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For me the fact he was alone in the classroom when the pic was taken, makes me question the time it was taken. Nothing about if he was happy or not

The president of the PTA at SKyline was in the room THERE observing when it was taken.....she stated this in an interview. There are at least two other people in the picture background, so alone is an inaccurate statement. The picture of his friend with his project was also taken at the same time.....the friend is IN THE ROOM, too.

jmoo
 
Very well thought out observations. I think the most important two statements in your great recap are:

Who felt Kyron was a burden. Who felt Kyron was an obstacle?

Follow the trail.
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:furious:

That is where my mind has been going the past week. Especially after looking through the astrology forum. I hope that my thoughts are incorrect however.
 
The president of the PTA at SKyline was in the room THERE observing when it was taken.....she stated this in an interview. There are at least two other people in the picture background, so alone is an inaccurate statement. The picture of his friend with his project was also taken at the same time.....the friend is IN THE ROOM, too.

jmoo
Ths is addressing raeann:

I hadn't realized that there was a picture of his friend with Kyron's project. Is Kyron in the picture also? How do we know what time these pictures were taken and by whom?
 
I'd like to make a suggestion to people who critique theories. Please post your own theories, too.

I don't mind being critiqued at all, as long as the people who critique my posts/theories/ideas are contributing more than just criticism.

JMO.
 
I hadn't realized that there was a picture of his friend with Kyron's project. Is Kyron in the picture also? How do we know what time these pictures were taken and by whom?

There is only a photo of Kyron's bowling friend with his own project, the one that some people believe to be inferior to Kyron's. I think the kid's project was awesome, because he obviously did it himself. Not to detract from Kyron's project, which I believe was some kind of "going away present," to calm the guilt that was being felt as the plans were being made.

JMO.
 
I hadn't realized that there was a picture of his friend with Kyron's project. Is Kyron in the picture also? How do we know what time these pictures were taken and by whom?

There are pictures of both boys together, and one of the other boy alone with his own project. I guess we don't know for sure, but personally, I don't feel there was any reason for the PTA president to lie about what she herself was there to observe.

jmoo
 
There is no evidence anywhere that shows anyone did, ever. In fact, there is mountainous evidence to the contrary.

BBM: mountainous evidence? have I missed it?

I am not asking to be rude, it's just that I personally have not seen any.
 
There is only a photo of Kyron's bowling friend with his own project, the one that some people believe to be inferior to Kyron's. I think the kid's project was awesome, because he obviously did it himself. Not to detract from Kyron's project, which I believe was some kind of "going away present," to calm the guilt that was being felt as the plans were being made.

JMO.

I guess it is all in ones own experience. I did not think Kyrons project was at all unusual or even all that elaborate compared to those I have seen by the same age students at schools where I have worked, or ones that my kids have attended. It was above average, but definitely not out of that range at all.
 
One thing has been really bothering me alot is I hope someone did not dress him in a CSI shirt to plan to kill him later.If the SM and or father had anything to do with this I hope and pray it was an accident.
 
BBM: mountainous evidence? have I missed it?

I am not asking to be rude, it's just that I personally have not seen any.

I guess that I count the statements of teachers, other parents, friends of the family, and LE as evidence that he was a happy, healthy, well taken care of, well behaved, obedient, a good student, loving to other kids and siblings as evidence that he was loved and cared for by the parents who raised him.
That has even been stated here by a neighbor of the bio-mom. There was a well maintained, clean home, outings with family and friends, appropriate toys and activities, holiday celebrations, pictures of the family together happy and close.

Most of all, not a single negative thing has been said by anyone who KNEW the family. Not even one doubtful comment about the love and caring of the sm has come from a neighbor, friend, store clerk, teacher, school administrator, co-worker, fellow gym member, soccer team family, church member, boy scout leader, or day care worker, etc. The only people in the entire world who have spoken out in critical and negative fashion are the people who have never met this family, never seen them in person, never spoken to them or communicated with them in any fashion.
 
Hi all. This is my first post here. I think it is within the tos. My only sources of information are the same news reports and witness interviews many of you have seen.
Approximately 8:15am Friday June 4th the Skyline school PTA president said she saw Kyron and his stepmother standing near Kyron's science fair exhibit. Kyrons teacher also said she saw Kyron with his stepmother in her classroom some time before 8:45am. Approximately 8:45am the stepmother claims after watching Kyron walk towards the hallway to his classroom she left the school and that was the last time she saw Kyron.

Kyron was scheduled to be with his classroom group for the science fair tour from 9:00am until 10:00am that day and his stated destination according to Kyrons stepmother was his classroom.
Kyron was also scheduled to be in a school talent show from 1:00pm until 2:24pm. Unfortunately Kyrons stepmother did not attend the school talent show with the other parents. Around 9:00am a classmate and friend of Kyron said he spoke with Kyron in the hallway near the stairs. This friend said Kyron told him he was going downstairs to see a cool electric display. No one else seems to have talked to Kyron that day or is as yet reported to have done so. The last time this friend saw Kyron was at that moment as Kyron went down the stairs. No one has seen 7 year old Kyron Horman since. The friend said the time was 9:00am. I am not aware of any reports of Kyrons activity's between 8:45am and 9:00am. I am not aware of any report that Kyron went into his classroom. If both the 8:45am and 9:00am times and stories are correct, We must believe Kyron just stood alone in the hallway for 15 minutes after telling his stepmother he was going to his classroom and while walking down the stairs he simply disappeared from the face of the earth. The perpetrator of this crime wants us to believe this and will come out fighting to defend it.

9:00am was the scheduled time for all of the children to be in their classes. If Kyron had told his step mother he was going to his class at 8:45am. There must be a reason Kyron never got to his classroom. Did Kyron wander? No, of course not.

Kyron was headed to his moment of glory. I think his friend is just wrong about the time. Kyrons past behavior model shows he does what he says he is going to do. Kyron followed the rules. Kyron was known and described as a good sweet and timid child. Kyron had no known problems with tardiness,absence,wandering or other negative behaviors in general. He was not the type of child to just wander away.

If the 8:45am story is correct Kyron was so extremely eager to get to his class and begin the tour that he headed for class 15 minutes early and fully intended to go there and would not waiver from that. It is not likely Kyron would stray from his objective. Kyron had waited for his moment in the sun for weeks. Kyron would not be late for his greatest event. Kyron was so very proud of his exhibit, that his sole desire was to get there early to assure he would be on time to show his exhibit to his classmates. What possible reasoning could have distracted Kyron from his moment of pride and joy?



This same friend and classmate was in class at the 9:00am roll call. The friend was not in the hallway at 9:00am and so it is reasonable to assume some time had to pass between that hallway conversation and the 9:00am role call. This same friend was one of the first to notice Kyron was not in class for the roll call and this surprised him. Why would it surprise him if he had just spoken to Kyron at 9:00am and he knew Kyron was going downstairs. Why would he expect Kyron to make roll call on time. The schedule was 9:00am roll call, form small groups and tour science fair until 10:00am.

There was nothing reported in their conversation about Kyron not having time to go downstairs. Kyron and his friend must have both thought Kyron had time to go downstairs and return to his class for the 9:00am role call.
This conversation very possibly took place before 9:00am. It very possibly took place around 8:46am just after Kyron left his stepmother. The friend being only 8 years old may not be as aware of the actual time as he believes. Witnesses report what they believe they saw, what they believe happened, what they believe the time was. A lot of the time it just doesn’t fit.

It is reasonable to assume the friends grandmother told him that it was time to go to class because it starts at 9:00am. He could then think it is 9:00am because his grandmother told him so.


This same friend also said he saw Kyron's step mom leave without Kyron, and that is all he said about that. I am not aware of any report that he said he saw her leave the building, go outside get in her car etc. The friend was on the second floor with Kyron so at best, all he could have seen was step mom go down the stairs. He did not say who went down the stairs first, Kyron or step mom. The friend only said they went down separately. The friend did not say he ever saw Kyron in his classroom that day. The friend said he saw Kyron in the hallway. Presumably just after Kyron left his stepmother. The friend was on the second floor. The friend had no way of knowing what happened on the first floor.

All of the events mentioned here took place on the second floor and currently all of the public news reports, video witness interviews etc, that I am aware of, are all second floor events.


The conversation between Kyron and his friend very possibly took place some time before 9:00am. I think Kyron was taken out of that school before 9:00am. It had to happen before the kids were in their seats looking out in the window. It had to happen before 9:00am because even though the halls would be momentarily clear, any people in them would stand out. A mass of parents leaving between 8:45am and 9:00am would provide excellent cover. It would have to happen before 9:00am to take advantage of the crowd and chaos that came with it. The school normally opens to students at 8:35am and the final bell rings at 8:45am. On Friday June 4 2010 the school opened early so students could tour the science fair with their parents. The school opened at 8:am that day. The bell times were not reset for the special event that day and all bells sounded at their normal times and so the final bell rang at 8:45am. This is presumably how Kyrons stepmother is certain of the time she claims she left him. That 8:45am bell also signaled go time and a plan was enacted by someone that knew the schools routines and procedures very well.

Taking a child from a school hallway is a high risk proposition for anyone at any time. Add a special event with hundreds of potential witnesses to the equation and a snatch and grab is just out of the question. While pedophiles may go to these events to meet children by way of meeting parents and posing as a safe friend, it would not be a good time for most to actually take a child. But the crowd and confusion could have been used as an advantage to someone with another plan. Someone that knew a phone call would not be made even after the absence was discovered. Someone needed time for the act and alibi and someone knew they would have it. This was not a crime of simple opportunity. This was also not done by some older kid. This act was committed by someone with adult knowledge,skills and with extremely detailed planing ability. You need a real plan to pull this off. You need to be extremely organized.

Kyron knew his abductor very very well and Kyron had no idea what was going to happen as he walked off very willingly with this person. To make this work your victim has to know you, trust you and even better, be waiting for you. Who did Kyron know and trust that he would wait for and leave with? Leaving without question or hesitation? Kicking and screaming would bring quick attention. Who would he voluntarily get in a car with? Who worked and or volunteered at that school enough to know the building, the security and the lack of it, who would blend in the best, who would be the most invisible while in plain sight. Who could best exit with Kyron unappreciated.

My guess is Kyron going down those stairs was a step in a very specific 8:45am plan. Kyron was very possibly sent down those stairs by someone he trusted. My guess is Kyrons abductor was positioned very close to Kyron that mourning watching Kyron and waiting for that 8:45am bell. At 8:45am the bell rang and Kyrons abductor moved to a new position as the plan was put in motion. Kyrons abductor moved away from the second floor activity's of the day. Kyrons abductor would want to appear to be exiting alone. Kyrons abductor would move to the first floor so that they would not be noticeably seen with Kyron.

On the first floor Kyrons abductor was no longer making contact with anyone, no longer chatting with others. On the first floor Kyrons abductor would want to blend in and be invisible. Transparency would be vital. This person would not be appreciably noticeable to anyone. This person would fit so well in the environment that their activity was completely unappreciated. The attentions of the staff, students and visitors were completely focused on the science fair and the excitement. The search for Kyron brought in new information and now the focus has shifted to the criminal investigation. The investigations in these cases begin inside and work their way out. Who was Kyron with last? Who was close to Kyron? Who had the ability? Who had the knowledge? Who had the opportunity? Who had a motive? Who had a vendetta? Who felt Kyron was a burden. Who felt Kyron was an obstacle? Who did Kyron trust enough to leave with? The bell rang at 8:45am and before 9:00am Kyron was gone.



With all due respect,excellent post,you need to write novels,if you do not
you are missing your calling,I could "see" everything you said as I read.
:bow: and it made sense. IMHO
 
Your Attention Please

This thread is getting off-topic and into general discussion.

Please return to topic - case theories.

Post 'em if you got 'em. Discuss the theories posted. Challenge theories posted with respect.

All theories and opinions posted on WS are subject to challenge. If you don't want your theory challenged, then do not post it - a blog may be a better alternative for you to consider.

Theories include the person or type of person (stranger, stranger who knew Kyron) who committed a crime, what kind of crime you think they committed, and - this is important - the reasons why you think that person/type of person committed the crime.

Where this falls is random.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled posting. :)

Thanks!
BeanE
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Two theories I've been thinking about.

1. He's still in the school. Wrapped in plastic and stuffed in a small space. Hopefully, the school was meticulously searched.

2. Something upset him....he ran to the woods, climbed a tree and became entangled or fell and his shirt was caught on a branch and he strangled.
 
Interesting theory....but class DID begin at 8:45 am, there was a warning bell at 8:35 and the final bell at 8:45. Then the kids began their tours. This is one of the few, confirmed absolute facts that we do have in this case.

jmo

Also, I've never seen it verified just when roll was called, although in early articles it was said to have been at 10 am (after the tours).
 
Two theories also:

First, is my fantasy theory----Great Aunt JOnellelindalou visited the IB expo. She loves science and children and taught school for many years until retiring due some 'questionable thought processes' in her old age. She always wanted a child but never had one, and due to her mental issues, she decided it would be ok to take one home with her that day. She asked Kyron to help her get out the right door to her car as she was a bit confused on her directions, and then just loaded him up and took him with her. Kyron is now sad and missing his family, but Great Aunt Jo has told him they said he could stay with her and keep her company for awhile, and then she will take him home all safe and sound. Kyron is being showered with toys, and games, and ice cream and popsicles. Family of Great Aunt Jo will soon stop by and figure out what has gone on and Kyron will be back home soon. End of fantasy theory, which I don't really believe at all.

Two: NON-fantasy theory, but I can't post this one as it involves extensive sleuthing of a peripheral person known to be associated with the school in a way, but who has not been mentioned by LE.
 
Your Attention Please

This thread is getting off-topic and into general discussion.

Please return to topic - case theories.

Post 'em if you got 'em. Discuss the theories posted. Challenge theories posted with respect.

All theories and opinions posted on WS are subject to challenge. If you don't want your theory challenged, then do not post it - a blog may be a better alternative for you to consider.

Theories include the person or type of person (stranger, stranger who knew Kyron) who committed a crime, what kind of crime you think they committed, and - this is important - the reasons why you think that person/type of person committed the crime.

Where this falls is random.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled posting. :)

Thanks!
BeanE
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I've removed a discussion about Kyron's art from this thread. If you'd like to talk about that, please make a new thread. If I see one open, I'll move the posts for you.
 
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Two: NON-fantasy theory, but I can't post this one as it involves extensive sleuthing of a peripheral person known to be associated with the school in a way, but who has not been mentioned by LE.

Hi Raeann -

Is there anyway you can be more specific - if it's a peripheral pseron associated with the school in a way - maybe state how they are associated in a general sense (volunteer, part-time staff, activity volunteer, of business service or purveyor to school), and the just describe how the facts we know and some assumptions you're making have led you to the conclusions you make in your theory?

I realize you don't want to reveal the specifics of your sleuthing, or provide specific example even, but if you keep it very general, I bet you could share your theory with us.

Anyway, i hope you can. :)

P.S. I giggled at your fantasy theory (snipped) b/c my MIL is moving to the next stage of Alzheimers and darned if I couldn't see her doing the same thing you described and never telling any of us she brought the child home to feed him b/c he mentioned he was hungry at the science fair. LOL.
 
Ruled out a couple of possibilities - often that helps me the most:
R/O post partum depression
~~snip~~The difference between postpartum depression and the baby blues is that postpartum depression often affects a woman's well-being and keeps her from functioning well for a longer period of time. Postpartum depression needs to be treated by a doctor. Counseling, support groups, and medicines are things that can help.~~snip~~

http://www.medicinenet.com/postpartum_depression/page2.htm

Untreated postpartum depression can be serious, however S-Mom looks well kept as do her children. She volunteers at the school where she engages directly with the children as evidenced by the Mother's Day project where she helped children plant sun flowers in a pot for a gift; helping Kyron with his science projects; s-mom take an interest and engages in life around her, especially the 18mo baby. For these reasons, I rule postpartum depression out.

Clarified for myself what 'isolated incident' meant!

Regarding this being called an 'isolated incident': That tells me LE have not connected the mo of this crime to any other, no evidence of a serial child predator on the lose, and no evidence of this happening at this particular school again.
I NEVER once heard LE say the community was without child sex predators; that would be negligent on the part of LE for we all know they are everywhere in such places as boyscout/girlscout troops/churches/schools/soccer and baseball teams/ everywhere children are - child predators are. Therefore = isolated incident! moo

Could this be a crime committed by a calculating, desperate, and cunning child sex predator who used the vulnerabilities of both, school security and the child? Was little Kyron groomed over time? Very possible scenario IMO

Could this be a crime committed by a person who knows Kyron and developed a hatred, jealousy, or was taken back by his intelligence and drive to do the best he can? Possibly

Could someone have used s-mom to get the information necessary to make this happen - absolutely.

I deplore witch hunts and gossip so for now, with so few actual facts, that's it. I can't put a puzzle together with so few pieces - not fair to the puzzle. moo

I reserve the right to change my theories within the next hour - now on to read all the theories. moo
 
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