Woman Gives Birth To Octuplets In California

[2old2bpc]

This nutcase has no business expecting her parents to help take of her kids, financially
or any other way. The grandmother is beside herself. If I were either parent, I would pack my bags and move as far away from this travesty as I could.
She made her choices and she will have to live with them. I hope all her kids are placed with responsible families.

 

[azwriter]

Ok, I'm going to go out on a limb and probably be criticized, but honestly, I think the church ladies are NOT helping, in fact, I think the best thing everyone could do is NOT help, NOT donate, NOT give this woman anything materially, or in the way of publicity. That would hasten the process of getting those children out of there and into homes where they would be well-cared for, appreciated and loved. And hopefully land Nadya, her doctors and anyone else complicit in this scam with some legal consequences - including the state, the federal student loan authorities, SSI, etc. etc. etc. This whole thing just disgusts me.


Eve

While I can understand your frustration with this woman and her actions, do you really want to see these infants seperated and sent out for adoptions like a litter of kittens?
I'm not criticizing you. I too am torn. I want what's best for the kids - all 14 of them and this mom has shown she does not know how to be responsible and has the resources to care for this group of kids.
But, really, imagine if it was you being adopted out and found out later you were one of eight. And, that you have no idea where your siblings are or if you'll ever see them.
It's a shame what this woman has done. I can see by the posts here that everyone reading and posting here have been affected in a negative way with so many facets of this story. For those woman who have gone through so much to have just one child wether by adoption of infertailty treatments and costs to the people who know their taxes dollars will support this woman and her children to the general population who knows a scam when they see one, this serial mother has touch us all in a very sad way.
jmo

 

[Jholi]

OK, he thought her most outrageous statement was where she said that no, she would never have considered selective reduction, and she took a gamble, and it turned out perfectly.

Definitely a WTH moment.

But he then started going into how "what's done is done," asking us to find it in our hearts to donate money to help the babies, gave her web address, and said he's adding the link to his website.

I'm still squeamish about taking them away from their family, and I'm much happier with voluntary private donation than governmental handouts, and if they stay, I hope they get their needs met.

But I would not send or support sending a dime to that address. The least they need to do is set up a strongly regulated trust fund governed by a third party we have reason to trust.

I like him, but I'm disappointed in him. MOO, but it would be foolish to send "strings-free" money to anyone with such a blatant history of refusal to appropriate it where it's needed instead of on her selfish indulgences and outright pathologies.

 

[azwriter]

I've been dying to ask, but don't want to offend anyone who may have disabled children....here goes, HOW do you obtain SSI payments for three little children, one with ADHD, and one with a slight speech problem?

Here is where I don't mean to be offensive, so I apologize for my ignorance. I'm under the impression that SSI/disability was meant to compensate for income loss, or to provide medical/therapy payments to treat a disability. I dont understand why these children are recieving payments. Wouldnt the county or state provide treatment for a speech disorder? And is ADHD considered a disability?

I thought that SSI was difficult to prove/obtain.

Can anyone educate me? THANKS!

Maybe I can add something of worth to your question vibec.
As I understand it, SSI isn't difficult to prove but disability is. SSI payment is calculated on the amount of income a person or family has to work with. If the disability can be proven and the family can't cover the costs to treat it, then SSI (which is a supplement to SS Disability) is awarded. Many seniors on Social Security also receive SSI because their income is below the poverty level. It was explained to me that the SSI amounts and requirements to be eligable are different from State to State.
I think we need an insurance or case worker to explain this better than I can. Anyone out there working in the field who can give us all the scoop? Thanks.

 

[Jholi]

Actually what fascinates me is her unabashed statements regarding the expectations she has-she is telling the world that she expects other people to pick up the slack. Plain and simple. Send her money, volunteer services, take care of her children so she can pursue her education and her 15 minutes.

Her 6 children are suffering from this side show and her 8 additional will suffer, but one thing is certain-people will pay her and people will pick up the slack. She popped out 14 children with apparently no intention of "mothering" them. People, including her immediate family, will not let those children fall by the wayside because this woman has a screw loose. Forgive me for being blunt. We are simply torturing ourselves by adding up the total cost of what she is foisting off onto the rest of us. Better to cut to the chase, and help figure out what the ideal solution might be which will give the children and their grandparents a chance at some dignity and some hope.

JMO.

Absolutely. She is getting away with shameless extortion, because for all her bleating, we - strangers - care more about her children than she does.

The only other option is to take them away, and even if we can stomach it, it will cost us.

I just remembered another thing she said, when asked about how the other kids will feel, she said "life isn't fair." As though she had no control of or responsibility for the misfortune she chose to inflict upon them.

 

[azwriter]

ITA, barrysgirl. I read that they did have someone following her. And they ended her WC last fall and took her off the employee list a few months ago. Does anyone know why then, or the other details?

I don't buy it either. I have two herniated disks too, and it was pregnancy that triggered them. There are few things harder on a back than pregnancy or the tasks of motherhood.

You people with back problems, I really feel for you. I don't know how in the world you can cope with motherhood and daily life not alone working outside the home with back pain. You all deserve a hallo. You are saints.
Been there.
azwriter

 

[believe09]

Absolutely. She is getting away with shameless extortion, because for all her bleating, we - strangers - care more about her children than she does.

The only other option is to take them away, and even if we can stomach it, it will cost us.

I just remembered another thing she said, when asked about how the other kids will feel, she said "life isn't fair." As though she had no control of or responsibility for the misfortune she chose to inflict upon them.

My thoughts are of providing a responsible person or persons with custodial rights over the children-people who are heavily vetted, ala Britney Spears conservatorship, know what I mean? It may in the end be the biograndparents-who knows. Once this is in place, then people will feel more comfortable giving freely-like Extreme Home Makeover, Habitat for Humanity and the like. Then I bet you would see companies like J&J and Carnation etc...giving some generous support as well.....

Just an idea...

 

[BuzzieCat]

While I can understand your frustration with this woman and her actions, do you really want to see these infants seperated and sent out for adoptions like a litter of kittens?
I'm not criticizing you. I too am torn. I want what's best for the kids - all 14 of them and this mom has shown she does not know how to be responsible and has the resources to care for this group of kids.
But, really, imagine if it was you being adopted out and found out later you were one of eight. And, that you have no idea where your siblings are or if you'll ever see them. jmo

This wasn't addressed to me, but I can't imagine that growing up squished into one house with 13 other siblings and a crazy mother and exhausted grandmother is going to do any of them any good, either. Unless the church is buying her a McMansion, I can't imagine there's going to be enough room for 14 kids plus the number of caregivers needed and the space required for toys, clothes, any health-related equipment, cooking, bathing, whatever. They could probably have an open adoption and meet each other later. What is IMO more damaging is what happens to them NOW while they are little, not that they found out later when they are old enough to understand the multiple-sibling situation.

 

[azwriter]

Um she may have wanted to save up for a tummy tuck instead.
Exhibit A.
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I wish I hadn't see this!
jmo

 

[Cubby]

And what reasons have adoptees or adoptive parents to believe they were not blessed to be adopted into loving homes......

and who is to say, the adoptive parents if that were the case, were not all loving parents who would not stay in contact with one another and allow these 8 babies to know their siblings?

I've known RL parents who adopted one of several from a mom and yes, they were as fantastic as WS'rs and all stayed in contact, despite being more than a half dozen crack babies with very serious problems.

JMHO

While I can understand your frustration with this woman and her actions, do you really want to see these infants seperated and sent out for adoptions like a litter of kittens?
I'm not criticizing you. I too am torn. I want what's best for the kids - all 14 of them and this mom has shown she does not know how to be responsible and has the resources to care for this group of kids.
But, really, imagine if it was you being adopted out and found out later you were one of eight. And, that you have no idea where your siblings are or if you'll ever see them.
It's a shame what this woman has done. I can see by the posts here that everyone reading and posting here have been affected in a negative way with so many facets of this story. For those woman who have gone through so much to have just one child wether by adoption of infertailty treatments and costs to the people who know their taxes dollars will support this woman and her children to the general population who knows a scam when they see one, this serial mother has touch us all in a very sad way.
jmo

 

[laini]

to claim a back injury after seeing this photo just makes me madder:furious:

she can protest all she wants but she's working the system in every way she can.

No kidding!

Another personal story so feel free to skip: I had surgery on a lumbar disk a few years ago. I can no longer do the job I was (ICU). If I go back to work I will have to find something with just about no lifting. Although it was suggested, I chose not to persue disability, but I also chose not to get pregnant again because I can't carry a toddler or big baby without risking rerupturing my disk! I agree with everything others with back injuries above have said! I am also furious at this cheap bimbo. She probably pulled a side muscle or something silly and milked it/faked it for all it was worth. :furious:

 

[azwriter]

Perhaps everyone who is in trying times of taking care of their beloveds and have lost their home/jobs should put up a website looking for donations. I would like to know and understand why this woman feels that she can when she is the one who chose, with understanding, what this would cost her and her 6 other children.

I do not think anyone out there deserves any less than what this woman *expects* when it comes to donation charity.

Actually, I'll let you all know when I have website set up. It will be tax free, of course, and you can claim it as a charitable deduction in your taxes next year. Please send cash. 10's and 20's would make it easier. Whatever the number you can shove into a legal standard envelope....

Thank you in advance.

Only if you give to my personal charity web site first ! :winkaway:

 

[barrysgirl]

From the NBC dateline slide show: Nadya says her twins, Caleb and Calyssa, are also disabled. "One of my children was tested as ADHD. The other child was experiencing mild speech delay. And maybe tiny characteristics of autism as well."

Someone please tell me how often TWO year olds are diagnosed with ADHD? I'm scratching my head here, but I have NEVER heard of a 2 yr old being DX'd with ADHD. A 2 yr old with mild speech delays? A 2 yr old with ADHD and a 2 yr old with mild speech delays are considered disabled? How many 2 year olds have speech delays? My own son had some speech delays and he went to Easter Seals for speech therapy, at 6 he is still getting ST through the school district. I would never have thought of him as disabled, nor would it ever have crossed my mind to get disability for him for a minor speech delay.

Me thinks this momma knows how to work the system and is doing so. I want to know what doctors DX 2 yr olds with ADHD?

grrrrr!

There is NO way a 2 yr old could be dx with ADD! not unless the doc is a quack that is. and a 2 yr old with a speech problem? how would you know? 2 yr olds are just learning to talk!

 

[SallyLu]

OK, he thought her most outrageous statement was where she said that no, she would never have considered selective reduction, and she took a gamble, and it turned out perfectly.

Definitely a WTH moment.

But he then started going into how "what's done is done," asking us to find it in our hearts to donate money to help the babies, gave her web address, and said he's adding the link to his website.

I'm still squeamish about taking them away from their family, and I'm much happier with voluntary private donation than governmental handouts, and if they stay, I hope they get their needs met.

But I would not send or support sending a dime to that address. The least they need to do is set up a strongly regulated trust fund governed by a third party we have reason to trust.

I like him, but I'm disappointed in him. MOO, but it would be foolish to send "strings-free" money to anyone with such a blatant history of refusal to appropriate it where it's needed instead of on her selfish indulgences and outright pathologies.

Right, that's him on my Boycott List.

I know - let's donate a Websleuth's t-shirt!!

 

[barrysgirl]

No kidding!

Another personal story so feel free to skip: I had surgery on a lumbar disk a few years ago. I can no longer do the job I was (ICU). If I go back to work I will have to find something with just about no lifting. Although it was suggested, I chose not to persue disability, but I also chose not to get pregnant again because I can't carry a toddler or big baby without risking rerupturing my disk! I agree with everything others with back injuries above have said! I am also furious at this cheap bimbo. She probably pulled a side muscle or something silly and milked it/faked it for all it was worth. :furious:

same here, i chose no disability too. i had a pulmonary embolism a yr after my back injury and was back at work in less than 3 months. no disability for that either even tho a few docs suggested it. for what? to sit on my everwideningrear for the rest of my life? no way! im lucky my position allows for me to sit often and we are lucky our profession is so diverse.

but this woman? i just find it hard to believe someone so young and someone that carried 6 children afterwards was disabled.

and monkeys fly outta my butt on tuesdays

 

[txsvicki]

I can't say I know a ton about SSI, but I do know a little. It seems children are able to qualify much easier for SSI than adults. I hesitate to even say this, but premature infants, depending on their size, are sometimes able to qualify for short term SSI. I have known a number of children on SSI for a variety of reasons. Most people who have dealt with the system know much more of the ins and outs of SSI than people who haven't dealt with the system. With all of the conditions I've had kids on SSI for, I only recently found out that you can get it for ADHD. However, I do not know the qualifications so to speak.

Here is the website about SSI. http://www.ssa.gov/ssi/

I've got a grandson on it for ADHD. He also is diagnosed with obsessive compulsive disorder and a language disorder. I don't know how much they took those two into account though. He truly is disabled, has to take medication, get special ed help, and will be affected his whole life. Hopefully he'll be off it after his school years and able to get a decent job someday and all the years of taking stimulants won't affect his heart or growth years down the road. It may be public assistance, but I don't care. If he had went into the foster system the state would have paid out much more for his care and it helps me to take better care of him. I don't know how long he will get it or if he will be allowed to stay on it awhile if he does take college courses or go into a trade program after high school.
Edited to Add: Also, it wouldn't suprise me if Nadya talks her mother into taking legal custody of thse disabled kids, because SSI does take into account the finances of parents, but if a grandparent has custody they do not. They go by the kids' income which is nothing of course.

 

[LillyRush]

About who paid for the first 6 kids...She was still technically married to her 1st husband (who was not the father), up until 2008 even though they separated in 2001. I'm wondering if she could have been still been included as a spouse on her ex-husband's health insurance and popping out the sperm donor's kids on his dime?

 

[eve]

While I can understand your frustration with this woman and her actions, do you really want to see these infants seperated and sent out for adoptions like a litter of kittens?
I'm not criticizing you. I too am torn. I want what's best for the kids - all 14 of them and this mom has shown she does not know how to be responsible and has the resources to care for this group of kids.
But, really, imagine if it was you being adopted out and found out later you were one of eight. And, that you have no idea where your siblings are or if you'll ever see them.
It's a shame what this woman has done. I can see by the posts here that everyone reading and posting here have been affected in a negative way with so many facets of this story. For those woman who have gone through so much to have just one child wether by adoption of infertailty treatments and costs to the people who know their taxes dollars will support this woman and her children to the general population who knows a scam when they see one, this serial mother has touch us all in a very sad way.
jmo

Hi AZ,

Yes, I really do mean it. Of course I can imagine maybe keeping them in some grouping of multiples - like the twins together, two or three or maybe even four of them placed together in a loving financially secure home where a couple has been waiting for this blessing. I would advocate keeping them in touch with one another.

This woman is a nutjob. The bottom line - spending money on creating more children when she can't support the ones she has, she hasn't finished school and expects her student loans to support 14 kids, she's even spending money on plastic surgery (which made her look worse, imo) - Good God, she doesn't deserve those kids.

Also if she think a Master's in Counseling is going to be a lucrative job to raise 14 kids she's dreaming, especially if her prospective clients find out WHO their counselor to be is!

Eve

 

[raeann]

There is NO way a 2 yr old could be dx with ADD! not unless the doc is a quack that is. and a 2 yr old with a speech problem? how would you know? 2 yr olds are just learning to talk!

As a speech pathologist, I can tell you that a mild speech delay is not a disability in any way. Many thousands of children, in thousands of regular schools have mild speech delays and problems. This does not make them disabled, it means they MIGHT need speech or language remediation or maybe just some direct ADULT/CHILD interaction and communication stimulation guided by a trained professional. A two year old can easily be aided to catch up in his skills if given the proper attention at this age. Unless there is a corresponding physical disability such as cerebral palsy, a repaired cleft palate, or a hearing problem, a simple therapy plan should be put in place and all should be easily corrected. HOWEVER, this takes parental time, patience, and dedication to the child's needs on a daily basis.

 

[barrysgirl]

I think that may be one more of her lies....someone posted earlier that in California the law is that disability payments CAN NOT be taken away while the recipient is pregnant. So that whenever the issue came up that they were trying to stop the payments, all she had to do was to get pregnant again and they could not stop paying. In essence then, she WAS actually getting paid to be pregnant just like she told her neighbor she was.

if this is true then thats what she's done, IMO. kept herself pregnant and got paid for it! this just keeps getting worse and worse....