Would you lie in court to save your child? CLOSED FOR REVIEW

[Wescott]

It's horrible facing the prospect of having to testify against one's child. I know from experience. My children know if they ever did anything wrong, I wouldn't want the worst possible thing to happen to them, and if they took responsibility, I would fight for leniency, but I would still have to tell the truth about whatever I knew about it. They know I would do this out of love, and they understand that my covering for them is not in their best interests long-term.

Been there as well. Did not and would not lie for my child no matter what.

 

[sappysoul]

I know what I say, but I bet you are correct. Nobody here KNOWS what they will do in that situation. I know what I just posted, but I know I would NEVER want my flesh and blood to die. NEVER!

You're right, no one knows for sure what they might do in any situation. However, if you don't know for sure what you would do how in the heck can someone who has never met you KNOW what you would do in that situation?

 

[Linda7NJ]

He doesn't, He also doesn't distinguish between lying and murder. Man does, God doesn't. God does want us to render unto Caesar, so while we're here, we're subject to the laws of man.

Well now there ya go.. ...IMO Lying should be a moot point. EVERYONE lies and if God judges them all the same...ya may as well make it count and save your child's life.

If telling my friend that her new haircut she's so excited about looks good when I really believe it makes her look like a pinhead.....and claiming I typed a few search words in a tool bar to try and save my child's life are equal in the eyes of God...only a fool wouldn't lie. imo

 

[Scamperoo]

So when is it ok for mothers to lie, when do we get a free pass? Is it ok when it's to protect a child molester? how about a rapist?...a serial killer...or any other mothers child who has chosen to end the life of another.

 

[pghbrandi]

So does that mean the mothers who said they would lie would lie about anything? If lying is lying then can I assume you'd lie for your child in any situation?

Look, if either of my sons stole a ca
ndy bar and lied I'd make them tell the truth or something to that extent. If one of them were accused of murder, well I don't know what I'd do and I honestly don't think any of us here would either. I also hope and pray I or anyone here never has to face that.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Well, I just looked at the results of the poll and it says only 49.55% of those who voted would not lie.

Why then is everyone so incensed at Cindy's lies today? (I didn't vote but I'm definitely disgusted with her.) But it's an interesting question, isn't it?

 

[Sleuthster]

BBM

I am 99% sure that darn near EVERY mother in the world would say the same. Yet the prisons are overflowing with murderers....Isn't that the point?

I am quite certain Cindy felt the same.

And...IMO many of those murderers came from disfunctional families, were victims of abuse as children, and or had psycopathic or sociopathic issues. I'm quite certain you cannot name any murderers that went to Juarez and built homes during their summers or worked in homeless shelters serving food on holidays, my children did. I am confident ICA did not do any of these things either.

 

[2door73chevy]

Those of you that state you would NEVER lie to save your childs life.

Question. Are you all claiming that you NEVER lie?:waitasec:

I know and think we all lie...How does my hair look? Do I look fat? Does my butt look big? Can you tell I've put on weight? and so on...If we "all" did'nt lie at some point, we would have no friends...LOL

 

[LCoastMom]

i love my children, but i'm not sure if i would commit perjury to save them. if they were innocent, it shouldn't require perjury to clear them, i should hope! if they were guilty, then i would NOT want them to get the DP by any means but i do not think i could bring myself to commit perjury... not when swearing under oath to tell the truth!! i could lie to save them, but under oath? i'm not that good a liar, and if i got caught in the lie it would be that much worse for everyone involved.

BBM exactly how I feel. If you must lie then you are as good as admitting the truth needs to be hidden. Never a good position to take IMO. Getting caught in the lie would just make the situation worse for everyone.

I said I don't know. But now that I've had longer to think of it I would probably change that to yes I would. Look I wouldn't turn the other way if my kid stole a car, or was a sicko murderer, but if I believed he accidently or unintentionally killed someone I probably would do whatever I could to help him not get the DP.

BBM - how often do accidents get charged as murder, with DP as a possible sentence? Isn't that the main difference between murder and manslaughter? If you believed your child was involved in a horrible accident, why not tell the God's honest truth and believe in our legal system?

IMO when someone lies it is to hide the truth, they lie to spare themselves the embarrassment of their acts or to shrug off responsibility. Not to cover up an accident. Just like they don't sit in jail for three years when a child accidentally drowns. Cindy taking the stand for ICA today hurt my heart, she should take off that picture she was wearing and give it to Jeff.

BTW I voted "No." I could not lie for any of my children. No matter what the consequences. I don't believe a parent testifying honestly will put a needle in their child's arm - the penalty is a direct cause and effect of the purp brutally murdering their grandchild. No matter happens, CA and GA are not responsible for where or how ICA ends up.

 

[Just Jayla]

Well now there ya go.. ...IMO Lying should be a moot point. EVERYONE lies and if God judges them all the same...ya may as well make it count and save your child's life.

If telling my friend that her new haircut she's so excited about looks good when I really believe it makes her look like a pinhead.....and claiming I typed a few search words in a tool bar to try and save my child's life are equal in the eyes of God...only a fool wouldn't lie. imo

I dunno...what about compounding sins? Not rendering unto Ceasar by committing perjury, plus lying, plus murder? Oh, now I'm dizzy....

"Ceasar" gets to judge us here and God gets to judge us later. Caesar sayeth if ya lie about a haircut you don't go to jail but if you lie about the death of a child while under oath, you have some splainin to do, Lucy!

 

[Just Jayla]

I know and think we all lie...How does my hair look? Do I look fat? Does my butt look big? Can you tell I've put on weight? and so on...If we "all" did'nt lie at some point, we would have no friends...LOL

Your hair looks great, you are looking quite slender today, and some guys like big butts. Not sure I ever thought I would type that last part on this forum....first time for everything.

 

[GiantPickle]

there are circumstances where the truth is more dangerous than a lie

 

[Nefriahaia]

I would lie to save my son...but not if he murdered his child. That to me is a dealbreaker. That would be where I draw the line. :twocents: :cow:

 

[Linda7NJ]

And...IMO many of those murderers came from dysfunctional families, were victims of abuse as children, and or had psychopathic or sociopathic issues. I'm quite certain you cannot name any murderers that went to Juarez and built homes during their summers or worked in homeless shelters serving food on holidays, my children did. I am confident ICA did not do any of these things either.

It's late. I promise I will compile you a list of seemingly normal successful people that have committed murder. Tomorrow


Seems many people suffer from "not my child" syndrome.

 

[marlap]

There is a statement analyst (don't wanna link his blog) that I heard talking about love and a whole philosophical discussion on whether they really did love Caylee, or were enamored with the thought of having Caylee as a trophy. I hollered at the radio because I really always thought CA loved Caylee, although I have to give the guy credit for making me think.
To stay on topic, is CA lying on the stand an act of love, deparation, both? As I wrote, I think it's selfish that she is not thinking through how this could hurt KC, but this selfishness, wanting to own what happens to KC, is that done out of love? Controlling behavior? Both?

ETA-If you answered that you would lie for your child because you don't want them to die, do you feel that is a selfish want, or do you feel more strongly that you are being selfless because you are putting yourself out in spite of possible repercussions?
No judgement, really curious and love the debate on the subject.

Those are great questions Jayla... Honestly, I don't know what I'd do, I honestly can't say...if my child's life were on the line.

I want to believe I'd tell the truth. period. Like Ted K.'s (unabomber) brother did. I always admired him for that.

But if I were really in that situation...I don't know...people are so good at justifying...I could see myself saying to myself..."My child will be punished with life in prison, and I hate lying and know I would feel terrible if I lied, but having to say things that will cost my child their life? Can I do that?"

No matter what they did....I know I'd want to lie to myself and tell myself that ICA really did love Caylee and snapped one day...I'd probably tell myself lies like that...

Or, I might be like Ted K's brother...I might find that courage...I just don't know...

The bottom line is that not everyone is tough, or brave, or strong...not everyone has that kind of courage...

I just feel so sad for the A's. I understand that people are furious, but I just feel sad...unless I think about ICA...that's when I feel furious.

I have zero doubt the A's loved Caylee and would gladly have given their lives for hers.

zero doubt...

 

[Linda7NJ]

I dunno...what about compounding sins? Not rendering unto Ceasar by committing perjury, plus lying, plus murder? Oh, now I'm dizzy....

"Ceasar" gets to judge us here and God gets to judge us later. Caesar sayeth if ya lie about a haircut you don't go to jail but if you lie about the death of a child while under oath, you have some splainin to do, Lucy!

Yeah, but all ya have to do is be sorry and believe, ya still get in Even murderers get in........

 

[Aedrys]

I would NOT lie for my child...I would BEG, and BEG some more

See, this is the thing for me. Why get on the stand and lie? Why not get down on her knees and BEG for Casey's life in the penalty phase? There are other ways Cindy could have chosen to save Casey's life that would not involve deception and dishonesty. No, Cindy chose to take the path of the devil to save her child's life. To me, that is just not right. I would beg and plead for mercy for my stepdaughter, my nephew, even any other family member, Lord let them take me and not them. But I would not sell my soul to the devil and lie. No one has to lie to save a life. Two wrongs do not make a right. Lying is wrong. Lying is a bad thing to do and does not help anyone.

Plus, I am the world's worst liar, so the lie wouldn't be believed anyway. I would do more harm in trying to lie than just telling the truth.

 

[Chiquita71]

I would not have to lie to save my child. I would have kept my mouth shut from the beginning and not caused such a web of lies that now I have to lie-to save my child's life. Cindy could have just as easily taken the high road and saved any drama for the begging of Casey's life. She could have co operated with LE and maybe Casey could have had an insanity defense. YM was practically begging George and Cindy to butt out so this exact thing would not happen. Cindy seemed to have resigned herself to the idea of Casey receiving the death penalty during the vigil for Caylee. Richard Grund told LE that Cindy stated, "I guess I'll lose both my girls over this."

Munchausen by proxy comes close to what I think Cindy has, only she nurtures mental illness instead of physical illness.

Every criminal is somebody's child. In my world view loving someone does not mean covering for them when they are wrong. I absolutely understand George and Cindy not wanting Casey to get the death penalty. But, more lies cannot be the answer.

If it is okay for a parent to lie for their child, then this should be added to what we teach our children. "It is not okay to lie, unless it is your own child." Cindy has claimed to be born again and claims to have faith in God, does that faith include lying? She claims in one letter to Casey to have been receiving messages from God, I guess He told her to lie. :dunno: The Lord works in mysterious ways...

ETA: This is all if I know my child is guilty, of course. Because how else could I be lying. Just to clarify.

 

[Melanie]

I just pray to God I'm never ever put in that position. I tell my ever growing teen (who's taller than me already) that if he gets into serious trouble, I will not be bailing him out, and to keep it on the straight and narrow.

He's an only child though, and to be quite honest (since I'm among friends here), I do see some personality traits that are all me, me, me. Maybe it's just a phase (I hope so), but boy, if someone isn't paying attention to him he gets all pouty and wants the attention placed back on himself (sound familiar to anyone)!

I don't bow to his demands, and hope that he doesn't take it too far to garner attention. But yah, it worries me a bit.

Thanks for listening.

Mel

 

[Just Jayla]

Well, I just looked at the results of the poll and it says only 49.55% of those who voted would not lie.

Why then is everyone so incensed at Cindy's lies today? (I didn't vote but I'm definitely disgusted with her.) But it's an interesting question, isn't it?

Can't answer for the "No's" b/c I voted IDK, but...I am incensed at her.

I wrote my reasoning about being ticked in the beginning of this thread...to me, I'm pizzed because she has lied about so much more than the issues that could cause a DP verdict. She has lied when lies were not necessary, she has lied about others, she has lied about things that were well before this case that do not bear on the evidence at all. And she gets so nasty toward people, smirks, oy, the civil depo!
It's her. She pushed many of us beyond understanding.
And her lies are dopey, they don't make any sense.
I think there is an innocence in the posters here because they are saying they would lie only to save their child-but otherwise, they would not be anything like CA. At least, I hope they wouldn't.