AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #31

[kay74]

I feel that the KEY could be found by tracking a conversation that was taken place at the Birthday Party and finding someone that left the party early or was visually upset near the end of that Birthday Party..

I'm sure they interviewed people at that party over and over. I doubt if Denise said anything that upset someone so much, they got into a rage like this. I'm thinking it was someone at that plant. I have no idea if they investigated the people there.

 

[Rosiebones]

Has there every been a complete, verified list of who was present at the party? It has always been, in my experience, an opportunity for the adults to sit around and catch up on everyone elses' activities and goings ons. If Denise's brother had been there he may be referencing something that occurred there or there could have been conversation about something that occurred previously and was being talked about there. That may be why they aren't talking, by request of LE. LE may know who and even why, but cannot prove it yet. One thing for sure, we won't make any headway down that road.

 

[IceIce9]

Has there every been a complete, verified list of who was present at the party? It has always been, in my experience, an opportunity for the adults to sit around and catch up on everyone elses' activities and goings ons. If Denise's brother had been there he may be referencing something that occurred there or there could have been conversation about something that occurred previously and was being talked about there. That may be why they aren't talking, by request of LE. LE may know who and even why, but cannot prove it yet. One thing for sure, we won't make any headway down that road.

I haven’t seen any detail at all about the party, whether it was large or small, family only or friends too.

In fact, the first few reports I saw had referred to it as a family gathering” and one said, “family reunion” So when it was clarified to “birthday party” I still had the idea in my head that it was a family party rather than friends and family. But MOO.

 

[Steelslady]

Lilli is not wrong. That interview took place and Jayme's uncle looked like he was about to fly apart, wanted to say something, was fighting not to blurt out what he was thinking. He managed "I have a gut feeling, yes an idea" then his voice trailed off, he shook his head and remained silent. That interview exists now online, I saw it yesterday, but it has been edited and re-cut and now excludes that exchange with him. Which in itself is very interesting. Going back on these threads to find the link is pointless, IMO, because it will merely take you to that interview, which has since been re-edited.

I saw that, too. He was chomping at the bit, wanting to speak about his thoughts about what happened, but never did. I wonder if the person interviewing him just let it go and didn't ask him to elaborate, or if he did speak his thoughts and it was kept out of the interview.

There was also an interview with Jim's brother and sister. The brother stated that when he first heard about the murders and Jayme's disappearance, his first thought was "What did Jim do". Not saying that Jim did anything at all, of course, but that came from his own brother's mouth.

Makes me wonder if both families suspect the same scenario with a certain person as a suspect. Perhaps it might have been someone Jim and Denise didn't approve of being around Jayme, and it escalated to this. Her parents might have tried to protect her from a bad character, and that person may have been angry that he was cut off from seeing Jayme, possibly as a friend from school or something.

I ponder this case a lot during daily chores. It just breaks my heart that a couple was brutally murdered, their daughter is still missing, and not one blessed trace of her, nor any evidence to help LE find her, was left behind. I am sure we are all feeling this way. For Jayme's sake, if she is still alive, I pray she is ok and well and not being abused or tortured. If she is deceased, I pray she is found soon.

 

[Cardinal47]

I think when and if we ever find out what happened that night we will all be surprised!

 

[Steelslady]

lol, from one nut to another, these things were on there. i am not going to argue it with others all day but i know what i saw. a unit was sent to an almena address and i googled it in fact.

the school contact was also on there.

i have repeated it enough. suffice it to say, no one will change my mind on this and others remember it as well. well you and other nuts

on that note, I will move on to more nothing for facts to talk about...

Yes, they were on there but removed for some reason. Annoying because a lot of us saw this, yet there's no original log showing this information posted on here unfortunately. We all know what we saw and read. It was on there for sure. I can't prove it and won't even try to change anyone's mind who doesn't believe us, because I understand that seeing is believing.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Has there every been a complete, verified list of who was present at the party? It has always been, in my experience, an opportunity for the adults to sit around and catch up on everyone elses' activities and goings ons. If Denise's brother had been there he may be referencing something that occurred there or there could have been conversation about something that occurred previously and was being talked about there. That may be why they aren't talking, by request of LE. LE may know who and even why, but cannot prove it yet. One thing for sure, we won't make any headway down that road.

One of the first things, LE did, was asking publicly, if someone had/did know about a dispute with James or Denise (similar wording). That I found verrry unusual at the time. So I think, some of the party visitors may have known something mysterious and told LE.

 

[JenniD]

Yes, they were on there but removed for some reason. Annoying because a lot of us saw this, yet there's no original log showing this information posted on here unfortunately. We all know what we saw and read. It was on there for sure. I can't prove it and won't even try to change anyone's mind who doesn't believe us, because I understand that seeing is believing.

I went back last night and revisited the interviews with denises' sisters and brother. I remember the brothers comments distinctively and remember his body language. It HAS been cut from the tape

 

[1987]

I have reviewed the log that was saved to hard drive shortly after it was released. the log does not appear to have changed. I also remember the info you guys are talking about. only thing I can think of is that there is other information that is or was out there in addition to the log. I agree recorded interviews have been edited or are completely gone. I cant explain it. if each of us remembered something a little different then I would think we were forgetful, but forgetting and remembering as a group?

 

[Steelslady]

I went back last night and revisited the interviews with denises' sisters and brother. I remember the brothers comments distinctively and remember his body language. It HAS been cut from the tape

I know. Not sure why they cut it out- many people saw the interview and know what he said, saw his body language. I am sure out there in YouTube land, there is a copy of the original interview, but I am not going to look for it. He clearly had a scenario in mind and for all we know, he could be right.

 

[ilovechili]

Yes, they were on there but removed for some reason. Annoying because a lot of us saw this, yet there's no original log showing this information posted on here unfortunately. We all know what we saw and read. It was on there for sure. I can't prove it and won't even try to change anyone's mind who doesn't believe us, because I understand that seeing is believing.

Thank you. The same here, I can't prove it but I know it as do many others including yourself. Somewhere someone on this earth did screen shots... I hope they see this and contact me lol

 

[1987]

I am feeling like LE knows a whole lot more than we think. that the family seeming held back and not doing many interviews is extreme fear. that things are now being editied to protect people, the family and others that have had their names and or addresses published.

 

[ilovechili]

I have reviewed the log that was saved to hard drive shortly after it was released. the log does not appear to have changed. I also remember the info you guys are talking about. only thing I can think of is that there is other information that is or was out there in addition to the log. I agree recorded interviews have been edited or are completely gone. I cant explain it. if each of us remembered something a little different then I would think we were forgetful, but forgetting and remembering as a group?

I hope we all remember these comments in a month or two and remember how many of us agree these things were there lol.

 

[Julia966]

I don't know if this video has been linked (if so, my apologies) but it's Jim's brother and SIL, and vague ideas of someone at work and/or money issues.

 

[PommyMommy]

Does anyone else remember reading in the call log that they saw James feet sticking out of the doorway on their approach to what they thought was s suicide? Does anyone else remember reading, again, in the call log that they contacted Jayme's school resource officer to ascertain that there WAS a juvenile in the Closs home because they came upon her room? These and other items are what I remember reading but now cannot find in the call log. It says they issued whatever it was that they issued re missing juvenile at 0317? Why the time discrepancy? The call log says nothing about these two things and I remember reading both. TIA

I don’t remember reading those things in the call log, but I can tell you that the statement that officers saw feet came from an Oct. 22 episode of the Ashleigh Banfield show. Sheriff Fitzgerald said the responding officers saw an open door and what they believed were feet. Ashleigh was actually the one who used the words “sticking out of the open door.” Here is the transcript of that episode:

CNN.com - Transcripts

Excerpt:

FITZGERALD: Well, in some degree, I can. And again, the logs that we released aren`t always the evidence that`s collected at the scene. They`re the first initial appearance that an officer goes through. But yeah, our -- the initial appearance with an officer were obviously some kind of commotion, as you stated, last week in the show. Our officers responded, pulled into the driveway, and saw an open door and then saw what they believed to be feet. And then responded up there and found the bodies of James Closs and then went in the house and found Denise Closs.

BANFIELD: How far -- how far -- yeah, how far in the house was Denise Closs? If James Closs was found at the door, and as you just mentioned, I think that`s the first I`ve heard of this, sir, that when you`re officers responded, they could see his feet from the driveway sticking out of the open door of the home. Is that correct?

FITZGERALD: I don`t know exactly where they -- when they picked him up on site. I don`t know if they pulled in the driveway or when they exactly saw them, but the door was ajar. And I can`t comment on where Denise was found in the house. But I think going to any scene like that, that`s what we train our officers to do is their first initial observations and that`s why that`s collected in that call log.

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It was reported in MSM that deputies contacted a school liason officer. Here is one example:

New Video Surveillance Search Expanded, Electronic Device Detecting K-9 Used in Jayme Closs Search
“At that time, deputies didn't know if anyone else lived there. They contacted a school liaison officer who said the Closs' had a daughter. That's when investigators realized the 13-year-old eighth-grader was missing.

The dispatch record showed reinforcements were immediately called: a command post was set up, a search team, drone and forensic mapping went to work. The FBI was called in and security at the nearby St. Croix Casino notified. A statewide alert was put out.”

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Original call log:

 

[Wells]

I want to believe she is alive but I also want to believe LE has an idea of who did this and those two things seem a little contradictory. If LE has an idea, why haven't they executed a search warrant? If they have an idea, even without physical evidence, they could probably get a search warrant. Furthermore, if they have an idea of who did this, but do not know where she is, that is equally confusing. Someone would have had to visit her at least once since she went missing. I can't imagine anyone having over two months of food on hand. I truly do not think she is dead, but I am looking for ideas on how she could be alive? Unless LE really has no idea who did this... Thoughts?

 

[Julia966]

One thing that occurs to me...if Jim was in the doorway, to the point that officers could see him as they approached, you'd think he would be blocking the door. Did the perp(s) and Jayme go out through another door then? Or step right over him?

Arg, so awful. I was really hoping for something last night.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Thank you. The same here, I can't prove it but I know it as do many others including yourself. Somewhere someone on this earth did screen shots... I hope they see this and contact me lol

I saved an early copy of the 911 call log that still had names etc. What are we specifically looking for? Sorry but I haven't been focused as much here.

 

[ilovechili]

With regard to the brother and his upset and the interview, I would just like to say that sisters often share things with brothers, sometimes that they do not share with sisters. That is true of me. <modsnip: borders on sleuthing family> Anyone who comes from a big family knows different siblings are closer to others depending on birth order and age. Although that can change as years pass. Often too we look to brothers when we are scared, particularly if we do not want to worry our fathers as they get older. Just random thinking out loud....

 

[rosesfromangels]

I want to believe she is alive but I also want to believe LE has an idea of who did this and those two things seem a little contradictory. If LE has an idea, why haven't they executed a search warrant? If they have an idea, even without physical evidence, they could probably get a search warrant. Furthermore, if they have an idea of who did this, but do not know where she is, that is equally confusing. Someone would have had to visit her at least once since she went missing. I can't imagine anyone having over two months of food on hand. I truly do not think she is dead, but I am looking for ideas on how she could be alive? Unless LE really has no idea who did this... Thoughts?

LE simply can not tip their hand on the ongoing investigation.

My amateur speculation is that they are running forensic studies, working with a Carrier on cell info, analyzing online data, continuing ongoing interviews of many people, reviewing the Closs family financial docs and communications, and probably have more than a couple people under surveillance. This all takes time. If they find Jayme during the course of their investigation, they will move swiftly, I have no doubt.

Otherwise, they will work with the DA to insure they have enough for a conviction prior to an arrest(s). I’d say given the timeline, things are on track.

Like many cases, we will log in to be stunned that, without indication, an arrest has been made. Hopefully, that will accompany an announcement that our little teen has been recovered alive.

Amateur opinion and speculation