Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #80

[Hyway]

Where I am my land goes to the road, but public utilities /municipalities have an easement x feet in, not ownership. I'm not in a basic suburban neighborhood (residents fought down a sidewalk, for example, in order to preserve the character of the road though in a suburban town/city), so maybe it's done differently where you have that little strip. Either way, that stuff should be down.

I agree that stuff should be removed since no matter whether it's the property owner or the road owner who owns that strip it's not owned by the protesters. And for sure there are differences around the country, but usually when I did deed research to include on design plans for public roadway projects the roadway usually had a property footprint wide enough to include shoulders ( either paved or unpaved) and a strip for drainage. But sometimes the property owners owned all the way to the centerline and the entire road was on an easement. It was rare for the owners property line to run to the actual pavement, but occasionally we'd run across places where the road was widened later all the way to the right of way line. It's just really weird for a road to be built and the federally required shoulder not be included in it's right of way unless it's a privately owned road.

 

[JudgeJudi]

www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/websleuths-lingo.193885/

 

[cottonweaver]

I think that at the time, FBI was not in search mode, but why they did not communicate with NPPD to go check out the MYA park is beyond me. Did NPPD really not know that the car they ticketed on the 14th was the same car they had on surveillance on Monday the 13th? And was retrieved by L's on the 15th....oh, that's right, they saw Brian return on Wed, a lot shorter, broader, wider, wearing a muu muu on the 15th.....nevermind! jmo

did you notice that nppd was now releasing public info on infra red searches?
Thing is, due to tweeps & I assume WSers checking flight patterns at the time, most people knew this already & at the time & if you scroll down to the replies to JB, you can see the dates where tweeps were making that public on 21st

Weeks ago, sources told me overnight aerial searches for #BrianLaundrie were being conducted at the reserve. Held off on reporting it. Josh Taylor of
@NorthPortPolice
confirmed to me today that FLIR & infrared tech was used via chopper and drones in the overnight search efforts

https://twitter.com/WFLAJB/status/1453375010236665856

 

[JudgeJudi]

There is a case now listed for Small Claims court by the protester against CL over that sign.
The truck that was there for the removal of the memorial was labeled Code Enforcement.

She sued for the grand sum of $40 “plus court fees, any other costs and for such other and further relief deemed just and proper” for his removal of the sign that said "What if it was Cassie".

Link

 

[Hyway]

Where I am my land goes to the road, but public utilities /municipalities have an easement x feet in, not ownership. I'm not in a basic suburban neighborhood (residents fought down a sidewalk, for example, in order to preserve the character of the road though in a suburban town/city), so maybe it's done differently where you have that little strip. Either way, that stuff should be down.

I agree that ght of way line. It's just

I think it was just as they said, that they were concerned for his safety. They knew he left his wallet and phone behind and likely wasn't planning on traveling. They also knew he wouldn't be able to survive long in the reserve. Imo

Right and they thought LE knew he was there so why report him missing?

 

[cady]

SB said they reported him missing in 9/17 so LE could use the appropriate resources to locate him, does it really make sense to hold that off?

SB also said there was no further communication with the FBI after that initial comment. While there are areas where it appears NPPD very obviously dropped the ball, the FBI seemed to immediately put the resources into search efforts once the report was filed, which seems to indicate the initial comment was said in passing and not indicative of any concern that may have been had at the time.

Putting everything else aside and focusing just on this instance, your young adult child has said or acted in some way that has concerned you and at least made you attempt to talk them out of leaving. They have no phone, no wallet, and three days later no method of travel because you've removed it from where they left it to keep it from being towed. You haven't communicated with them or seen them in several days and as far as you know they are still in a park that is open to the public. What do you do?

GO look for him yourself! You are the best guesser as to where he may be in the Reserve. But, they didn't, after they retrieved the Mustang. That's why I have suspected that they thought he had killed himself, or left the reserve for parts unknown. But L's never thought he left the reserve. Better yet, swallow your pride and ask NPPD for help finding him. jmo

 

[CaffienatedOwl]

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Thanks for posting this.... If I would ever see ROFLMAOPMP I would think someone was randomly typing letters. I am most definitely going to be trying to use this as often as possible!!
(ROFLMAOPMP= Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Arse Off Peeing My Pants)

 

[CaffienatedOwl]

did you notice that nppd was now releasing public info on infra red searches?
Thing is, due to tweeps & I assume WSers checking flight patterns at the time, most people knew this already & at the time & if you scroll down to the replies to JB, you can see the dates where tweeps were making that public on 21st



https://twitter.com/WFLAJB/status/1453375010236665856

SOOO let me just ask why wouldn't this pick up his body since we now know he was in there? Wrong section being searched?

 

[Hyway]

SB said they reported him missing in 9/17 so LE could use the appropriate resources to locate him, does it really make sense to hold that off?

SB also said there was no further communication with the FBI after that initial comment. While there are areas where it appears NPPD very obviously dropped the ball, the FBI seemed to immediately put the resources into search efforts once the report was filed, which seems to indicate the initial comment was said in passing and not indicative of any concern that may have been had at the time.

Putting everything else aside and focusing just on this instance, your young adult child has said or acted in some way that has concerned you and at least made you attempt to talk them out of leaving. They have no phone, no wallet, and three days later no method of travel because you've removed it from where they left it to keep it from being towed. You haven't communicated with them or seen them in several days and as far as you know they are still in a park that is open to the public. What do you do?

Yes once they learned le didn't have eyes on him and they hadn't heard from him as well they probably knew then he was dead and told police he wasn't in the house like NPPD thought he was.

If your concerned for your son because he's suicidal about what he did and/or about what he's facing then sending in armed officers if the law to yank him out of the swamp is not the way you want to lessen those concerns

 

[Keyedin]

SOOO let me just ask why wouldn't this pick up his body since we now know he was in there? Wrong section being searched?

Possibly wrong section. I can't remember when the flooding began, but if LE is correct in that he was likely dead not long after arriving at the park, would water have cooled the body to the point it wouldn't have been picked up by thermal sensors?

 

[Keyedin]

Yes once they learned le didn't have eyes on him and they hadn't heard from him as well they probably knew then he was dead and told police he wasn't in the house like NPPD thought he was.

If your concerned for your son because he's suicidal about what he did and/or about what he's facing then sending in armed officers if the law to yank him out of the swamp is not the way you want to lessen those concerns

I'll ask again: Putting everything else aside and focusing just on this instance, your young adult child has said or acted in some way that has concerned you and at least made you attempt to talk them out of leaving. They have no phone, no wallet, and three days later no method of travel because you've removed it from where they left it to keep it from being towed. You haven't communicated with them or seen them in several days and as far as you know they are still in a park that is open to the public. What do you do?

 

[cottonweaver]

https://twitter.com/WFLAJB/status/1453375010236665856

SOOO let me just ask why wouldn't this pick up his body since we now know he was in there? Wrong section being searched?

if you go to the twitter replies, it seems those infrared night flights started on 21st
If he entered on 13th, he way well have been dead before that.
( Owl, the replies also have maps so you can check locations & compare. TBH I had assumed that reporters who have specialised on the case would be doing these comparison analyses themselves)


And Josh T accepts the latter himself - it was in his previous statement which said wtte: us losing him made no difference cuz he was probably dead quite soon after he left. ( The Josh statement that was contradictory cuz he next mentioned costs of searches)

 

[Nikynoo]

I'll ask again: Putting everything else aside and focusing just on this instance, your young adult child has said or acted in some way that has concerned you and at least made you attempt to talk them out of leaving. They have no phone, no wallet, and three days later no method of travel because you've removed it from where they left it to keep it from being towed. You haven't communicated with them or seen them in several days and as far as you know they are still in a park that is open to the public. What do you do?

First, I would search all the places he could be. I would probably enlist the help of family and friends.

BUT - It depends on the circumstances. I have been through this myself a number of times with a young adult (at ages 16,19 and 23). The thing is on the first two occasions, it was as I stated above, the third warranted direct assistance from LE (in our area, this is something that LE excel at), because by then, he had a mode of transport and could have been in a wider area.

It really does depend not only on the circumstances, but also on that young adults previous MH history and their normal activities.

 

[CharlestonGal]

There are also utility easements that might go anywhere on your property, but most of the time the road owners outright own that strip of land next to the road.

Yes. There is also an easement at the back of my property that houses the cable junction box that serves 5-6 houses. Though I own the land, these easements are clearly shown on the plat and I had to accept them when I bought the property. I see various cable companies at the back easement on a fairly frequent basis, but this is the first time they've torn up the front easement. They did restore it nicely and you can't even tell they were there.

These easements are for utilities only though. The general public cannot use them or place signs, memorials, etc on my land even on the easement.

 

[cady]

First, I would search all the places he could be. I would probably enlist the help of family and friends.

BUT - It depends on the circumstances. I have been through this myself a number of times with a young adult (at ages 16,19 and 23). The thing is on the first two occasions, it was as I stated above, the third warranted direct assistance from LE (in our area, this is something that LE excel at), because by then, he had a mode of transport and could have been in a wider area.

It really does depend not only on the circumstances, but also on that young adults previous MH history and their normal activities.

L's KNEW that BL was not home, even if NPPD thought that he was. If they were so worried, which as we see now, they were, then they should have corrected NPPD's assessment and looked for him themselves, and told NPPD where exactly they thought he was within the reserve so that NPPD could use proper vehicles to access the area. I think they were giving him time to leave the reserve, if he was not already deceased.....which they suspected, themselves. jmo

 

[EvieIvyOver]

I'll ask again: Putting everything else aside and focusing just on this instance, your young adult child has said or acted in some way that has concerned you and at least made you attempt to talk them out of leaving. They have no phone, no wallet, and three days later no method of travel because you've removed it from where they left it to keep it from being towed. You haven't communicated with them or seen them in several days and as far as you know they are still in a park that is open to the public. What do you do?

According to what I've heard, they did go looking for him where they thought he would be. It sounds like that area became flooded right around that same time. So, if I knew where my son may be in that park, and when I got there it was flooded, I would not search the rest of the park. Especially since the FBI was intensely searching all areas, and the park was closed off to the public--including me. What alternative are you suggesting for them?

 

[cady]

According to what I've heard, they did go looking for him where they thought he would be. It sounds like that area became flooded right around that same time. So, if I knew where my son may be in that park, and when I got there it was flooded, I would not search the rest of the park. Especially since the FBI was intensely searching all areas, and the park was closed off to the public--including me. What alternative are you suggesting for them?

We are talking about the first few days, here. NOT after the park closed and searches began. L's never looked for him after they took the Mustang back. And they KNEW that he was in there, and where he most likely was.....but they refused to share that information with NPPD. jmo

 

[Tiff23fr]

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