human]

James in the doorway has me wondering some things.

1. An article in the previous thread said that the door had bullet holes.

2. The dispatcher log says the door was kicked in.

3. The officer(s) on the scene thought possible suicide.

4. They saw his feet in the doorway .

5. The dispatcher log says multiple bullet casings

Questions.

1. Were the bullet casings inside or outside of the house

2. Was the door shot with bullets?

3. Why did they think it was suicide with the door kicked in?

4. What’s up with the neighbor gunshot report?

 

[Gardener1850]

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Wow if that does not cause a million questions in a million different directions.

There have been hints of the neighbors account being incorrect since the beginning:

1. LE never mentioned the neighbors as witnesses before, never mentioned anyone heard 12:31 gunshots at all. It never came up in a press conference.

2. The sheriff said "If it does not come from this podium, it is not credible information" while the neighbors went on their media rounds and made money from the gossip rags like Radar and Daily Mail.

3. The sheriff asked for witnesses who were on Hwy 8 from 12:30 to 1:30 the night of the crime. This time frame did not account for shots heard at 12:31-- as they would assumingly want witnesses for a good amount of time before the first shots were fired that could have seen cars driving towards the house.

4. The sheriff specifically said on the Dryden radio interview the perp or perps were in the house for a very short time and "it's not as if they were in the house for 25 minutes" (my paraphrase).

5. There was evidence of more than 2 gunshots at the scene. LEOs reported "Multiple rounds spent" before finding Denise's body. We saw the chair that looked like it had been shot or had a bullet in it.

6. The neighbors story constantly changed -- They were asleep, then they were not asleep just in bed, then they they went outside at one point but didn't hear or see anything. First the second shot was louder, then the second shot was more muffled. At one point they said 2:31 instead of 12:31. It was a big gun or it was a hand gun, it might have been a car backfiring. They didn't know the family had kids but they saw Jayme getting off the school bus every day. Etc, Etc. The contradictions were all over the place-- the only thing that stayed the same was 2 gunshots and that doesn't match what we know about the scene.

I'm glad Fitzgerald finally came out and said the neighbors' story is unsubstantiated. MOO.

 

[Rosiebones]

Not sure of the mechanical reasons a car would backfire but I associate a rapid deceleration (decelerating in front of the neighbor's house) with backfires, especially in older model cars. The first louder one and then the quieter one as the car passed. Then the car turned into JC's driveway. OR it kept on going and had nothing to do with the crime. OR it never happened at all. The last gives me pause because the neighbors would have to be on their game to make up the story in anticipation of monetary gain in such a short uncertain time.
I'm going with the first and thinking about it being a noise they heard but mislabeled as gunshots.
A question; When looking at the Closs home from the road is this neighbor on the left or the right?

 

[cluciano63]

LE may also be able to tell that the number of gun shots and where they were fired from (near door) shows that if a neighbor heard any, they would have heard all, i.e ...meaning if for example six shots were fired and the perp never really entered into the home to any extent, that two shots only being heard makes no sense.
An example only.

 

[OhThatVictoria]

There have been hints of the neighbors account being incorrect since the beginning:

1. LE never mentioned the neighbors as witnesses before, never mentioned anyone heard 12:31 gunshots at all. It never came up in a press conference.

2. The sheriff said "If it does not come from this podium, it is not credible information" while the neighbors went on their media rounds and made money from the gossip rags like Radar and Daily Mail.

3. The sheriff asked for witnesses who were on Hwy 8 from 12:30 to 1:30 the night of the crime. This time frame did not account for shots heard at 12:31-- as they would assumingly want witnesses for a good amount of time before the first shots were fired that could have seen cars driving towards the house.

4. The sheriff specifically said on the Dryden radio interview the perp or perps were in the house for a very short time and "it's not as if they were in the house for 25 minutes" (my paraphrase).

5. There was evidence of more than 2 gunshots at the scene. LEOs reported "Multiple rounds spent" before finding Denise's body. We saw the chair that looked like it had been shot or had a bullet in it.

6. The neighbors story constantly changed -- They were asleep, then they were not asleep just in bed, then they they went outside at one point but didn't hear or see anything. First the second shot was louder, then the second shot was more muffled. At one point they said 2:31 instead of 12:31. It was a big gun or it was a hand gun, it might have been a car backfiring. They didn't know the family had kids but they saw Jayme getting off the school bus every day. Etc, Etc. The contradictions were all over the place-- the only thing that stayed the same was 2 gunshots and that doesn't match what we know about the scene.

I'm glad Fitzgerald finally came out and said the neighbors' story is unsubstantiated. MOO.

Ugh. Yes. Finally. So I imagine what “the FBI told them” is also malarkey. (Reminder: “help” is the only discernible word on the 911 audio tape.)

 

[Gardener1850]

Ugh. Yes. Finally. So I imagine what “the FBI told them” is also malarkey. (Reminder: “help” is the only discernible word on the 911 audio tape.)

Of course it is. The FBI is not going to tell possible witnesses they are interviewing that kind of info about a 911 call that hasn't been released. What reason would the FBI have to disclose the contents of the 911 call to the neighbors? I gave these neighbors a lot of slack before. I allowed for the possibility that they might have memory issues from old age or simply be mistaken on the time they heard the shots. But now that the sheriff has come right out and said their account is unsubstantiated and does not match with investigators findings I'm ignoring the neighbors completely. Seems they wanted attention and a little money. And their ramblings may have hindered a double homicide and kidnapping investigation. They get no more sympathy from me. I'm with Fitzgerald: Their account is unsubstantiated.
MOO.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Ugh. Yes. Finally. So I imagine what “the FBI told them” is also malarkey. (Reminder: “help” is the only discernible word on the 911 audio tape.)

I have questioned the statements made by these neighbors from the beginning. Too chatty for my liking.

Opinion and speculation only.

 

[cluciano63]

I do not dismiss the neighbors...just think they may have been really off on the time, or what they heard...or even which night. The “excitement” of the news of a double murder may have factored in...jmo