Ducks?
It's a saying, it means having your affairs in order- having your responsibilities taken care of
Ducks?
Where was it said she didn't have her ducks in a row?In giving this thought after not thinking about this case for awhile, it seems there would be easier (less painful) ways to end your life. If it was suicide, the timing and the place don't really make sense. I also think that if it was suicide, she'd have had all her ducks in a row.
Yes, I understood the expression -- a bit flippant, under the circumstances. Perhaps I should have asked the poster if s/he had knowledge that this had not been done.It's a saying, it means having your affairs in order- having your responsibilities taken care of
It certainly was not meant to be flippant.Yes, I understood the expression -- a bit flippant, under the circumstances. Perhaps I should have asked the poster if s/he had knowledge that this had not been done.
Its maddening because we are never going to know. There is evidence on both sides: There is no evidence of a traditional car-jacking or abduction such as use of the car in another crime or use of her ATM cards or credit cards. Location of the car was not in a traditionally high crime area. Location of the car was not in an area with easy escape access like public transit or a secluded road etc.. The car was on fire which could suggest an attempt to cover your tracks, or could be the means of the suicide, or could have been an accident that occurred after death by drug overdose. She was found in the passenger seat which suggests she didn't drive there, or could also be related to use of items in her glove box, such as the method of suicide like drugs. She was not so far off her intended route which suggests she did set out to go to the game that day. And of course all the evidence LE has that they haven't released.It certainly was not meant to be flippant.
Did she leave a note to anyone? Was there a will?
And this is the biggest thing and I'm going to get hammered for this.....but why take her car with her? But I tend to be too practical. (The car could have been left for one of the grands).
I'm just stating reasons why I'm leaning away from suicide. You certainly don't need to agree but I can assure you there is nothing flippant about this situation or how I see it.
In my opinion, she was the only target. In the perps mind, mission accomplished. Therefore, no danger to anyone else. This is a complex crime to solve but I do not believe it is unsolvable. The perp will become over confident and cocky, make a mistake, let something slip, raise suspicions, etc. LE is biding their time and will be well prepared to nail the perp to a wall when the time comes.
Send us a sign Kathleen so we can help you rest easy.
I apologize. I was flippant in my assessment. Sorry for that.It certainly was not meant to be flippant.
Did she leave a note to anyone? Was there a will?
And this is the biggest thing and I'm going to get hammered for this.....but why take her car with her? But I tend to be too practical. (The car could have been left for one of the grands).
I'm just stating reasons why I'm leaning away from suicide. You certainly don't need to agree but I can assure you there is nothing flippant about this situation or how I see it.
I apologize. I was flippant in my assessment. Sorry for that.
Why take the car? It provided the mobility, and thus the seclusion, and the confined space -- if she did use it as some of us suspect.
If you go back to the beginning of this thread, there have been legitimate arguements why this could have been a suicide, why it could not, why it could have been a homocide, why it couldn't, what may have happened and why.
What interests me is why others hold the opinions that they do; why, then, ridiculous?Everyone has their own opinion. Mine is that suicide is ridiculous.
Suicide statistics from AFSP
Firearms 50.6 %
Suffocation 27.7%
Poisoning 13.9 %
Other 7.8%
Has it been stated that LE considers this a "closed" case? I tend to believe it highly "unlikely" she committed suicide in this way. But, if given a choice (which I believe she had, if suicide), I would definitely choose water, sleeping pills, hanging, or anything over pouring gasoline on myself and striking a match. But, we have all seen in the news where people have set themselves on fire to draw attention to some sort of cause they were promoting or to make some kind of statement.
Where did she obtain the gas to do something like this? I have never carried extra gasoline in my car, but maybe some do.
Her family would know if she had quantities of gasoline in her vehicle (cans missing from garage, etc) or LE would know if she stopped somewhere on the way and filled up gas cans. They will also know whether or not she suffered with depression or if there was a new worry in her life for some reason (i.e., health issues).
To me, this is one of the most perplexing cases (along with the Dermond case) on WS. I, for one, have to wrestle with common sense in order to believe she committed suicide in this way. But there it is. I admit I haven't a clue.
My first inclination when I read about the time difference between when Kathleen was supposed to arrive at the game and when the burning car was found was maybe a candle was used to start the car on fire. Candle burns down and eventually starts a fire.
JMO
There has been no conformation that gasoline was used in this case or at least that information has never been made public. I would think if an accelerate was used the Fire Department would been able to detect that. One would think they would have tested for it. If you poured gas over yourself inside of a car with the windows closed it would likely cause an explosion when ignited. The force from the explosion would buckle the roof and blow most if not all of the windows out. Glass from the windows would be propelled away from the car. Glass lying ten or fifteen feet from a car burning car would not be normal had the car just started on fire or had been set on fire not using an accelerate.
Someone planning on buying gas to pour over themselves doesn't need to use a 'red gas can', any container would do such as a soda bottle or even a travel mug. If she did stop that day to purchase gas and paid cash there would be no record of the purchase on her bank account to lead LE in that direction. It would be impossible to look through every gas stations video footage from Milwalkee to Gurnee IL to see if she stopped somewhere that day to purchase gas.
She very well could have pulled into the driveway, got into the passenger seat, left the car running because it was cold outside, took some pills and passed out and the car started on fire on it's own perhaps from vegetation under the car. She was incapacitated at the time and didn't exit the car and her body was consumed by the fire. But apparently the toxicology report didn't show any drugs in her system or there was not a good enough sample of tissue to conclude that from the test.
My first inclination when I read about the time difference between when Kathleen was supposed to arrive at the game and when the burning car was found was maybe a candle was used to start the car on fire. Candle burns down and eventually starts a fire.
JMO