AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #9

[Jethro4WS]

I have a question on the 911 dispatch log. It says date of last contact for Jayme was 10/15/2018. Does that mean someone had contact with her on that date or do they just use the date of disappearance?

Good question!

 

[pepper 34]

I'm skipping up from Thread 8 to here because I can't keep up with you sleuths. Anyway, this may have already been addressed... people keep saying it can't be a debt because killing the person or persons who owe money guarantees the debt can't ever be collected. I see it differently. The debt CAN be collected and maybe WAS collected... if you consider taking Jayme the only payoff you can get out of these people who owe you money. Jayme might be the way the debt got paid off if the person owed is a very twisted minded person. In his world Jayme might be a very valuable commodity. Dad and Mom might have just become too much trouble to deal with anymore.
I have another theory, too, about the father's red truck.
The father's red truck is parked a good ways down the driveway. I think, when he arrived home, something tipped him off that all was not right in the house. Maybe there was a suspect vehicle up closer to the house. He may have shut down his truck lights and turned off the motor to his truck so he could approach his own home quietly and unseen to try and see what was going on. Of course, I don't know their parking habits but there is enough room to park 2 trucks down the driveway, closer to the house on the left hand side of his wife's car.

 

[JaneEyre]

One thing about the question of James working that day is that I noticed in the article they paraphrase the family member who said he was at work instead of directly quoting him. My sister works swing shift, odd hours, and I could see me saying she couldn't attend a family get together "because of work" even if she wasn't working, but was actually having to sleep at that time because of a weird shift the day before or that night. And I could see a reporter reporting it as me saying she was at work.

So I don't even feel like, without seeing direct quotes, we even know it was said he was working during the family get together. And of course, he could have been working somewhere other than the factory that day. He could have been earning extra cash by cutting firewood with a friend, for instance.

 

[Mandie K]

The really eerie part to all this is how silent the family and coworkers are. I mean lots of families aren't really that close and maybe just see each other on holidays. But you would think at least a couple of them would be trying to get the message out as much as possible. They would be fighting to get on air etc. Also the fact that the coworkers have been relatively quiet as well is so weird. Either they've been told to stay quiet by the FBI or something else.

Exactly!! In these cases everyone speaks out!!!

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Jennie-O shifts:


1st 06:00-15:00

2nd 15:00-midnite

Hours are subject to change without a lot of notice, and or overtime which is plentiful, also a lot of 6 day workweeks.

 

[coffeeandacig]

3 things that stood out to me from Whiskers awesome post...

"The Smrekars reported hearing two high-powered gunshots after 12:30 a.m. Monday."
"Where deputies found the bullet-riddled bodies"
The family’s dog was alive inside the residence when deputies responded.

Why only 2 shots heard, if the bodies were "riddled" with bullets?
Riddled bodies = overkill. It was personal.
Dog alive and unharmed? Dogs act on instinct to protect their pack and would attack a stranger...

 

[Lady Justice21]

Welcome to WS, miles414!

It stood out to me (and other posters) as well, so you are not the only one. IMO, if JC/DC family had ties to that area (i.e., a cabin, friends, family, etc--we don't know, so just speculating), and if LE learned of a connection like that after their murders, it would make sense to want to notify the respective county just in case perp(s) were to flee to that area with JLC. Jmo​

Anyone know where the hunting cabin is located the Closs family has used? Not sure if it's a family cabin or rental.

 

[DexterMorgan]

If you want the safe return of 13 year old Jayme. Then your baby $1k reward while spending $500k manhour searches just doesn't sound believable.

<modsnip - not victim friendly>

 

[BeeGirl]

Photo from the opening timeline Whiskers posted:

I had not seen this exact view of the house before but this photo brought up a few questions. I see a car parked over by the deck. I'm assuming this is a LE car but it got me wondering if their driveway wraps behind the house and next to the deck. Could the perp have parked near where that car is located or behind the house?

My other question on this photo is on the trash can directly behind dad's truck. Do we think LE would have moved the trashcan there? If not, why would dad essentially pull off of the driveway and back up that close to the to the trashcan? Or why park there under the tree at all? It might have been practical to let Denise out of the driveway the next day but it seems sort of far from the house. She could just as easily get out if he had parked next to her/in front of the other garage. Would LE have moved the vehicles for some reason when they processed the scene?

When my grandpa died, the cars had to be moved for the ambulance/coroner stretcher access. May have had to do the same here.

 

[Mandie K]

But why? Unless they are talking to the captors who have made that demand?

All cases like this they are told not to speak to the media. But most still do ie: NG every night and most times it’s people who aren’t even directly connected. With this case i hear nothing but crickets. I think it’s very unusual. IMO

 

[not.a.muggle]

I have a question on the 911 dispatch log. It says date of last contact for Jayme was 10/15/2018. Does that mean someone had contact with her on that date or do they just use the date of disappearance?

Perhaps they include contact as hearing her voice on the call?

 

[dotinthedesert]

After looking at the fact post, I have one question I feel like hasn't been adequately answered - WHY was the Ontonagon County Sheriff Dept. contacted? They're at least 6 or 7 hours from Barron. Does this have to do with a suspect?

Thats what I would like to know, as well. Its probably 200 miles , m/l, but "why" Ontonagon County? So (seemingly) random.

 

[pinkfly]

Sorry, I dont know how to quote from a previous page, but in post #563 pinkfly wrote: Also because of the unanswered 911 call and call back the operator advised that it was a possible suicide....this was not decided after they saw the scene as some have reported.

The log reads:
1:03 329 advised of a possible suicide attempt. requested assistance from Barron PD. Advised 656.
I read this as meaning 329 told the dispatcher it could be a suicide attempt, and requested PD assistance, then the dispatcher contacted the PD.
Does this mean instead, that the dispatcher advised 329 it is a possible suicide attempt? And then who requested PD assistance? That would still need to be 329, right? And they were contacted by dispatch?

@Wrenny you are so right. My bad. I was thinking there was no time stamp on that and it was part of initial call and call out but you are correct it is 5 minutes later so it is that officer reporting it as he first saw it. I tried to go back and delete that line but with the thread closed I couldn't edit.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Photo from the opening timeline Whiskers posted:

I had not seen this exact view of the house before but this photo brought up a few questions. I see a car parked over by the deck. I'm assuming this is a LE car but it got me wondering if their driveway wraps behind the house and next to the deck. Could the perp have parked near where that car is located or behind the house?

My other question on this photo is on the trash can directly behind dad's truck. Do we think LE would have moved the trashcan there? If not, why would dad essentially pull off of the driveway and back up that close to the to the trashcan? Or why park there under the tree at all? It might have been practical to let Denise out of the driveway the next day but it seems sort of far from the house. She could just as easily get out if he had parked next to her/in front of the other garage. Would LE have moved the vehicles for some reason when they processed the scene?

I don't have a link to it handy but you posted a video earlier that showed the medical examiner in the driveway. Is the trash can visible behind the truck in that video?

 

[kas]

Photo from the opening timeline Whiskers posted:

I had not seen this exact view of the house before but this photo brought up a few questions. I see a car parked over by the deck. I'm assuming this is a LE car but it got me wondering if their driveway wraps behind the house and next to the deck. Could the perp have parked near where that car is located or behind the house?

My other question on this photo is on the trash can directly behind dad's truck. Do we think LE would have moved the trashcan there? If not, why would dad essentially pull off of the driveway and back up that close to the to the trashcan? Or why park there under the tree at all? It might have been practical to let Denise out of the driveway the next day but it seems sort of far from the house. She could just as easily get out if he had parked next to her/in front of the other garage. Would LE have moved the vehicles for some reason when they processed the scene?

It kind of looks like they have two single car garage doors there. I think the two vehicles are the Closs family vehicles. I'm not sure anybody else notice the doors there?

 

[chihuahua]

If you're reading here and you know where Jayme is, do the decent thing.
You can remain anonymous.
This isn't going to go away.
It's likely to escalate.
Drop a tip, make a call, whatever you can do.
Chi

 

[Weeobanite]

Photo from the opening timeline Whiskers posted:

I had not seen this exact view of the house before but this photo brought up a few questions. I see a car parked over by the deck. I'm assuming this is a LE car but it got me wondering if their driveway wraps behind the house and next to the deck. Could the perp have parked near where that car is located or behind the house?

My other question on this photo is on the trash can directly behind dad's truck. Do we think LE would have moved the trashcan there? If not, why would dad essentially pull off of the driveway and back up that close to the to the trashcan? Or why park there under the tree at all? It might have been practical to let Denise out of the driveway the next day but it seems sort of far from the house. She could just as easily get out if he had parked next to her/in front of the other garage. Would LE have moved the vehicles for some reason when they processed the scene?

Do you think james might of come home and saw a strange vehicle parked outside the house and decided Park up the road a bit to go investigate? Seems a bit strange to be parked that far away, so maybe he had a feeling something wasn’t right and wanted to sneak up to the house without being heard.

 

[DexterMorgan]

There are numerous fundraisers in Jayme and the family name that has made numerous dollars combined.

Plus the parents employer may possibly pay for the parents funeral for good sake.

So why hasn't the reward been upgraded? Just asking.

 

[dotinthedesert]

Maybe only because I’m originally from the UP, but this also really stood out to me. I’ve been surprised this hasn’t caught more attention here.

Im from that county which is why it stood out to me. The casinos up there are not in Ontonagon County..... theres really nothing there unless someone had a hunting cabin up there, MOO.

 

[Mandie K]

All cases like this they are told not to speak to the media. But most still do ie: NG every night and most times it’s people who aren’t even directly connected. With this case i hear nothing but crickets. I think it’s very unusual. IMO

Good point.