Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #29

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Do we know for sure if the cause of death has not been released or has not been determined? If it were a blow or choking, there would be obvious evidence found in autopsy. Skull fractures and a broken hyoid bone. But it seemed like they ware waiting for tox results meaning they found no obvious cause. But maybe it's just not being released yet.
IMO cause of death has absolutely been determined. I suspect they are waiting for additional forensics to come back to include contributing factors, if there are any, in the final report.

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My unsolicited theory. Im going to skip speculation on her death, as no idea what happened. I lean towards unintentionally going to far, only because if it was planned, I don't think he would have returned home. I think he would have fled then before anyone was suspicious, but who knows.

Because I like to think he comes from a normal, non-mastermind family this is my theory of what transpired.

He comes home and spins a story of why she is not with him. Based on him being home only a few weeks prior, I assume they knew the relationship was rocky. And they believe him cause it is their kid, why not believe him. Then the pressure mounts.

Run in with a very anxious step father on the 10th, parents decide to get a lawyer cause they think “oh crap something happened after my son left her” or “crap he did something”. pressure mounts more, Gabby reported missing, van taken away on 10th/11th, protesters and media start coming to the house. Constant calls from Gabby’s family, media. They decide to go on a family camping trip to escape it on the 11th or abouts( this has been confirmed as the wknd).

Or they are suspicious and think lets get him out of frenzy and get the real story. On the camping trip he confesses to what happened and they decide as a family, you have to turn yourself in. Its agreed they come back from the trip all ready to turn himself in, he chickens out and flees. They then give him a day or 2 to come to his senses, he never returns, they then call the FBI. Alert he is missing. Gabby's body is then found, and police get warrant for their house.

It is very telling that they were there inside for the search. So either the warrant was just for BL and Gabby’s things and they needed help to identify what was what, or they may have been helping. Another interesting thing is that no lawyer rocked up to the house. At this point the NY lawyer would be amiss to not recommend local and more experienced criminal defence lawyer. So a family very quick to get a lawyer, doesn’t get one for the search? I have a feeling maybe his parents are just as shocked, and upset and in disbelief and maybe just misguided at first, but actually helping LE now . I think he told his parents he would be at the reserve, and he drove the mustang there himself. Whether he is there is another matter. JMO
Yes. I agree with this theory
 
That "$200 dollars for a ride" seems to have become graven in stone here. It was from a tiktok video (a highly believable one for sure) recounting a conversation from weeks earlier. Maybe he didn't have much money and he said something like "I'll give you Twe.. ummm... Ten dollars for a ride" or even "two ... umm ... $10 instead because he realized how cheap he was being. He might have been converting $20 or $2 to $10 in mid-sentence, and she heard $200. Stranger misinterpretations have happened.
 
1. Despite many people trying to place their ex's face on Brian, the body cam and witness statements only confer that they were in a physically toxic relationship. Gabby, the witness Christopher, and Gabby's friend Rose all confirm that Gabby assaulted Brian. The 911 call and body cam show Brian would fight back. People seem to be all about DV here, but refuse to acknowledge that a small blonde girl could very easily be the aggressor sometimes. Even if she is not alive anymore.

I am only addressing your first point.
Many people on this forum/thread have various degrees, and professional backgrounds who are not victims of DV but have watched the footage and the consensus along with the experiences and words of actual victims collectively agree that what we are seeing was a DV situation for Gabby.

Look into reactive abuse if you aren't familiar.

There were also reports that BL was controlling and had some very questionable behavior concerning Gabby. There is also the new report of the incident at the restaurant with BL being upset with a waitress. One of the witnesses to the DV event LE intervened in said BL was running after Gabby, and BL slapped her. All of those sources can be found in the media thread.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

Brian came home with the van and lawyered up.
Gabby is dead, and the manner is homicide.
 
I think the officers have come in for unfair criticism. I believe they acted fairly and professionally under the circumstances.

We should remember that they did NOT have that thing that all of us have now...

Hindsight.

MOO
True. But the other park employee or officer, the woman, had a completely different take on the situation, and was vocal about it, repeatedly. She had a long talk with Gabby about her relationship seeming "toxic", and she turned out to be right. If she could be that insightful, others could learn to be, too. She also pointed out to the other officers, that BL wasn't the only one with marks on his face.

But you're right; it's easy to critique from the peanut gallery. When you're in the middle of a highly emotional scene, and are receiving some mixed signals from the parties involved (minimizing the situation (when not crying hysterically), claiming they're engaged (which they no longer were) & in love, etc.), it's a lot of messy stuff to wade through and make sense of.

Still, I'll be interested to hear how the PD's review of the handling of the situation goes.
 
I went back to the beginning to see what the initial reports were and I am convinced the parents were home on the 10th and 11th - we have reports of neighbors spotting him in their yard - I think the camping trip was Labor Day weekend and I do not think anyone spotted him in their yard after that camping trip.
JMO

The only thing pointing to the camping trip being the Sep 10-11 weekend is the fact that the neighbor apparently said the trip happened a week to a week-and-a-half after BL came back home.

But that could easily just be a mistake on the neighbor's part.

Maybe they saw him (if it's true that he went home) on his trip to Florida from Aug. 17-23, then saw him and his family leave on Sept. 3 for their trip. They didn't realize he left and came back in the interim so they reported it as a week-and-a-half after he returned. September 3rd (Friday of Labor Day weekend) was a week and a half after August 23.
 
Looking for an MSM confirmation that BL flew home for a period of time during their trip -- anyone?

It seems incongruent to me that someone who has been described by GP's best friend to have control issues, and has the overall optics of being an abusive narcissist would leave GP for a period of nearly a week. "Allowing" her to have her own experiences absent of him seems like atypical behaviour, so I'm curious if this trip has been confirmed to have happened (for whatever reason) or is spiraling conjecture.


I'm not asking WHY he went home ... I'm looking for a sourced confirmation that he WENT HOME.

We all are. As yet, this information has not been shared by LE
 
Just my theory: LE feels like they're going to find him today and the parents were escorted to the station to either identify a body or for questioning. That's possibly why the Friday search is TBD.

Nothing to confirm this, but Brian Entin stated in his live in Twitter earlier the parents left the house and unmarked cars did follow them.
 
I couldn’t quote the post bc it’s in the previous thread but someone said something along the lines of “if he was so controlling why would he leave her on her own for a week”.

I was terrified of my ex husband to the point that he could deploy for a year and I was still hiding behind a display if I ran into an ex at the grocery because I knew how mad he would be if he knew I spoke to one. He quizzed me every phone call and I never tried to hide anything from him because of fear I would get “caught” and the repercussions would be far worse. Emotional abuse is very real.

Look up trauma bonding.

I hope this isn’t flagged as me trying to make the post about myself- I’m just trying to offer insight to people who can’t imagine how someone could control you from a distance.

That was me; thanks for your insight.

To clarify, I wasn't trying to insinuate that leaving wouldn't also be a form of emotional abuse. Perhaps my referencing the behaviour being incongruent with his spoken-for character traits was a misspeak, but I do still find it interesting that he'd leave for that time.

I also can't find any concrete confirmation that this happened ... which is what I'm really seeking.
 
That "$200 dollars for a ride" seems to have become graven in stone here. It was from a tiktok video (a highly believable one for sure) recounting a conversation from weeks earlier. Maybe he didn't have much money and he said something like "I'll give you Twe.. ummm... Ten dollars for a ride" or even "two ... umm ... $10 instead because he realized how cheap he was being. He might have been converting $20 or $2 to $10 in mid-sentence, and she heard $200. Stranger misinterpretations have happened.
Or- he could have been joking- like man I have been walking for days, I'd give you $200 for a ride...
 
Just my theory: LE feels like they're going to find him today and the parents were escorted to the station to either identify a body or for questioning. That's possibly why the Friday search is TBD.

Nothing to confirm this, but Brian Entin stated in his live in Twitter earlier the parents left the house and unmarked cars did follow them.
Interesting. You may be correct.
 
I completely agree. And yes, the radius is quite large - so I'm prepared to wait here for Brian to be found sometime in the next year or two, sadly. I do think if he is in or around public lands, eventually, someone will recognize him - although I think we websleuthers can help by pointing out how his appearance might change. If he grows a full beard, for example and changes his eyebrow shape and stops shaving his head and dyes his hair a lighter color, etc., etc. But if he's on trail a long time, his hair will be dark again, IMO. And most of us can recognize a dye job.

I've interviewed men who spent full time living up and down the Rockies (from Canada to Mexico), without having a home and with a very small kit. They did know how to trap. My best friend did an entire study on these "mountain men." The man I interviewed said he would go for months without talking to anyone, deliberately avoiding people on trail and staying off trail a good part of the time. There are some missing person cases among this group of full time "mountain men," in which some of their kit has been found - and it's thought they are now deceased. It's obviously risky, but one park ranger told me that he thought the missing mountain man had fallen into a creek at high run-off, while collecting water because his water container was found nearby, but he wasn't. His backpack was also found nearby. But we will never know for sure - and no one thinks the guy intentionally died. He was actually not too far into the back country and was not a year round mountain man, but he spent most of his time in the mountains. I know several people who have done this, but it gets harder as people age.

At any rate, no one knows how many of these people are up in the mountains or what happens to most of them. The tradition in the mountains is to use nicknames, no one uses their real names (and personally, I regard any attempts by others to find out more about me when I'm hiking to be either annoying or scary).
@10ofRods fascinating! Would love to hear your stories!
 
New here so please excuse, there's no possible way I could dive through 30 pages prior so if any of this was rehashed, I appologize in advance.

As a preface, I want to state that I take no position on whether Brian committed murder or not. I simply think we do not possess enough evidence right now to condemn a man's life. Now that he is missing and could possibly be suicidal, I especially take pains to avoid judging his life. That's for a jury to decide, not me. Or social media.

I won't go into a longwinded post and I'll try to keep it as short and concise as I can, but a few things bug me about this case:

1. Despite many people trying to place their ex's face on Brian, the body cam and witness statements only confer that they were in a physically toxic relationship. Gabby, the witness Christopher, and Gabby's friend Rose all confirm that Gabby assaulted Brian. The 911 call and body cam show Brian would fight back. People seem to be all about DV here, but refuse to acknowledge that a small blonde girl could very easily be the aggressor sometimes. Even if she is not alive anymore.

2. Brian returning home without Gabby. While I get the whole "going about your daily life to appear innocent", both Brian and his family's actions during the time when he first returned home with the van did not appear to be people pretending. If you know your son committed murder and has something to hide, you're not sending him out to mow the lawn. Idk, that just seems weird to me. Almost as if Brian thought everything was fine at that point. That would imply that Brian and Gabby agreed to part ways - and the only way I can see someone leaving their S.O. in the middle of nowhere is when they're being left with someone they both know and trust. (more on that later)

3. The Aug 27/30th texts. If you just killed someone, and are pretending to be them, you don't make the mistake of texting them their grandfather's first name. There would be no reason for Brian to even message the mother about GP's grandfather. You'd want to have as little interaction as possible, I'd assume. Also, with all the planning GP and BL were doing with where they were going, and given their current location, making the mistake of saying Yosemite seems off as well. I know people get the two confused, but I'd imagine that would be after the fact upon recollection, and not while on the actual trip when you're right near Yellowstone. These were pretty glaring and suspect mistakes. Almost too glaring. [removed stan theory so this doesn't get deleted lol] The wording is definately strange, and can be read as "Can you help send the authorities now...". That could imply a third person being involved.

4. Speaking of third person, now that police have announced there are no ties between the lesbian couple and GP case, people seem to have just forgotten that someone actually murdered those 2 poor women, which means there is a killer in the moab area. Gabby, and these two women aren't the only ones to go missing in the past few months in the moab area. Ty Erick Harvey also was reported missing on August 30th, 2021 in Moab. There was another man missing in June of this year in Moab but for the life of me I cannot find the article anywhere now that it's been drowned out in the sea of news reports with any keywords related to it bringing me back to GP case instead.

Grand County Sheriff seeking info on man missing from Moab area | Gephardt Daily

5. The fact that Brian is still listed as a person of interest, as opposed to a suspect, could be very telling of what evidence (or lackthereof) the police have to actually link him to her death. Either they think he's dead (which I doubt highly considering the efforts they're still putting forth) or they do not have enough evidence to charge him. Even after the autopsy? That potentially leads back to either an accident or third party.

6. Rose. Has anyone else heard reports that Brian's Instagram has been following and unfollowing Rose Davis, GP's alleged bff? Rose gives me bad vibes. Not only does she look exactly like GP in terms of size, shape, eyes and hair, but she came forward to the dailymail making statements that I found to be odd. For instance, Rose reported that Brian would set up hammocks for her and GP, but would not sit with them at the beach - preferring to sit alone. To me that sounds like someone who is uncomfortable being around Rose and GP at the same time. Why? Rose also stated she believes GP loved BL and BL loved GP.. but then went on to recount a time when BL stole GP's ID to stop her from going out dancing with Rose. According to her, GP came home and physically assaulted BL for this. She called it jealousy, but that's one sided. Could she have been a bad influence? Drugs? Could she have previously had a "thing" with GP that BL found out about and he was trying to do what was in GP's best interest? Why would Rose have a tracking app on GP's phone if she hung out with the both of them? Especially after only knowing GP for a year? I know a lot can happen in a year, but that just seems weird. Rose also stated that GP's friends back in NY were "bullying" her about GP staying with BL. Odd choice of words to describe friends trying to "look out" for their friend. Why would they "bully" her if Rose herself said they loved each other?

I have a whole bunch of other theories (or moreso questions) regarding Rose, but until we get more evidence they may as well just be wild conspiracy theories. Are police so focused on BL that they've ignored Rose's locations on her phone? Could she have met up with BL/GP after all? Did BL leave GP with Rose? Was there some sort of triangle going on? I mean, they both look alike, so it's not too far fetched to think BL might have been attracted to her. Going further down that rabbit hole, could Rose have been the one who checked out of the hotel that last time and not GP? That could potentially explain the Yosemite text.. and why Brian drove back to FLA and carried on as if nothing was wrong, not reporting her missing because he didn't think she was missing. If BL/Rose did have something going on, it would explain the reports of his Instagram following and unfollowing her during the time he's been missing. If any of these have been answered via evidence that I've missed please feel free to correct me.

I have a bad feeling the truth of this case is going to be much more complicated than people are claiming it to be. There are too many strange occurrences. I realize Occam's Razor says BL is not speaking, so he most likely had a hand in the death, given what we know. It's what we don't know that has me questioning all of this.

Edit: I definitely went more longwinded than I intended but tried to keep each point to at least a few sentences to get the full point across... apologies!


Responding to #3. I think if you aren’t in your right mind and you had just killed someone you certainly may say something in a text like that. After all, I doubt BL called him grandpa. It makes sense he would have called him Stan. I don’t think there is any hidden meaning there.
 
Just my theory: LE feels like they're going to find him today and the parents were escorted to the station to either identify a body or for questioning. That's possibly why the Friday search is TBD.

Nothing to confirm this, but Brian Entin stated in his live in Twitter earlier the parents left the house and unmarked cars did follow them.

Starting to wonder how far they followed them - to wherever they were headed, or just out of the vicinity of the house.
 
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