Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #35

[lab.tx]

Dog the Bounty Hunter went to BL's house and Knocked on the door? This IMO is too much now.
Link is Fox13 Tampa

 

[Keyedin]

Short and very interesting!

@Alethea With a Federal crime, is he going to need a Federal lawyer to argue that he’ll be just fine out on bail, just fine?

Am I right that his current lawyer, based in New York State, wouldn’t be able to argue this in a Federal court, even if he wanted to?
Or, come to think of it, can any lawyer who’s passed the bar in his own state defend someone accused of a Federal crime?

And, to what extent do lawyers have to follow their client’s wishes—specifically, I’m thinking that a lawyer might well think that it’s in BLs interests to be locked up in a cosy jail cell, rather than being tempted to go on the run again?

All My Hare-brained Speculations

He needs a lawyer admitted to the state bar in Wyoming AND admitted to whatever district the case is filed in, I can't remember what it is.

Technically, he can be admitted pro hac vice, but in order to do so, he needs a local attorney who IS admitted to basically sponsor him. There are some other things that come into play there too, but that is a fairly common practice for attorneys.

ETA: Attorneys request PHV admission when they don't commonly practice in a state and have a specific case they are requesting to serve as legal counsel in.

 

[Sassafrass]

Short and very interesting!

@Alethea With a Federal crime, is he going to need a Federal lawyer to argue that he’ll be just fine out on bail, just fine?

Am I right that his current lawyer, based in New York State, wouldn’t be able to argue this in a Federal court, even if he wanted to?
Or, come to think of it, can any lawyer who’s passed the bar in his own state defend someone accused of a Federal crime?

And, to what extent do lawyers have to follow their client’s wishes—specifically, I’m thinking that a lawyer might well think that it’s in BLs interests to be locked up in a cosy jail cell, rather than being tempted to go on the run again?

All My Hare-brained Speculations

Generally speaking, you have to apply for admission to each Federal court in which you wish to appear.

Layman's explanation - see this link (there is a section on Federal Court practice/admission):
Admission to the bar in the United States - Wikipedia

 

[TUTUFUN]

Maybe he is hard up for money. There is a small reward.

$70K last I heard.

 

[BeanieBod]

I know, I'm obsessed with this now.

Past tense, "did," present tense, "is," followed by "don't want to say that." He flew (more than once?) when... WHAT?

IMHO, I think there is more to her very controlled comment. JMO but she seemed to be holding back IYKWIM.

 

[wary]

No, your DNA would not change as a result of something you ate.

No, that wasn’t what I meant. I wondered if there was any chance that her stomach contents, even though they were visually indeterminate, could still be identified by DNA testing—so, for example, they could determine whether her last meal was pulled pork, (presumably at the Merry Piglet,) or peanut-butter and apples, (presumably a snack after the previous meal had passed out of her system.) Examples invented at random.

I don’t remember having read anything about using DNA in that sort of way, but I’m sure that in theory it could be done, unless the passage of time was too long.

All this just my questions and speculations.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I haven't seen anyone point out that the first mention/confession of any offensive physical contact was by BL (BBM) during the body cam footage. It seems he was able to stumble through his statement enough to confuse everyone. He admits to pushing her ~ That is considered domestic violence!

At 5:36 min on video Fox 13 Tampa Bay youtube video

Officer Robbins: So tell me, what’s goin’ on?
BL: She just gets worked up sometimes and I try and really distance myself from her. So I locked the car and I walked away from her. What happened this morning was that she’s trying to start up her own like little web site blog and everything. So, I give her time and I - - - And we really had a nice morning if anything but um she just got worked up as we were trying to get going and get our day going cuz we wanna go um [mumbles here I can’t understand]
Officer Robbins: Okay. Ya wanna tell me about the scratches on your face?
BL: She had her cell phone in her hand. That’s why I was pushing her away was cuz I - - - She wanted me - - - I had [maybe he said ‘locked’ here?] the keys, started to walk away, said let’s just take a breather and let’s not, uh, go anywhere else on that for a minute, cuz she’s getting worked up. And she had her phone and was trying to get the keys from me so I got, I was just tryin’ to - - - I know I shouldn’t push her but I was just tryin’ to push her away to go let’s just take a minute to step back and breathe. And you see she got me with her phone. [Points to face.]
Officer Robbins: Can I see your hands? . . . . . .

 

[wasnt_me]

good point. Either way, if he told GP he was flying home and didn’t or even if he did, there’s an awful lot of important facts never mentioned as public knowledge thus far. It could explain way more than we realize at this point.

I'm saying it is public knowledge, made public by her mom and her uncle, but is it fact or not. That's what I'm questioning.

 

[Alethea]

Short and very interesting!

@Alethea With a Federal crime, is he going to need a Federal lawyer to argue that he’ll be just fine out on bail, just fine?

Am I right that his current lawyer, based in New York State, wouldn’t be able to argue this in a Federal court, even if he wanted to?
Or, come to think of it, can any lawyer who’s passed the bar in his own state defend someone accused of a Federal crime?

And, to what extent do lawyers have to follow their client’s wishes—specifically, I’m thinking that a lawyer might well think that it’s in BLs interests to be locked up in a cosy jail cell, rather than being tempted to go on the run again?

All My Hare-brained Speculations

Unlike in state courts, if you are admitted into any federal court, you can apply for admission pro hac vice ("for the case only") in another federal court. So if his NY lawyer is admitted to the Southern or Eastern District of New York federal courts, he could apply to appear in the District of Wyoming federal court as long as he has a local lawyer who sponsors him.

It is more work because you would have to do legal research into the state of the case law in the District of Wyoming but it happens way more often in federal courts than state court.

There is a separate issue of bar ethics rules that say you have to be "competent" to represent your client in any particular matter. You can gain competency by studying and taking continuing legal education classes or by partnering with someone who is competent. So it would be questionable to take a case suddenly outside of your practice area but it's up to you to decide if you feel competent to represent your client.

On your last point, you work at the pleasure and direction of your client. You can give your client advice and counsel - that is what they are paying you for - but your client has to make the decisions. They can fire you at any point. If your client refuses to listen to you and refuses to take your advice, you have to consider if the relationship has broken down beyond repair where you are not adequately representing them. But again, you can't force your client to do any thing and it would be unethical to try to do that. You either deal with it or quit.

 

[kittythehare]

The hotel stay is within a week of her death. It's definitely a problem if he took her van, wallet or keys. I can also see it being problematic if he's getting her to spend her money on a hotel when she might have that money designated for the rest of the trip. She seems to have more money than him at this point. Making her spend her money is a tactic to make her equally broke as him and takes some of her power away.

We don't know though.
I'm just hoping she had a friend she confided in...I hate to think of her abandoned.. with nobody to turn to.. She was not prepared to confide fully in her parents, clearly.

 

[Sassafrass]

Short and very interesting!

@Alethea With a Federal crime, is he going to need a Federal lawyer to argue that he’ll be just fine out on bail, just fine?

Am I right that his current lawyer, based in New York State, wouldn’t be able to argue this in a Federal court, even if he wanted to?
Or, come to think of it, can any lawyer who’s passed the bar in his own state defend someone accused of a Federal crime?

And, to what extent do lawyers have to follow their client’s wishes—specifically, I’m thinking that a lawyer might well think that it’s in BLs interests to be locked up in a cosy jail cell, rather than being tempted to go on the run again?

All My Hare-brained Speculations

Also - in your example question about following clients' wishes - an attorney cannot freely abet a future crime or cover up a past one, but it would be unethical to override a client's wishes on coming in or not or to rat them out. An attorney will absolutely not want to know where that client is.

 

[TUTUFUN]

How serious was the engagement? I’ve seen someone post the couple’s engagement photo on this site. However, GP was not wearing an engagement ring. Did he even buy her one? Were they actually engaged or was he just dreaming that a girl like GP would actually agree to marry him?

I recall reading that after some consideration, they called off their engagement, as they felt that they were "too young," to get married.

 

[TotusTuus]

$70K last I heard.

That last bump from the country singer put it into a range where there are now going to be a lot of people searching for BL, imo. 70 grand is a lot of money.

 

[Shellinaya]

I don't believe this is exactly true. A powered off phone, even a phone with the battery removed, still has power. Electronics with power (even very low power state) are able to transmit signals, and those signals can be detected. Phones that are off can also be remotely interrogated and even turned on, including activating camera and microphone and GPS.

Just my opinion and conjecture.

This is absolutely all true for the major cell phones. But I wonder if that applies to every single type of cell phone out there? Maybe BL is just activating cheap phones as he needs them and then tossing them.

If he's in that nature preserve I think he's dead or incapacitated. If he's in Mexico or Cuba or elsewhere he's probably using cheap disposable phones or borrowing someone else's phone. I'd like to know if it's possible for LE to closely monitor all of the parents' phone communications and if anyone knows if LE is doing that.
IMO

 

[jjonez]

Yes, I appreciate you guys bringing this up. Her sentence is weird altogether to me.

She said, "Because that's what he did when he is..."

I don't want to overanalyze her because she might have been nervous, but the use of two different tenses raised my brows. Does she mean "that was what he did when he was," "that's what he does when he is," or what?

I don't understand the statement in the context that this was something he did once -- as in August 17th to the 23rd. She sounds like she's trying to say something happened habitually. Does anyone disagree?

If that's the case, she might not be referring to an August 17th trip, but instead, a habit (which could include that 8/17 trip, btw.)

Same

 

[CrimeDawg123]

IMHO, I think there is more to her very controlled comment. JMO but she seemed to be holding back IYKWIM.

Totally agree. I think in the end we're going to find out that Brian has a long history of troubling behavior known to his family. Just IMO

 

[RedHaus]

@bellyup Transcript and video of the Cassie Laundrie “flight” comment at this link: ABC Exclusive: Full interview with Brian Laundrie's sister on Gabby Petito Clipped from transcript:
Cassie Laundrie: I assumed he flew back, because that's what he did when he is - actually I don't want to say that.

RSBM

Wow! that is super interesting. I missed it before, thank you for posting that. I can think of a lot of possible ways to finish it myself, all conjecture, opinion, etc.:
- "tired of driving"
- "using"
- "angry"
- "busy"
- "having a crisis"
- "in a hurry"
- "in the middle of a break-up"
- "missing our parents"
MOO.

RSBM

"that's what he did when he is"..............gets upset and needs to get away....go for a long walk?? Needs to cool down" Alright, I am waaaaaayyyyy speculating.

RSBM
I wonder, IMO, if it is related to medical or mental health issues that are ongoing and require BL to return to his home area with some regularity. Here are some more ideas, IMO, to complete CL's sentence she opted not to finish: "... because that's what he did when he is..."

... out of his medications and needs more.
... off his medications and needs medical help to get back on them.
... having a psych**** episode and loosing touch with reality.
... overwhelmed by life and needs an escape hatch.
... fed up with the person or people he is with and has to get away.
... not feeling well because of a chronic medical condition he has.
... homesick and wants to see his family.
... out of money and needs to ask for more.​

 

[DizzyB]

Is there verified proof of anything regarding Brian Laundrie flying home, dealing with a storage unit, and flying back out? Any confirmation of any of those details? What about any confirmed sightings of him when he returned in Gabby’s van? I know what we have “heard”, but any actual confirmation?

 

[Sassafrass]

I haven't seen anyone point out that the first mention/confession of any offensive physical contact was by BL (BBM) during the body cam footage. It seems he was able to stumble through his statement enough to confuse everyone. He admits to pushing her ~ That is considered domestic violence!

At 5:36 min on video Fox 13 Tampa Bay youtube video

Officer Robbins: So tell me, what’s goin’ on?
BL: She just gets worked up sometimes and I try and really distance myself from her. So I locked the car and I walked away from her. What happened this morning was that she’s trying to start up her own like little web site blog and everything. So, I give her time and I - - - And we really had a nice morning if anything but um she just got worked up as we were trying to get going and get our day going cuz we wanna go um [mumbles here I can’t understand]
Officer Robbins: Okay. Ya wanna tell me about the scratches on your face?
BL: She had her cell phone in her hand. That’s why I was pushing her away was cuz I - - - She wanted me - - - I had [maybe he said ‘locked’ here?] the keys, started to walk away, said let’s just take a breather and let’s not, uh, go anywhere else on that for a minute, cuz she’s getting worked up. And she had her phone and was trying to get the keys from me so I got, I was just tryin’ to - - - I know I shouldn’t push her but I was just tryin’ to push her away to go let’s just take a minute to step back and breathe. And you see she got me with her phone. [Points to face.]
Officer Robbins: Can I see your hands? . . . . . .

SO many red flags from him in just that snippet.

 

[SAMS]

https://twitter.com/foxnews/status/1441867970184048640?s=21

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