Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #58

[Which_pancake]

People are welcome to think whatever they want, of course, but I think some people are making way too much of BL living at home. We know he did live with his sister so he has lived away from his parents. And as another post indicated, he has traveled away from home for longish periods more than once.
Plus, its just not that unusual in the US to live at home these days. In July 2020 52% of young adults age 18-29 lived with one or both parents, up from 47% in February 2020 These data are from the Pew Research Center & are based on an analysis of monthly Census Bureau data.

This is the highest percentage living at home since The Great Depression. COVID has made the numbers go up obviously. But it's not entirely due to COVID since the number was 47% in February 2020. COVID had not begun to affect the US very much at that point.

A majority of young adults in the U.S. live with their parents for the first time since the Great Depression

Plus, GP was also not living on her own. If there is something negative to be inferred from living under someone else's roof, it would also apply to her. It looks to me like both BL and GP were free spirited young adults with non traditional goals, and I don't think it has anything to do with her death anyway. MOO

 

[Chicago54]

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but aren't cloud backups usually done on high-speed wifi? Traveling on just data (or potentially just the occasional wifi stop) would prevent a lot of phone info from being available without the physical device, right? It's probably safe to say GP connected to the hotel wifi during that stay and BL while home but anything after checking out in SLC could easily not be on the cloud, right?

I may be wrong, but IIRC I thought I read that GP used an external hard drive? And that was in the van when it was recovered…I’ll look for article.

edit: here it is

Hard Drive Found in Gabby Petito's Van, Last Text Details Emerge; Laundrie Still Missing

 

[bestill]

The flowers were on the rock cross:

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local...-spot-where-her-remains-were-found-in-wyoming

 

[WizardQuest]

Yes - Even if his art were to become whittling.
I can imagine a scenario where Maslows Hierarchy of needs are completely met, but for a period of time only.

His art could fulfill love and belonging.
His faulty view of freedom, feeling he is disconnected from government and society can meet esteem.
Self actualization could be him showing himself he can do all this on his own. He doesn’t need anyone else.

In my opinion however, it will start to become circular in his thinking after a few months, maybe even a year. He will never truly be safe even if all his physiological needs are met. He will always be looking over his shoulder, so over periods of time his comfort and sustainment will be met with internal resistance. What we don’t know, is how strong is Brian and what is his willpower? What are his true weaknesses?

imo: He has enormous will power.

Climbing difficult land formations were challenges for him.
He had the will, and he found the way.
He had strength, willpower to do it, endurance and persistence to achieve the goals.
The earth and its tough formations will not control him, he will conquer them.

Van life was a challenge.
He had the will, and found the way even with apparently little money.
He studied what was needed for the travels, accumulated money, mapped out plans, etc.
He probably took on this challenge to get out of being controlled by his parents

Running from the Feds is a challenge:
He is demonstrating again here, that he will not be controlled.
He has the will, and probably thinks he has the abilities to achieve control over his life, even if it is for a short period. Again demonstrating strength, willpower, endurance, and persistence, and defiance.

Moab police stop:
He demonstrated here that he had to do whatever it took to control the situation.
He couldn't fight, He couldn't flee , He had to freeze and surrender to the police, and then it seemed as if he possibly made friends with them on a certain level.
He was able to do that because he had the charisma to do so, and the psychological ability to think on his feet in order that he could stay "safe" and in control.

relationship with GP:
He more than likely did not like being controlled by her, her money, her van, having to clean his feet, etc.
He may have killed her to keep some kind of control over his life.
The argument in Moab seemed to be about who was going to be in control.

etc.


Weakness (could also be a strength): imo: He does not like being controlled.

This weakness/strength may end with him wanting to be in control of his own destiny at any price.

 

[Lillymac]

Do prepaid credit cards have names on them, or are they anonymous?

What is a pre paid credit card? Is it like a gift card?

 

[builder]

I am backtracking to make sure I have all the dates correct and I found a link where two guys were interviewed before GP's body was found they said they saw her van on the 29th, so he couldn't have left Spread Creek before the 29th.
Quote from article:

JACKSON, Wyo.

On Friday, park rangers were also speaking with campers at Spread Creek — it’s a dispersed camping area about 20 minutes east of the park.

KSL’s Garna Mejia actually ran into a local man who said he and a friend saw Petito’s van as they were spotting for elk on Aug. 29.

“He thought he had seen the white sprinter van described — blacked out rims, wheels,” said Tyler Valentine. “We all live in this small town, so when this stuff happens, we all take a little bit of initiative and try to look out for things.”
Also Spread Creek campground is in Bridger-Teton national forest it is not a national park and hunting is permitted as well as target shooting. That means BL could have shot her and maybe no one would have paid attention.

link to story: original report 9/18 from KSL
Search intensifies for Gabby Petito; police respond to Laundrie home in Florida

 

[LietKynes]

The stepfather says that the FBI describe a sweatshirt and it matched the description of one of her favorites that was from a shop that is near where she lived [in NY, I think]. That makes me think that the remains were pretty decomposed; otherwise, wouldn't they would have been able to identify her by her tattoos?

Ok, thanks.
I'm assuming one of her parents had to ID her remains as well ?

 

[Soliloquy]

What is a pre paid credit card? Is it like a gift card?

Yes, except that it is not limited to a specific store or franchise. It is good anywhere that accepts MasterCard, VISA, etc.

 

[borndem]

LOL! I wish I could say! With the juvenille eagles, some of them get it and make it out safely and successfully, while a few do not. Nature vs Nurture?
Or, just dumb luck?

I think he was "the son we always wanted," and I think the parents pampered him and helped him out when he got in trouble -- nothing very serious, etc., but maybe turning in a paper late at school, stealing a baseball glove or a skateboard, etc., etc. Screech! (to use a great example)
I don't think he was very smart, and his parents helped when they could, so he didn't learn much about thinking for himself. Screech! I think he was lazy because his parents -- and maybe even his always-second-to-him sister, bless her -- helped him when he needed it, thereby making him at a loss by himself. Who supplied the camper-van, who kept things clean during the hiking-traveling trip, who probably had more money, who cooked, etc.

Lazy and dumb is a bad combination. He will fail, ultimately, IMO, and either give up, Screech!, or just get caught by smart LEO's. Time is not on his side -- but, he hasn't been caught yet.
Or he could be dead.
Will we ever see the end of this thing??

 

[esayer]

imo: He has enormous will power.

Climbing difficult land formations were challenges for him.
He had the will, and he found the way.
He had strength, willpower to do it, endurance and persistence to achieve the goals.
The earth and its tough formations will not control him, he will conquer them.

Van life was a challenge.
He had the will, and found the way even with apparently little money.
He studied what was needed for the travels, accumulated money, mapped out plans, etc.
He probably took on this challenge to get out of being controlled by his parents

Running from the Feds is a challenge:
He is demonstrating again here, that he will not be controlled.
He has the will, and probably thinks he has the abilities to achieve control over his life, even if it is for a short period. Again demonstrating strength, willpower, endurance, and persistence, and defiance.

Moab police stop:
He demonstrated here that he had to do whatever it took to control the situation.
He couldn't fight, He couldn't flee , He had to freeze and surrender to the police, and then it seemed as if he possibly made friends with them on a certain level.
He was able to do that because he had the charisma to do so, and the psychological ability to think on his feet in order that he could stay "safe" and in control.

relationship with GP:
He more than likely did not like being controlled by her, her money, her van, having to clean his feet, etc.
He may have killed her to keep some kind of control over his life.
The argument in Moab seemed to be about who was going to be in control.

etc.


Weakness (could also be a strength): imo: He does not like being controlled.

This weakness/strength may end with him wanting to be in control of his own destiny at any price.

In what world was Gabby controlling?

 

[Figuring]

A forensics specialist would be able to pull darn near anything from the device if recovered. The only true means to ensure its unrecoverable is to pretty much grind the chips into non-existence.
That said, what settings did they have on their phones, where they in an offline mode and did they have connectivity? anything making it to the cloud or picked up across the networks it's all discoverable, deleted or not. Once its out there thats pretty much it. Wish I knew and understood the darkweb, i'm sure someones got a lot of that data pulled or captured that the FBI has and would fill in lots of info.

Thank you so much for this! It gives me some hope again! I wonder then what they could be searching for so hard at the reserve if they don’t need the phones. I mean, I know they’re looking for BL but just how they were draining swamps & stuff I thought they were looking for objects. Or maybe that was them thinking he may be dead. In any event I am glad to hear they can get the data. Among other things, I think texts during when he went home Aug 17-23 could be pretty illuminating.

 

[CharlestonGal]

What is a pre paid credit card? Is it like a gift card?

Somewhat, but not really. If I give someone a $100 gift card to Target, all they can do with it is purchase $100 worth of things at Target and that's the end of that card.

If I get a prepaid credit card, like a VISA, it is not attached to an actual bank but I can use it as a bank. I can load money onto it, get direct deposit from my job on it, use it at gas stations, grocery stores, shop online, etc. Anything you can do with an actual credit card, but no bank is involved.

 

[CarolynAB2]

Ok, thanks.
I'm assuming one of her parents had to ID her remains as well ?

I don't think the family has seen the remains. In the interview, the stepfather when asked about when he found out that remains were found [3:55 mark], he says that the FBI called and said they had information they wanted to share and a few people from the FBI met with the stepfather in a hotel conference room and told him they found remains. When asked when he was shown the sweatshirt, he said the FBI described the sweatshirt. In my opinion, the sweatshirt would have been badly soiled from decomposing body fluids and that could be why the FBI didn't show it to them. It might be too disturbing for the family to see that. [I'm sure it will be shown if there is a trial, but it may not be the most sensitive thing to show the parents this early on.]

I don't know if they have even been told what is in the autopsy. The FBI seems to be keeping a tight lid on that information.

 

[WizardQuest]

In what world was Gabby controlling?

In the video of the Moab police stop BL stated something along the lines of complaints about his dirty feet.

When disagreements happen (marital spats, wars between countries, sibling arguments), it is usually over who will control the outcome. Both want to be in control.

If one conceded (walked away), there would be no argument. They would be arguing with themselves.

 

[Figuring]

I have seen more than a few mentions of the FBI being able to view financial records of BLs parents to see whether they are supporting him. I think they need a warrant to do that. And there has to be some supporting evidence to obtain a warrant from a judge. So as of yet, I am not certain they could access any of that info. But, as I was contemplating this, a few things came to mind. This might explain why SB and the Ls have backtracked to fess up about the lied about leaving date. And it also may explain some of the reason we saw CL going to the reserve with FBI. I think it is highly likely that the FBI and the SB-L team is playing an elaborate dance to try and find or dodge evidence that would support a warrant on their info. I imagine that LE would be very anxious to find enough supporting evidence that would convince a judge to allow them to carefully scrutinize the Laundries recent spending, phone records, etc. i am sure SB is doing his best to avoid giving them any reason to take to the judge.
ENTIRE POST IMHO ONLY

I saw one of the reporters, Entin or JB, say there are dozens of sealed warrants in this case. They’ve only publicly released the 1 so far (unauthorized use). So I think it’s very possible they could have gotten warrants for the financials.

 

[Balthazar]

I’ve been wondering if the Ls would have had any business or social connections to FL snowbirds that BL would have known about. These connections could go way back to elementary/middle/HS days. I know he was raised in NY- but perhaps they had family ties to the area & vacationed there regularly. For example, if BL took local ice hockey lessons as a child while on vacation in Sarasota/ Venice/ North Port (yes ice rinks are plentiful & BIG in FL), he could have had a friend (or friend’s grandparent) that had a FL vacation home or condo. Maybe even attended a birthday party there. He could have returned there- even if a condo- because units are often vacation rented when the owner isn’t there. Resident owners are so accustomed to this, they pay no attention to unfamiliar faces. And his, with sun hat & facemask, would be unfamiliar.

Unfortunately, C & R aren’t talking, but maybe Cassie remembers. Just can’t think BL is still in that swamp & don’t think suicide. All conjecture. No clue. All I know for sure is that time is passing & no arrest has been made.

Yes, LE needs to look at extended family and family friends as well.

 

[borndem]

Anyone know what the next charge up would be regarding the money withdrawn/spent on the CC?

For instance (only using these as an example):
"Theft $50-$100 Class C Misd."
"Theft $101-$500 Class B Misd."
"Theft $501-$1000 Class A Misd."

His charge is over $1000. Is there a charge after that? Or could it as easily mean $10,400 as $1,001? Hopefully that makes sense. I'm trying to figure out if he could have a substantial amount of cash still from that.

Or, if it's over $1000.00, does it become a felony? I have no idea, just wondering what the Fed law is...

 

[BeanieBod]

Just watched "RV Nomads" on youtube. The last 10 minutes really does explain the difficulty of traveling long term in tight spaces. Apparently it won major recognition and academy award.

Edit for typos

I am confused. What awards did “RV Nomads the movie obtain? Are you mixing it up with NOMADLAND that won a bunch of awards in 2021?

We are part time RVers and I can assure you that it is not for everyone. However, we DO NOT boondock in the wilderness as we consider it unsafe. Even seemingly safe places like North Padre Island (NPI) in Texas can be unsafe for boondooking. NPI is where a couple was murdered in October 2019, their bodies buried in the dunes, their truck and trailer stolen and taken to Mexico. Murderers (man and woman) were caught in Mexico and now await trial in March 2022 that had been postponed due to COVID. If you want to follow a case, it is here on WS; just look for TX - James and Michelle Butler.

 

[Kapua]

So, I got to thinking last night after the thread closed. One fact we know is that the Mustang was ticketed on 9/14/21 near the reserve. We don't know exactly when the car arrived there because the report is redacted, but we know it was there on 9/14/21.

I then followed a theory that someone met Brian at that location and they drove off together in a different vehicle. It doesn't matter who that someone is, some friend or relative. Now this person cannot remain off the grid for longer than an hour or two. So where do you go? The Greyhound Bus Station in Port Charlotte, which is 10 miles away. So say 20 minutes. Brian is dropped off at the station and driver goes on his/her way, without anyone knowing they were gone.

While you can purchase a ticket online in advance using a pre-paid debit card, Greyhound requires ID to board. Hmmm.... Okay. How hard is it to get a fake ID? I decided to find out. *Note: I do NOT recommend anyone else do this.

I pulled out an old laptop I don't use anymore. Installed TOR and a VPN and took a trip to the dark web. Within 2 hours I had arranged a fake ID through 3 different vendors, completely anonymously, couriered to me within 24 hours. They ranged in price from $75 to $225, paid in bitcoin. I DID NOT COMPLETE THESE TRANSACTIONS.

But now I have a fake ID, a pre-paid Greyhound ticket in that name, and a quick ride to get to the station - to go anywhere. My ride cannot pick me up at the house, so we meet along the stretch of road outside the reserve - where I already told my parents I'm going. I leave my wallet and phone at home, but I have a new wallet, a fake ID, pre-paid debit cards and cash. I pick up a burner phone somewhere along my Greyhound route, far from my final destination. I'm now in the wind with the feds and the public searching the reserve and the AT - neither of which I am anywhere close to.

Anyway, that's what I did last night after the thread closed. It was quite doable and quite easy.

Fascinating theory.
At the point in time when BL went on the run, he was not a POI in GP's death, GP's body had not been found, nor had he been charged with credit card fraud. So he was free to go wherever he wanted and his parents and anyone else could have given him money, food, a bus or train ticket, etc. without implicating themselves in a crime, IMHO and IANAL.

I have no solid theory as to where BL may be, but if he was ever in Carlton Reserve, he didn't stay there long hanging out with the gators, pumas, and mosquitos waiting for LE to catch up with him, IMHO. It makes zero sense to stay anywhere near the place you allegedly parked your parents' car. He'll turn up eventually, and I can't wait to find out where. We may all be surprised. MOO

 

[dkryder]

imo: He has enormous will power.

Climbing difficult land formations were challenges for him.
He had the will, and he found the way.
He had strength, willpower to do it, endurance and persistence to achieve the goals.
The earth and its tough formations will not control him, he will conquer them.

Van life was a challenge.
He had the will, and found the way even with apparently little money.
He studied what was needed for the travels, accumulated money, mapped out plans, etc.
He probably took on this challenge to get out of being controlled by his parents

Running from the Feds is a challenge:
He is demonstrating again here, that he will not be controlled.
He has the will, and probably thinks he has the abilities to achieve control over his life, even if it is for a short period. Again demonstrating strength, willpower, endurance, and persistence, and defiance.

Moab police stop:
He demonstrated here that he had to do whatever it took to control the situation.
He couldn't fight, He couldn't flee , He had to freeze and surrender to the police, and then it seemed as if he possibly made friends with them on a certain level.
He was able to do that because he had the charisma to do so, and the psychological ability to think on his feet in order that he could stay "safe" and in control.

relationship with GP:
He more than likely did not like being controlled by her, her money, her van, having to clean his feet, etc.
He may have killed her to keep some kind of control over his life.
The argument in Moab seemed to be about who was going to be in control.

etc.


Weakness (could also be a strength): imo: He does not like being controlled.

This weakness/strength may end with him wanting to be in control of his own destiny at any price.

kinda lacked the willpower to stop slapping his girlfriend around, or screaming at the waitress, or the manager at the texmex. then probably lacked the willpower to not kill gabby. then had no willpower to not use gabby's van or money on trip back home. then had no willpower to keep himself from his master controller parents. the had no willpower to be honest and forthcoming. had no willpower to hire his own lawyer, had to use his parents. yeah, such great willpower. more like pretty much NO willpower AND NO self control. just my opinion only.