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Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #79
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Thinking about the partial skull that was found and (so far) no gun being found, I thought how ironic would it be if he was run over by one of the search vehicles!
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Nothing to worry about. I personally think that every shred of potential evidence is important. The experts can sort it out in a lab.
I try to be open to everyone’s thought process but I especially try to use my own query of “What if this was my child, sibling, spouse, parents, etc.?”
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I have no opinion about the Laundries, but a lot of people don’t realize that the term “innocent until proven guilty” only applies to those charged with crimes. There is a “presumption of innocence” in a court of law. The Laundries have not been been charged with a crime and we are not a court of law, so we are free to discuss our thoughts within the parameters set by Websleuths TOS and mod notes at the beginning of each thread.
Why would they alert BL's attorney, that they were going to his parents home to look for him, if they thought he might be there? Wouldn't they be giving him a head start, so he could escape? Why not just spring another warrant on the parents, and bust right on in. Seriously, they weren't actually looking for a fraudster, they were looking for a murderer.
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Good find.
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i still want to know who the "household" member is that SB mentions here, and what he is implying that this person did...because he doesn't seem happy about it, and it seems that it pertains to the missing person report...
dang, i tried to put the time stamp, but i guess it didn't work...it begins about 25:00
dang, i tried to put the time stamp, but i guess it didn't work...it begins about 25:00
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That isn't what she said. Gabby was already dead and there wasn't a thing he could do to change that. So, he saw his parents before his death. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Michael Ruiz on Twitter (Video)
Hikers this morning found a Nalgene water bottle from a Seattle REI Co-op near bone fragments in a #Myakkahatchee Park clearing. It's also by where Chris and Roberta Laundrie found #BrianLaundrie's white dry bag earlier this week. Their son's remains were found nearby Wednesday.
12:38 AM · Oct 24, 2021·Twitter Web App
Brian Entin on Twitter
I reached out to North Port PD after pictures surfaced of what appeared to be bones and other items out at the reserve today.
12:39 PM · Oct 24, 2021·Twitter Web App
Brian Entin on Twitter
Items found at the Carlton Reserve today are "nothing related to this case or any other" according to North Port Police.
12:37 PM · Oct 24, 2021·Twitter Web App
Josh Benson on Twitter
According to North Port Police PIO @JoshTaylorPIO:
"To my understanding, nothing related to this case or any other has been located." (regarding claims of more remains found at the Reserve today) #BrianLaundrie
12:44 PM · Oct 24, 2021·Twitter Web App
Michael Ruiz on Twitter
Police collected some bone fragments at the scene but left the bottle behind.
1:10 PM · Oct 24, 2021·Twitter Web App
Michael Ruiz on Twitter
Here it appears again - https://twitter.com/CantDebateThis/status/1452321704806596618?s=20…
1:35 PM · Oct 24, 2021·Twitter Web App
Michael Ruiz on Twitter
The FBI is now reaching out to the woman who discovered the bottle.
1:47 PM · Oct 24, 2021·Twitter Web App
Michael Ruiz on Twitter
#GabbyPetito family attorney Stafford on the bottle: "We have a picture that's from before she left for her trip. It looks like the bottle. I don't know why it would be left there. It boggles my mind."
2:03 PM · Oct 24, 2021·Twitter Web App
Jossie Carbonare on Twitter
(1/3) JUST IN: Photos circling around of a water bottle allegedly belonging to #GabbyPetito found at Carlton Reserve near where #BrianLaundrie’s remains were found are “false reports”according to North Port Police PIO Josh Taylor.
2:35 PM · Oct 24, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
(2/3) The water bottle seen in photos circling the internet was found at the reserve by people walking by is the same one seen in videos where the inside of the van on YouTube is shown.
2:36 PM · Oct 24, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
(3/3) However, North Port Police PIO Josh Taylor tells me: “As far as I know, nothing related to this case has been found. Bunch of false reports. However, this is an FBI led investigation and they should speak to anything such as that located.”
2:37 PM · Oct 24, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
Michael Ruiz on Twitter
Update from Taylor: “Earlier today I was told there were some reports that turned out to be nothing. If something was found after that, I don't know. Again, the question about possible materials found should be directed to the fbi as it is their case.”
3:39 PM · Oct 24, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
Michael Ruiz on Twitter
FBI has not yet responded to my inquiries.
3:40 PM · Oct 24, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
Michael Ruiz on Twitter
FBI response: “Thank you for reaching out. There is no additional comment at this time. Please monitor Twitter (@FBIDenver) for updates.”
10:01 PM · Oct 24, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
With what we have been told was found (partial skull and some bones) it's quite possible animals got him and caused his death. Boars do attack humans.
I wonder who would have reason to kill BL?
I'd guess Gabby's parents are in just as much pain as when they originally found out she was found dead, especially taking into account her grandmothers post on twitter.
First the pain of losing their only daughter and now the pain of not getting real justice for her in the way of a prison cell for someone.
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Holy cow! Thanks so much! I thought it might be important related to Moab stop but this clears it up.
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He was hardly in a rational frame of mind before he killed her either.
Perhaps he never occupied rationality wholly?
'He likes nature'
Does he really?
Whereas I might agree he likes it as a factory accessory, he strikes me more like a kid that stays on his computer indoors where possible..
I don't know of a single thing or person he liked.
Couldn't he have gone home to see his parents without murdering Gabby first? considering he had just been home , apparently cleaning out a storage facility.. nothing to stop him going home, he doesn't have to murder someone first to do that. Simple.
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I think the OP was referring to after Brian had killed Gabby and went back to Florida the final time.
We don't know what he told his parents, but I doubt he thought they would be ok with Gabby dead as long as he was home with them.
Maybe he did go home because he needed comforting, or because he wanted to see his family one last time. Or maybe he really thought he would get away with it. It's hard to know what was going on in his mind.
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"Innocent until proven guilty" is for the legal system.
LE, judges, jurors, etc.
When there's an arrest/charge/hearing.
Any average Joe member of the general public can think a person is guilty, and say they think a person is guilty.
IMO
Humans make judgments, for better or worse. It can save us.
Sometimes a person isn't even arrested or even on LE radar unless the public thinks they're guilty of something and raises a loud fuss that can't be ignored.
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ha.. I thought the French might have a word for it, ....you added to my vocab, PM..Yes. Gag... Hybristophilia - Wikipedia
Thanks for posting this. As far as I'm concerned, the situation with the water bottle, and whether it's related to the case, is as clear as Myakkahatchee mud.
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Gee, I was going to respond to the gun possibility but then I read the more gruesome possibility.
As for a gun being used, we have no idea whether they found one or not. Hopefully, the searchers were using metal detectors if needed. The weight of a gun would cause it to sink in the water and mud. With flooding that occurred, more silt and mud would have been displaced to easily cover a gun. MOO
Those search vehicles were pretty rugged looking.
The July interaction with LE is the sort of information that kids —of any age—are generally unlikely to voluntarily share with their parents (for a wide variety of reasons!!).
From what I’ve read, GP’s parents appear to have indicated they were unaware (fully? Or of just the most “important” details?) of this incident—which makes sense (to me). IMO, GP would only have shared info if/when she was ready to start seeking help/support (or via accidental or subconscious slip). I don’t think she was quite there yet… BL had strong motivation to reveal nothing at all about it, ever. (That said, IMO, some individuals are compelled to share unnecessary and/or false information [I’m not talking “slips”, “cries for help”, simple guilelessness, etc. Rather, this type of “sharing” is done on a manipulative level, to create/shape/control a narrative and/or—for the sheer pleasure of manipulating/duping. This sort of share would be calculated and controlled, in accordance with the sharer’s intelligence/skill. But I am NOT speculating whether any of that took place on this occasion—rather that nothing, or almost nothing, of substance—true or otherwise—was likely revealed to family members about this incident]).
This is my long-winded attempt to say: I find it doubtful parental units were (factually, substantially—or, most likely [IMO], AT ALL) aware of the MOAB stop. In which case, any speculation regarding subsequent parental action/involvement would be moot…
PS While GP has been reported to have told her mom they were having some issues as a couple, IMO GP would have kept disclosure to a “safe/manageable” minimum. In other words, she might have opened up ever so slightly to her mom —in need of love/support, but guarded (if one has a decent relationship with a loving parent, THIS would be a time to be craving hugs and nurturing! But how much can you say when you don’t want to freak loved ones out OR irrevocably vilify your SO?).
As usual, the above is totally MOO…
(On a different note—but still MOO: that water bottle vid looks fake as $&%#. If so, I hope LE teaches a lesson. Unfortunately, false/misleading info takes on a life of its own — a life of a prolific virus, amplified by the speed and spread of tech and platforms—and the reluctance/inability of an audience to think/vet, combined with an eagerness to judge, share, be seen/heard………)
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Great questions! Here's a scenario I have considered:
Hypothetically, say someone's adult child is involved in a relationship that one or both parents, as well as people in the adult child's close friends/family circle, do not approve of. Could be for a variety of reasons.
Let's say, while traveling out of state, the adult child (I will refer to as AC) has an encounter with LE and someone within their circle believes that if it weren't for the romantic partner, AC would never have been put in such a precarious situation. Perhaps, it could have even infuriated someone in AC's inner circle. Eventually, AC is convinced to separate from their partner and return home alone for a bit (for whatever reason).
During conversations while AC was home, someone within AC's circle, could have become livid at the possibility of more accusations being made about prior incidents and that AC could face some sort of charges for previous violence in the relationship that may have been documented (video, audio, photos, witnesses, etc). They are adamant AC may very well have had his life/reputation ruined by the situation and romantic partner.
Could someone other than AC (but within AC's inner circle) have decided to take matters into their own hands? Could they have traveled to where the partner was and had a confrontation that ended in a homicide?
Anything is possible, especially without knowing the whereabouts (during that time period) of those close to the situation.
Weeks later, AC is found deceased in an area previously searched extensively by LE. BUT the remains are only found by LE after someone in AC's inner circle discovered an item belonging to AC within feet of the remains. Video from the scene shows someone in AC's inner circle making a beeline to the item. Coincidence? Maybe.
Perhaps AC did commit the homicide completely alone. Could someone have gotten rid of AC so he would never talk (if others were involved) or because they blamed AC for causing such a nightmare of events (if he was solely responsible)? Without access to a lot more information, it's impossible to say what actually happened or why.
@Trooper the points you brought up are very valid. Large parts of the narrative portrayed thus far just don't make sense when the details are scrutinized.
*All of this is pure speculation and IMO and not necessarily what I believe happened. Only discussing other scenarios.*
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