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Thank you SO much for these. I've been so focused on Bear Brook Jane Doe that I've almost forgotten the work I've already done on this case - but this is a lot that I actually haven't seen! The Westgate anecdote could be something or could be nothing, just remember that Madison, even then, had a large LGBTQ population and Westgate itself is like a 10+ minute drive from the spot on U-Ave where this UID was found.Honestly, of all the DNA Doe Projects this is the one I want solved the most.
I compiled a bunch of newspaper clippings and such, you may find some useful or interesting information in there, the Westgate Mall anecdote is interesting to me. Dane County Doe newspaper clippings Sep-Oct 1989
Also, here is an imgur album with images of the victim's clothing and jewelry, plus some newspaper clippings. September 15, 1989 newspapers and additional images of Dane County Doe's clothing and items.
Thank you SO much for these. I've been so focused on Bear Brook Jane Doe that I've almost forgotten the work I've already done on this case - but this is a lot that I actually haven't seen! The Westgate anecdote could be something or could be nothing, just remember that Madison, even then, had a large LGBTQ population and Westgate itself is like a 10+ minute drive from the spot on U-Ave where this UID was found.
As someone who has deep roots in Madison, I highly doubt this is going to be something that's going to be able to be done. Westgate was razed about two years ago and almost none of the local merchants that were around at the time are still in business, let alone know where their suppliers were getting things from. It's going to be a needle in a haystack kinda thing if we follow that lead.No problem. This case has really resonated with me since I found out about it since the guy was possibly trans, and I have had my fair share of gender issues in the past. I really do think the DNA Doe Project can work their magic and identify him though.
Also yeah, could be any crossdressing guy at Westgate. But I wonder if certain articles of clothing he wore could be traced back to that Bormann's shop, or any other stores in the mall. Wish we had pictures of the paisley dress and oxford shirt publicly available.
Welcome to Ws @breachtones, thanks for the link!Honestly, of all the DNA Doe Projects this is the one I want solved the most.
I compiled a bunch of newspaper clippings and such, you may find some useful or interesting information in there, the Westgate Mall anecdote is interesting to me. Dane County Doe newspaper clippings Sep-Oct 1989
Also, here is an imgur album with images of the victim's clothing and jewelry, plus some newspaper clippings. September 15, 1989 newspapers and additional images of Dane County Doe's clothing and items.
I'm not sure I follow your reasoning here. You're suggesting a bad-natured break in to the Bread Shop? The 1980s were too early for gluten activisim. Although Atkins had published at least one book by then, the anti-bread Atkins Diet ketogenic movement didn't peak until 2003, when it nearly tanked Krispy Kreme stock (Atkins diet - Wikipedia). I'm not sure what a good-natured break in would be. Someone with a sweet tooth?I want to bring in a possible other theory that might be more relevant to the Bread Shop:
There are TONS of large Evangelical Christian ministries, including InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, that are headquartered in the Madison area. I don't know what their presence was like in the late 80's because I was born after this UID was found, but from what I understand there were quite a few churches in that area and currently there is a presence of missionaries from all over and different ministries in town.
What if we're completely wrong on the trans angle? What if this was some kind of good natured break in gone wrong? What if it was a bad-natured break in/hate crime? Thinking about the Bread Shop angle really makes me think we are looking in the wrong places.
Not sure if you're joking and I'm missing it, but the Bread Shop was a Christian bookstore.I'm not sure I follow your reasoning here. You're suggesting a bad-natured break in to the Bread Shop? The 1980s were too early for gluten activisim. Although Atkins had published at least one book by then, the anti-bread Atkins Diet ketogenic movement didn't peak until 2003, when it nearly tanked Krispy Kreme stock (Atkins diet - Wikipedia). I'm not sure what a good-natured break in would be. Someone with a sweet tooth?
I went back in the thread and you're right of course. I totally missed it that the Bread Shop was not an actual bread shop. I could have sworn someone had mentioned the smell of baking masking the body smell. That must have been on a different thread or forum.Not sure if you're joking and I'm missing it, but the Bread Shop was a Christian bookstore.
That being said, I like your sweet tooth theory better
I didn't realize either, at first! It's very misleading for those of us who are unfamiliar with the store or the ins and outs of the case.I went back in the thread and you're right of course. I totally missed it that the Bread Shop was not an actual bread shop. I could have sworn someone had mentioned the smell of baking masking the body smell. That must have been on a different thread or forum.
But I still can't figure out what @doyoulovemepfg meant by a "good-natured break in", whether or not it was bread or books in there.
I didn't realize either, at first! It's very misleading for those of us who are unfamiliar with the store or the ins and outs of the case.
Maybe a good-natured break in would entail something like a (should-have-been) harmless prank? Moving the books around, turning them over/upside down, taking all the pens out of the store, leaving something to intentionally confuse whoever finds it...
rsbmThe estimated time of death is 2 months to 2 years, the Good 'n' Loud apparently had only been open for 6 weeks before the body was found.
Though they announced it was opening back in April of 1989...