Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #69

[Katerz]

Maybe it's the time of year, but my first reaction to

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All I see is the “Scream” character

 

[10ofRods]

Not to be grusome, but they may know that from insect activity on her remains. The life span of the insects tells them a remarkable amout about the time a body has been exposed and decomposing. They may not be able to prove it to the day with that so they put all of it together with a time line of when she was last seen or heard from, as well as SM records. Jmo

Yes, and I suspect that if the Coroner knows his job, those results from the forensic entomologist may not be complete just yet. Species of insect has to be determined, and number of generations of insects has to be studied. Most forensic anthropologists know enough about this to give a rough estimate, but a super specialist in forensic entomologist is the gold standard, not an anthropologist.

Also, I am guessing that not all the pathology/toxicology reports are complete yet. What I find interesting is that the autopsy is sealed and I'm betting the full Coroner's report will be, as well - which irritates my scientific senses, because the more eyes on a case, science-wise, the better. Maybe they'll share it with more experts as some point, but WY doesn't have a lot of people and no major universities with state of the art technology as might be found elsewhere (say, Johns Hopkins or Stanford or Baylor - one could add many places to that list).

Given the other evidence (sightings of the van; how long it was parked at the pull-out; Merry Piglets; texts from Gabby's phone; cessation of typical communication from Gabby and, perhaps, evidence from the van itself...) I think they'll be able to narrow that window even if the ME couldn't upon regular autopsy.

I do wonder how all the jurisdictional stuff is going. The van is impounded and under investigation in FL; the Coroner in WY is going to have to communicate with the investigators in FL; presumably the FBI is helping to coordinate this - but I envision all those transfers of information and subsequent (Zoom?) discussions to be going forward and definitely taking some time.

 

[ce4au]

I really hate that the article is gone now, because I think it said there were maybe two purchases made at the gas station, which made me think a swipe at the gas pump and maybe a swipe inside the store. Now I don't remember if it was from the article or if I read that somewhere else.

If it was a cash withdrawal, he likely had to make multiple withdrawals, possibly at different ATMs since some ATMs limit the amount of money you can withdraw. I have no idea if it was a withdrawal, and now I'm doubting my own theory since a lot of cards have daily withdrawal limits anyway.

I know Walt reported the gas station part on a WFLA live stream.

 

[Claire182]

To most people, yes. Jmo

I thought SB had stated that BL’s warrant was for card use after GP’s death as well, I don’t know why he would say that unless true because it’s certainly not helpful to his client. I’d just had a nap and woke up to people saying TOD was later than the 30th, isn’t the 30th one of the dates on the warrant that he used the card. Sorry sleepy head here haha. MOO

 

[Keyedin]

I know Walt reported the gas station part on a WFLA live stream.

Oh, I'll try to find that later this evening after work and see what he said. Maybe that's where I remember it from.

 

[Keyedin]

SBBM - I believe this quote from NS was in relation to the convo about the storage - e,g, if Gabby's things are not in storage, where are they?

OH, I misunderstood that. Thank you!

 

[cady]

There was a whole point behind my thought process, but I've now completely forgotten where I was going with it after realize the article had been taken down.

I think FBI shut it down after it had been published and the news org complied and didn't explain why they disappeared it. They didn't correct it or update it....just made it vanish. lol. jmo

 

[ce4au]

Oh, I'll try to find that later this evening after work and see what he said. Maybe that's where I remember it from.

I would link it but I don’t remember exactly what live stream it was from. They’ve done so many lol. I would say if not the day the indictment came out then maybe a couple days after that. It was around that time.

 

[GDawg89]

A suspicious character in any case! I believe from other photos I saw (that I am unable to post), he is wearing a mask below his chin, which may be what makes the jaw line appear sharp. MOO In any case, informing law enforcement of a guy off the beaten path, riding a bike with a giant backpack, wearing long sleeves in hot weather, and who is trying to avoid the camera... probably not a bad idea.

just flat out bizarre...jmo...on someone's private property....
heavy backpack
long pants, long sleeves, wearing a mask outdoors, thin tires in sugar sand....
old SMALL FRAME bike with an odd shaped seat
8:40 AM (sunrise was 7:27am, temp around 60 degrees)
Hard to tell if it is BL but would like to know the exact location of this video. There are a number of campgrounds in this area. Is the backpack full of food from a recent trip to a store close to this area?
IMO....Dunnellon - known in early 1800's for first known hard rock phosphate mining in Florida, remote tidewater areas in outskirts with approx. 2,000 population. Definitely remote in areas around Dunnellon.

 

[simplemind]

I thought SB had stated that BL’s warrant was for card use after GP’s death as well, I don’t know why he would say that unless true because it’s certainly not helpful to his client. I’d just had a nap and woke up to people saying TOD was later than the 30th, isn’t the 30th one of the dates on the warrant that he used the card. Sorry sleepy head here haha. MOO

@chupacabra and I have been going down this rabbit hole. @chupacabra made some very good points and I think where we are with this Aug 30 date is laid out in my previous post:
It's true, the date is an assumption only. The FBI says the indictment is related to activities after her death. But the language in the indictment is open in regards to dates, using "on or about" legalese for dates beginning Aug 30 and ending Sep 1.

 

[10ofRods]

So that means felony-murder is off the table? Apologies if I got it wrong but IIRC I think you may have said there wasn't enough evidence to rule it out?

I am sorry now that I brought it up (again), but I did it to point out the absurdity of some of the scenarios (which I am still reading every day). Point is, if BL pushed Gabby and she somehow fell and died (strangled by rocks? Coroner Blue said evidence of thumbs...) or he thought she was not dead (partly strangled - died later, of which I can find only the one case posted here - and that was a self strangulation in an elderly man, where the pressure of his thumbs was in entirely different place than would be the case with someone else doing the strangling)...one could still charge BL with something. Pushing someone down onto the ground, hard enough to incapacitate them, is a felony. Person dies later from those injuries, it's still murder (we don't need the felony. murder rule for that).

Stealing the person's stuff (including money) and abandoning them at the side of a road (still alive) could be a felony though, as well. The van was worth about $12,000 and it was negligent to leave the van's owner stranded in a place like the one Gabby was found (temperatures alone made it a reckless or negligent thing to do...but a lot would depend on a jury's sense of things).

Sadly, I don't think we'll see murder charges (second or third degree or otherwise), until BL is found. Would hope to be proved wrong.

 

[simplemind]

So that means felony-murder is off the table? Apologies if I got it wrong but IIRC I think you may have said there wasn't enough evidence to rule it out?

This is in reference to the current warrant related to the unauthorized use of an access device. A future (or sealed) murder charge is very much on the table if they have enough evidence.

 

[Bekind89]

we don't know. that's the whole reason we're here. The purpose of websleuths is to look for evidence and clues, not form a posse and troll our preferred suspect. The evidence we have to date does not prove that she was dead (or alive) when he left, nor does it prove he was involved directly in her death. If all of that already existed, the need for this forum would cease to exist.

With all due respect, it is most certainly not my job, nor do the FBI need me to. We are here to discuss the case and find info if we can, and also to be free to have our own opinion without being pointlessly argued with. I am not a detective, nor am I a defensive attorney. My opinion isn't going to change what happens to him in the slightest. His guilty behavior by evading LE makes him look more guilty than anything a little website blogger like myself has the power to do Jmo

 

[r131313]

Then he should step into the light like a big boy and tell people he didn't kill her instead of acting as guilty as humanly possible. This is only my opinion. Jmo

I didn't say he was innocent. You said there was evidence that he killed her. I was pointing out that, if there is evidence he killed her, we do not have access to it.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Well, someone posted earlier that they were markers for a 3D reconstruction to be used at future trial - and I would expect that the black marks on the rocks were to denote that particular position needed to be scanned - the orange probably indicates that it was scanned.

They bring a scanner in to scan the general area, using grid markers and GPS, then they put in the points of interest to the particular crime. So, I believe the rocks probably indicate the area (for example) where Gabby's head may have been. I am not sure that the holes in the trees are meaningful to this crime, but they would have gone ahead and scanned some points merely out of possible interest. I'm linking an article below that shows the forensic use and I've asked a couple of colleagues who use this technique in archaeology to comment on what they think it could mean (they don't use orange paint, they use metal markers that are removable from the scene, but paint would be easier).

How 3D Scanning Rebuilds Crime Scenes for Courtrooms | GIM International

My guess is that a lot of those markers won't end up being particularly pertinent to Gabby's death, but at the time they did the scan, the forensics crew would not have known she was strangled, so they marked anything they thought looked suspicious...

@10ofRods in your opinion only, would they have possibly bored out insects? MOO

 

[Gardenista]

Yes it was a bit of a nightmare, to put it mildly.

- In The Sun's article at the weekend, Rose had not specified which condo. She didn't give an address but the Sun implied she had. Very sneaky headlines: 'New details about condo where Brian Laundrie and Gabby Petito lived before their van life trip are revealed by friend'
- The Sun then used the Realtor photos from another condo in the area and implied that that this was THE condo that BL&GP had resided in. The Sun namechecked a PI. Sun/PI claimed that the bicycle & the woman in the photos were Brian's bike, the woman looked like Roberta
- Lots of us discussed the interior to try to find matches. Very difficult to do.
- A few people listed the * alternative* condo addresses which looked more likely( All the Laundrie condo addresses are public record)and compared them to Gabby's photos to match the interiors
- By Monday, a few other people decided that the idea that GP&BL had lived in a condo at any point was now false, Rose was unreliable etc
- By Monday morning, one of the 'protestors' went & did what the Sun & the Sun's PI should have done: knock on the door, check it out.
- warnings were made about The Sun & some MSM reporting re accuracy.

The Sun was misleading, but we found that they lived in a different condo by comparing listing photos and their IGs.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Okay. I was just going by what her best friend Rose had said regarding her living in parents condo in Venice. That's why I searched for the property in Venice. I didn't know they owned another property here in North Port. Yes they sold it in March, 2021.

The living situation like everything else in this case is becoming more strange and muddied instead of more clear. MOO

 

[Allabouttrial]

I really hate that the article is gone now, because I think it said there were maybe two purchases made at the gas station, which made me think a swipe at the gas pump and maybe a swipe inside the store. Now I don't remember if it was from the article or if I read that somewhere else.

If it was a cash withdrawal, he likely had to make multiple withdrawals, possibly at different ATMs since some ATMs limit the amount of money you can withdraw. I have no idea if it was a withdrawal, and now I'm doubting my own theory since a lot of cards have daily withdrawal limits anyway.

This link will take you to the part where WFLA read out the info. on the gas station.

 

[Claire182]

@chupacabra and I have been going down this rabbit hole. @chupacabra made some very good points and I think where we are with this Aug 30 date is laid out in my previous post:
It's true, the date is an assumption only. The FBI says the indictment is related to activities after her death. But the language in the indictment is open in regards to dates, using "on or about" legalese for dates beginning Aug 30 and ending Sep 1.

I took it as he used those cards on those dates and stopped on the 1st. I do not profess to be a legal person, just with what SB has said with the use after her death (not beneficial to BL at all) and the coroners 3/4 weeks (which In my opinion is a lot of leeway in an estimate, from what I took from the coroner is he couldn’t narrow it down any further) the merry piglets sighting, I genuinely think it’s between 27th - 29th. This is, of course my opinion.

 

[SDFinColo]

Brian Laundrie manhunt: Parents go on lengthy errand run in Florida: LIVE UPDATES

Chris and Roberta Laundrie spent about an hour at their local Walmart store just after it opened Tuesday morning, exiting with a shopping cart full of bottled water and other items.

They drove by an AT&T store – but it had not yet opened. Then went to a bank, standing outside the door until its business day began at 9 a.m.

After about 25 minutes inside, they hit the road again, dropping off a box at a nearby FedEx Office storefront.

Then they hopped on Interstate 75 and drove north before reaching another AT&T store in Sarasota.