Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #38

[MsBetsy]

Well, The Innocence Project website states 63% of those wrongfully convicted that their work with DNA testing has freed were convicted at least partly on eyewitness testimony. So, unfortunately, eyewitness testimony isn't necessarily reliable, even about murder or other violent crimes. Of course, 52% of the exonerations involved the "misapplication of forensic science" so all circumstantial evidence can't be taken as flawless either.

Explore the Numbers: Innocence Project's Cases and Impact

LE wouldn't necessarily have to rely on witness testimony alone. Usually it's a combination of circumstances that put the pieces of the puzzle together. If a person witnesses a murder and their statements are consistent with autopsy findings, the witness has more credibility. (For example they report victim being stabbed 3 times in the back.)

In this case, they have lots of witnesses who can help with the timeline, but LE probably will try to compare that with cellphone data and surveillance footage. I doubt they depend on one piece of evidence alone. Most circumstantial cases consist of a combination of evidence that helps to support the final conclusion. Imo

 

[simon magus]

Yes it appears to be a federal crime - if civil procedure yields an indictment against the respondent (BL).
Here is the U.S. Code - 18 USC Sec. 1344 on bank fraud (specific sections cut and paste - please see
18 U.S. Code § 1344 - Bank fraud for all the language.)
....
(1)If a person is—
....
(B)
committing or about to commit a banking law violation (as defined in section 3322(d) of this title); or

the Attorney General may commence a civil action in any Federal court to enjoin such violation.
section 3322(d) of this title)...the Attorney General may commence a civil action in any Federal court—
...
(2)If a person is alienating or disposing of property, or intends to alienate or dispose of property, obtained as a result of a banking law violation (as defined in section 3322(d) of this title)...the Attorney General may commence a civil action in any Federal court—

(A)
to enjoin such alienation or disposition of property; or
(B)for a restraining order to—
(i)
prohibit any person from withdrawing, transferring, removing, dissipating, or disposing of any such property or property of equivalent value; and

(b)
The court shall proceed as soon as practicable to the hearing and determination of such an action, and may, at any time before final determination, enter such a restraining order or prohibition, or take such other action, as is warranted to prevent a continuing and substantial injury to the United States or to any person or class of persons for whose protection the action is brought. A proceeding under this section is governed by the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, except that, if an indictment has been returned against the respondent, discovery is governed by the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure.

he was charged with U.S. code 1029 (a)(2), not 1344...

 

[Herat]

I had the same thought ... that perhaps if he is indeed on the AT, that he may find a spot just off the trail in a hilly, wooded secluded area where he is near enough a store to buy supplies, and also able to just camp and not risk being seen on the trail by continually moving along. But eventually whatever money he may have will run out...

He is also going to be notable for his purchases. He'll need fresh produce. He won't be buying Doritos, Diet Coke in plastic bottles, Little Debbie Cakes, beef jerky ( you know, real survival food). He won't be shopping at the kind of gas station or quickie-mart places that are in smaller towns. He'll need a real grocery store.

 

[borndem]

If he is in the Appalachian mountains, I doubt he is on the AT. Although the season is winding down, there are SOBOs (South Bound hikers) that are working their way though TN/NC/GA mountains. The hikers are being alerted to the possibility that he is in the mountains.

bbm
Agree. I think he may be sneaking around private areas, unless he has drastically changed the way he looks. There are lotsa people who have vacation homes, cabins, and year 'round residences in those mountains. He picked the wrong time for hiking the AT -- I think a lot of people are aware of this man and aware that he may be in the AT areas. And who knoze how many Feds and local or state LEO's may be "hiking" as well. Hoping I'm right...

And how's his money situation??

And he could be dead already.

 

[ChuckInHouston]

BL May be a hiker, but he is not a survivalist. For someone supposedly self sufficient, he spent a lot of time in hotels and restaurants. He is hiding, stationary. Abandoned or vacant house. Boat shed or somewhere similar. From where BL was picked up the 1st time, I didn’t believe he walked there. Since no one has come forward stating they gave him a ride from closer to the van I believe GB may have left him somewhere. Could be what triggered his anger. If he walked in from spread creek gate he would have come apron the van. Maybe why he realized he was traveling the wrong way. They will find him when someone tries to make contact.

 

[jjonez]

Duplicate

Missed Dog’s deadline earlier- hope he pulls if off! 7½ weeks…

“Duane Lee Chapman, also known as “Dog the Bounty Hunter,”… promised to find Laundrie before his 24th birthday on Nov. 18.”

Manhunt for Brian Laundrie in Florida wetlands scaled back after Gabby Petito's funeral

does that align with the psychic prediction reported by Walt on wfla? BL to be found 28 days from now, by water. MOO

Never mind, misread the date. Lol

 

[cherryzard]

These fanatics are a public nuisance they need to get a life and stop annoying the local residents. Please, let LE do their job and stop being a distraction.

They are doing more harm than good for the investigation, such a distraction.

 

[SuziQ]

I disagree that BL's parents are doing what many would do if their child were involved in this situation. The current situation is that their child is missing, and that he is the primary suspect in GP's death. I would think most parents would be doing everything in their power to help find their son, including public pleas.

Their actions are extremely suspect, IMO.

Especially given the fact that they are supposedly worried he might hurt himself. And add he could be injured or worse by LE when they find him. The contrast between them and Gabby's mom sobbing and begging to find her missing daughter is striking. Imo, one parent didn't know where their child was. The other parents know where their child is.

Moo.

 

[SMK777]

My first thought was that they have found his body.

Do you still think so? Would we have heard by now?

 

[Skigirl]

I’ve never been in AT, but I imagined he would go to this region, but go off trail into the woods. Is that possible? I don’t think he would go on the main trail pretending to be like any other hiker.

The AT connects with other trail systems all throughout the East Coast. In CT, for example, you can hop off the AT onto any number of local trails or onto the state's Blue Trail system and walk to literally almost any town in the state. So yes, he could move on and off the trail and pretty much anyplace his feet can take him.

 

[Cloudydiamond]

These fanatics are a public nuisance they need to get a life and stop annoying the local residents. Please, let LE do their job and stop being a distraction.

It's kinda what people do now a days for justice.

 

[wnk]

My thoughts/speculations (for today... I change my mind on it pretty frequently) on where BL might be:

Knowing what we do now about the Laundries' weekend trip, I think that the only way he'd be hunkered down anywhere near North Port is if he was relying on help from family and wanted to be in the area so they could continue providing that help. A few possible scenarios, in order of what I think is most likely. (MOO)

• Squatting - He's hiding out in a rental property or a vacant property that his parents--with their real estate connections--arranged, probably somewhere within a few hours of North Port, but not so close that it'd raise suspicions. He (or a family member) is using some sort of PayPal-type account (not connected to a bank or known email address) to pay for food delivery to the location.
  
  
• Carlton Reserve - If he was there, I think it would only have been with the help of food and supply drops from his family. With such a sharp eye on family members, though, I think this would be a lot more difficult to keep up than they would have originally anticipated, and if he was there initially, I think he's now either dead or long gone.
  
  
• Mexico - I could see this being possible if his parents drove him over the border during their camping trip, but only if he had some basic Spanish skills and some work/labor skills that he could rely on to make some money under-the-table, because I don't think this plan would have involved any continued help from family.
  
  
• Bahamas/Caribbean - Same as above, but riskier because you can't just drive to the Bahamas, so he'd have to take a flight or a boat. I don't think they'd risk leaving a potential trail like that.
  
  
• Appalachian Trail - There's a big difference between "surviving alone" on a trail for a few months vs. "hiding out" on a trail while trying to avoid being recognized, and with this being such a popular route, particularly in the fall, I think we would have heard about suspicious encounters with people matching his description by now.
  

ALL MOO.

 

[Wonderland20]

I just popped on after taking a break for the weekend due to being sick, so I am still catching up but just wanted to share that I work in PA (for LE) and we are even getting calls for sightings up this way so I can only imagine that this is happening country wide and LE certainly has their hands full since they need to investigate any and all possibilities.

 

[dtowndetective411]

Like Tad Cummins and the girl he kidnapped? It's possible.

Tennessee Girl Safe, Teacher Arrested at California Commune After Vanishing in March – NBC Bay Area

Exactly my point thanks for the comparison article. Something like this.

 

[elmomom]

I believe that the parents went to Orlando to testify before a grand jury. I also believe they will be arrested today. Just my hunch based on nothing! imo.

If they were called to a grand jury it would have been in their district, not Orange County.

it could have been a deposition. And offices in Orlando was where their lawyer chose to meet them to do it. These days everything is also weird due to Covid and the use of zoom etc. But if they were giving a deposition they would want their lawyer present.

 

[wasnt_me]

Try searching delmar and balboa then following it back. There was a lot of discussion about that location right after the att. Was posted

Edited for misspelling of delmar. Sorry

Just wanted to say I still can't find it. I suspect it might have been deleted as something unofficial. If I happen to find it, I'll put it where I said, but I don't think I will, so just letting you know.

 

[cherryzard]

My thoughts/speculations (for today... I change my mind on it pretty frequently) on where BL might be:

Knowing what we do now about the Laundries' weekend trip, I think that the only way he'd be hunkered down anywhere near North Port is if he was relying on help from family and wanted to be in the area so they could continue providing that help. A few possible scenarios, in order of what I think is most likely. (MOO)

• Squatting - He's hiding out in a rental property or a vacant property that his parents--with their real estate connections--arranged, probably somewhere within a few hours of North Port, but not so close that it'd raise suspicions. He (or a family member) is using some sort of PayPal-type account (not connected to a bank or known email address) to pay for food delivery to the location.
  
  
• Carlton Reserve - If he was there, I think it would only have been with the help of food and supply drops from his family. With such a sharp eye on family members, though, I think this would be a lot more difficult to keep up than they would have originally anticipated, and if he was there initially, I think he's now either dead or long gone.
  
  
• Mexico - I could see this being possible if his parents drove him over the border during their camping trip, but only if he had some basic Spanish skills and some work/labor skills that he could rely on to make some money under-the-table, because I don't think this plan would have involved any continued help from family.
  
  
• Bahamas/Caribbean - Same as above, but riskier because you can't just drive to the Bahamas, so he'd have to take a flight or a boat. I don't think they'd risk leaving a potential trail like that.
  
  
• Appalachian Trail - There's a big difference between "surviving alone" on a trail for a few months vs. "hiding out" on a trail while trying to avoid being recognized, and with this being such a popular route, particularly in the fall, I think we would have heard about suspicious encounters with people matching his description by now.

ALL MOO.

Appalachian Trail or Mexico is where he is, he would not stay in the country and if he is staying he has attempted to commit suicide on something like the Appalachian Trail, IMO.

 

[agilbe]

Two?

does that align with the psychic prediction reported by Walt on wfla? BL to be found 28 days from now, by water. MOO

Never mind, misread the date. Lol

Yes. In Alabama and in Pasco County. Neither of them was in the actual reserve. But at this rate BL could be anywhere. Both of course were confirmed not BL.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The North Port Police Department responded to a 911 call from Laundrie's family on Saturday, reporting that Chapman was on the property of their North Port home, police department spokesman Josh Taylor said.

The reality TV star, who has joined the search to find Laundrie, the fiancée of slain Gabby Petito, was seen knocking on the door of the Laundrie family home on Saturday.

"It's a shame they wouldn't speak with us," Chapman told Fox News on Monday. "The police said we were welcome to knock on the door so we did. I wanted to tell the Laundrie's that our goal is to find Brian and bring him in alive."
Brian Laundrie's family called the police after Dog the Bounty Hunter showed up on their property

 

[Cecelia]

He is also going to be notable for his purchases. He'll need fresh produce. He won't be buying Doritos, Diet Coke in plastic bottles, Little Debbie Cakes, beef jerky ( you know, real survival food). He won't be shopping at the kind of gas station or quickie-mart places that are in smaller towns. He'll need a real grocery store.

That's a stretch, in my opinion. One, he's a fugitive and will take whatever he can get that's quick and cheap, and two, he's a poser. He may have professed against the evils of single-use plastic bottles when he was putting on a show for the police, but it was just that, a show. We're not going to catch him by staking out Whole Foods.