Found Deceased WI - Kodie Dutcher, 10, may be suicidal, Baraboo, 6 July 2020

[Clair Louise]

I think that ten year old's have to be in a very dark place to suicide.
Where did she get the pills?

 

[Seattle1]

Preliminary autopsy concludes Kodie Dutcher died from pharmacologic suicide

July 9, 2020

MADISON, Wis. (WMTV) - The preliminary findings from an autopsy found that 10-year-old Kodie Dutcher died due to pharmacologic suicide, the Baraboo Police Department announced Thursday.

The police department reports that there are no signs of foul play or physical abuse at this time.

As NBC15 News reported, an Amber Alert was issued for Dutcher Monday evening, and by late Tuesday morning, after scores of volunteers and law enforcement combed the Baraboo area, authorities announced that they had found Dutcher’s body in a rural farm area, not far from her Baraboo home.

The Baraboo Police Department says that the toxicology reports are pending and results typically take 2 weeks. The full autopsy report typically takes 45 days, but due to COVID-19, the full report may not be available for some time.

The investigation is still on-going.

ETA: Sorry. I really need to read that the preliminary results are now final.
I'm just getting a weird vibe with new information trickling out from mom and would feel better if I could read this death investigation is complete. Why does it feel like it's still on-going. I hope there were no surprises in the toxicology report and investigators are not considering additional charges against adults. That would be heartbreaking...

 

[Clair Louise]

Preliminary autopsy concludes Kodie Dutcher died from pharmacologic suicide

I'm just getting a weird vibe with new information trickling out from mom and would feel better if I could read this death investigation is complete. Why does it feel like it's still on-going. I hope there were no surprises in the toxicology report and investigators are not considering additional charges against adults. That would be heartbreaking...

Snipped by me. I cant see how a ten year old could have access to life threatening drugs. What were they and where were they stored?

 

[Seattle1]

I think that ten year old's have to be in a very dark place to suicide.
Where did she get the pills?

I was actually OK with investigators not sharing any details and accepted that Kodi's preliminary manner of death was pharmacologic suicide and her cause of death was a drug overdose. It appears KD took adult medication she found inside the apartment she shared with her mom.

I'm getting a bad vibe that the toxicology reports might have investigators questioning things. Were there illicit drugs that showed up in the final results? You can't have that stuff around your house and your child end up dead.

I don't understand why mom is wanting to give out details that were best kept private, imo. I'm worried for her.

MOO

 

[Clair Louise]

I was actually OK with investigators not sharing any details and accepted that Kodi's preliminary manner of death was pharmacologic suicide and her cause of death was a drug overdose. It appears KD took adult medication she found inside the apartment she shared with her mom.

I'm getting a bad vibe that the toxicology reports might have investigators questioning things. Were there illicit drugs that showed up in the final results? You can't have that stuff around your house and your child end up dead.

I don't understand why mom is wanting to give out details that were best kept private, imo. I'm worried for her.

MOO

You can have that stuff in your house, but not have it accessible to a child. Where was it stored and why did a ten year old know that she could kill herself with it?

 

[glamourkitty1922]

You can have that stuff in your house, but not have it accessible to a child. Where was it stored and why did a ten year old know that she could kill herself with it?

She probably Googled it. It doesn't have to be illicit. It could even have been an OTC drug.

 

[MissUnderstood]

At 15 I overdosed on my mum’s medication. It was hidden in her room. I took whatever was there, didn’t know what it was at the time. She found me incoherent and took me to emergency. I had to drink this liquid chalk stuff. There were many different pills I had taken but paracetamol was what did the most damage. I don’t remember my exact frame of mind at the time, but I do remember I felt kinda lost but I know I did not want to commit suicide. Not sure if I wanted to just sleep or not feel inner pain but I didn’t want to die. I don’t think this young girl did this intentionally MOO

 

[Lusitana]

This case makes no sense. But unexpected suicides usually don't make sense either. I just hope Kodie isn't another Conner & Brinley Snyder. That case still messes me up to this day.

 

[Seattle1]

This case makes no sense. But unexpected suicides usually don't make sense either. I just hope Kodie isn't another Conner & Brinley Snyder. That case still messes me up to this day.

I've been really taken back since I watched mom's video interview. It's like she's done a complete reversal and I'm wondering what's motivating this after all these months. I don't think I'll be able to rest until I know whether or not this investigation is closed or still on-going. Does she suspect child endangerment charges?

“Mom, I love you but I can’t do it. Bye.”

To learn that KD left home with $50 and food, I'm questioning if the note was that she was running away after being on lockdown for months--presumably by herself while her mom worked.

I can't do it -- what? Go to the lake as planned, spend time with the new bf, spend another day in the apartment?

MOO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I'm baffled by the news KD took food and $50 with her when she left the house....

I've never read this detail before.

Mom says daughter made a mistake -- not suicide.

I'm perplexed. The note no longer makes sense.

Just tossing this out as a possibility. It allows for the note and the $50 and food. Kodie finds herself in a new place with little face-to-face interaction with anyone else but Mom. Mom is an essential worker who has to face the pandemic daily and cannot miss work. Kodie handles the new living situation, isolation, and pandemic fears okay for a while. Then one day she finds herself alone yet again, bored and lonely. She wants to feel anything but the monotony that has become her life. She wants a break just for a little while. So, she rummages around the apartment and finds some pills. The pills alter her state of mind, and suddenly the feelings about her situation that otherwise would have kept until Mom comes home, they emerge and she can't process them. In Kodie's altered state of mind, all she knows is she cannot stay in that apartment one minute longer. She quickly scribbles a note of apology for running off; she grabs the cash she can find and some food. She doesn't say where she's going in the note, because she doesn't know. She just knows she's got to leave the apartment. She grabs some more pills on the way out the door.

Perhaps the only action she chose to take (in an unaltered state of mind) was to try to find a way to temporarily not feel quite so (only she could fill in this blank) bored, lonely, isolated, whatever it was. Under different circumstances, she might have consumed alcohol and gotten sick. But she took what she could find, and it set in motion a disastrous chain of events.

Some psychotropic pharmaceuticals are not given to children. It's possible she could have gotten ahold of something that pushed her from a bored and somewhat blue state into a full on severe depression, and that but for the altered state caused by the pills, she and her Mom would have talked about things that evening.

What an absolutely HORRIBLE tragedy that is compounded by the fact that this is a loss of an only child, the only niece, the only grandchild. I can't begin to wrap my mind around the pain they are in. It's heartbreaking.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I'm baffled by the news KD took food and $50 with her when she left the house....

I've never read this detail before.

Mom says daughter made a mistake -- not suicide.

I'm perplexed. The note no longer makes sense.

Just tossing this out as a possibility. It allows for the note and the $50 and food. Kodie finds herself in a new place with little face-to-face interaction with anyone else but Mom. Mom is an essential worker who has to face the pandemic daily and cannot miss work. Kodie handles the new living situation, isolation, and pandemic fears okay for a while. Then one day she finds herself alone yet again, bored and lonely. She wants to feel anything but the monotony that has become her life. She wants a break just for a little while. So, she rummages around the apartment and finds some pills. The pills alter her state of mind, and suddenly the feelings about her situation that otherwise would have kept until Mom comes home, they emerge and she can't process them. In Kodie's altered state of mind, all she knows is she cannot stay in that apartment one minute longer. She quickly scribbles a note of apology for running off; she grabs the cash she can find and some food. She doesn't say where she's going in the note, because she doesn't know. She just knows she's got to leave the apartment. She grabs some more pills on the way out the door.

Perhaps the only action she chose to take (in an unaltered state of mind) was to try to find a way to temporarily not feel quite so (only she could fill in this blank) bored, lonely, isolated, whatever it was. Under different circumstances, she might have consumed alcohol and gotten sick. But she took what she could find, and it set in motion a disastrous chain of events.

Some psychotropic pharmaceuticals are not given to children. It's possible she could have gotten ahold of something that pushed her from a bored and somewhat blue state into a full on severe depression, and that but for the altered state caused by the pills, she and her Mom would have talked about things that evening.

What an absolutely HORRIBLE tragedy that is compounded by the fact that this is a loss of an only child, the only niece, the only grandchild. I can't begin to wrap my mind around the pain they are in. It's heartbreaking.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Snipped by me. I cant see how a ten year old could have access to life threatening drugs. What were they and where were they stored?

Even aspirin can end a life, requiring a surprisingly small amount too. We often think of opioids or sleeping pills, which are all possible hera. But it's also possible that she ingested something over the counter.

I really hope this tragedy doesn't get worse. But I have an unsettled feeling about it. I do wish they'd share what pharmaceutical(s) were found in her system.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I've been really taken back since I watched mom's video interview. It's like she's done a complete reversal and I'm wondering what's motivating this after all these months. I don't think I'll be able to rest until I know whether or not this investigation is closed or still on-going. Does she suspect child endangerment charges?

“Mom, I love you but I can’t do it. Bye.”

To learn that KD left home with $50 and food, I'm questioning if the note was that she was running away after being on lockdown for months--presumably by herself while her mom worked.

I can't do it -- what? Go to the lake as planned, spend time with the new bf, spend another day in the apartment?

MOO

You're right. Great point! She doesn't say I can't do this anymore. She says, "I can't do it." It almost seems like she's referring to a singular act or event. Unless by it she meant life. But then why take food and money?

I hope her digital footprint provides some clues for authorities. So sad!

 

[Lusitana]

I've been really taken back since I watched mom's video interview. It's like she's done a complete reversal and I'm wondering what's motivating this after all these months. I don't think I'll be able to rest until I know whether or not this investigation is closed or still on-going. Does she suspect child endangerment charges?

“Mom, I love you but I can’t do it. Bye.”

To learn that KD left home with $50 and food, I'm questioning if the note was that she was running away after being on lockdown for months--presumably by herself while her mom worked.

I can't do it -- what? Go to the lake as planned, spend time with the new bf, spend another day in the apartment?

MOO

Yes, it looks more like a kid trying to run away than a suicide. Her leaving her shoes behind doesn't make much sense in either scenario. It seems like some people (not mentioning who, because I'm trying to stay victim-friendly) has moved on really fast by going to social gatherings and such. This is very tragic, a 10-year-old is dead. She seemed like such a sweet kid from the pictures.
It seems like Kodie and her mother did a lot of moving around different states too. Nebraska, then Ohio, then Wisconsin. I was able to find some possible ties to Michigan and Missouri. Why move around so much?
The dad situation is also murky. He had to be somewhat involved at some point, or at least a father figure had too, because she didn't have her mother's last name, so I'm assuming someone gave Kodie the Dutcher name. So, why is no father figure mentioned in her obituary? Also, no paternal family members mentioned. Again, why? Such a odd case. Poor kiddo.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Was Kodie not able to have a social distance visit with her grandparents?
Just sit outside with them on their back deck or in a big backyard?
Did mom’s boyfriend not come over to visit where they lived?
Could Kodie not at least go outside?
It is just so sad.

 

[Lusitana]

Was Kodie not able to have a social distance visit with her grandparents?
Just sit outside with them on their back deck or in a big backyard?
Did mom’s boyfriend not come over to visit where they lived?
Could Kodie not at least go outside?
It is just so sad.

Great questions. The mother said she couldn't even bring Kodie to the grocery store, but why not? I don't know what's going on COVID wise in WI, but bringing a 10-year-old girl wearing a mask to a grocery store seems fine, right? Also, why couldn't Kodie do fun stuff outside the house when mom was off work? Like, why did she have to stay inside all the time? We can still do a bunch of stuff as long as we wear a mask, keep our distance from other people and do the basic hygiene stuff, like keeping our hands away from our face, washing our hands or use hand sanitizer when we can't avoid touching surfaces outside of our home, etc. She didn't really have to stay inside all this time, did she?

 

[Seattle1]

Great questions. The mother said she couldn't even bring Kodie to the grocery store, but why not? I don't know what's going on COVID wise in WI, but bringing a 10-year-old girl wearing a mask to a grocery store seems fine, right? Also, why couldn't Kodie do fun stuff outside the house when mom was off work? Like, why did she have to stay inside all the time? We can still do a bunch of stuff as long as we wear a mask, keep our distance from other people and do the basic hygiene stuff, like keeping our hands away from our face, washing our hands or use hand sanitizer when we can't avoid touching surfaces outside of our home, etc. She didn't really have to stay inside all this time, did she?

I did not understand the comment about not able to go to the grocer either unless mom wanted KD quarantined at home because she was an essential worker and did not want KD exposed.

But then mom and daughter allegedly video chatted hours before KD's death about the camping trip with extended family that was planned for the next day.

I think it's quite likely that KD was home alone while mom worked, and because she was home alone, she was not allowed to leave the apartment. MOO

 

[MimosaMornings]

Great questions. The mother said she couldn't even bring Kodie to the grocery store, but why not? I don't know what's going on COVID wise in WI, but bringing a 10-year-old girl wearing a mask to a grocery store seems fine, right? Also, why couldn't Kodie do fun stuff outside the house when mom was off work? Like, why did she have to stay inside all the time? We can still do a bunch of stuff as long as we wear a mask, keep our distance from other people and do the basic hygiene stuff, like keeping our hands away from our face, washing our hands or use hand sanitizer when we can't avoid touching surfaces outside of our home, etc. She didn't really have to stay inside all this time, did she?

One of the articles mentioned an upcoming camping trip and that Kodie was excited about it. What if she wasn’t really excited about “it”?

 

[Lusitana]

I did not understand the comment about not able to go to the grocer either unless mom wanted KD quarantined at home because she was an essential worker and did not want KD exposed.

But then mom and daughter allegedly video chatted hours before KD's death about the camping trip with extended family that was planned for the next day.

I think it's quite likely that KD was home alone while mom worked, and because she was home alone, she was not allowed to leave the apartment. MOO

It doesn't make sense. Mom says that she didn't want to bring her to the grocery store, but then wants to bring her on a camping trip? And then, the concerns about exposing Kodie to COVID don't really match with the reality. People related to Kodie have been attending social gatherings, including weddings. What's the point of not letting this child getting out of the house even just to pick a snack at the grocery store, but then spending time with a boyfriend, going on a camping trip and going to social gatherings? That makes no sense. I have a hard time believing her boyfriend and extended family were staying home this whole time. So, the poor kid has to stay home all day everyday so she doesn't get exposed to COVID at a grocery store or a park while wearing a mask, but then the same kid is supposed to go on camping trip with extended family?

One of the articles mentioned an upcoming camping trip and that Kodie was excited about it. What if she wasn’t really excited about “it”?

If Kodie was really not allowed to go out, then I don't doubt she was excited for the trip. But yeah, the possibility of her actually not being happy about the trip because "someone" might have been going too makes a lot of sense.

 

[Sprockett7701]

God sped sweet angel...I hope whatever haunted you does so no more...

As a “hardened” WS not many threads get me in the feels but this one had me sobbing like a baby. My own daughter is 6, and I can’t imagine her being in a place of wanting to commit suicide in a few years...

I hope we get some answers from the final results.