Kyle Clifford: Wanted in connection with triple murder in Bushey, 3 women murdered in home, 9th July 2024 *arrest*

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Alyce said:
Hopefully the sentence will be so high that the small reduction given for a guilty plea will not overly affect the length of prison time.
I would say a whole of life might be considered here, but sadly, as most of us know, it will not be allowed.
There will be the usual, no prior convictions, mitigation.
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"In cases such as a carefully planned murder of two or more people, or a murder committed by an offender who
had already been convicted of murder the starting point for an offender aged 21 or over is a whole life tariff."

I think there will probably be aggravating factors here as well - mental/physical suffering before death and premeditation.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/FINAL-Murder-sentencing-leaflet-for-web1.pdf
 
Grouse said:
"In cases such as a carefully planned murder of two or more people, or a murder committed by an offender who
had already been convicted of murder the starting point for an offender aged 21 or over is a whole life tariff."

I think there will probably be aggravating factors here as well - mental/physical suffering before death and premeditation.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/FINAL-Murder-sentencing-leaflet-for-web1.pdf
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Agreed, whoever is found guilty of this crime will almost certainly be spending the rest of their lives behind bars. In the extremely unlikely event they don't, they would certainly not qualify for release after only 40% time served.
 
Grouse said:
"In cases such as a carefully planned murder of two or more people, or a murder committed by an offender who
had already been convicted of murder the starting point for an offender aged 21 or over is a whole life tariff."

I think there will probably be aggravating factors here as well - mental/physical suffering before death and premeditation.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/FINAL-Murder-sentencing-leaflet-for-web1.pdf
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Clearly, this crime falls well within the scope of a whole life tariff, with precious little by way of mitigating factors to take it any lower that we know of. Perhaps his defence barrister will advise him that the only way to avoid dying in jail will be a guilty plea.

That, or they try to argue insanity.
 
I think it's going to be very hard to plead mental health or insanity here. The murders were clearly premeditated and it's been suggested there was torture involved. Obviously we won't know the details until the trial, unless he pleads guilty of course. I really can't see any mitigating circumstances having much of an impact on sentencing. All moo.
 
Yellowbelly said:
Clearly, this crime falls well within the scope of a whole life tariff, with precious little by way of mitigating factors to take it any lower that we know of. Perhaps his defence barrister will advise him that the only way to avoid dying in jail will be a guilty plea.

That, or they try to argue insanity.
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Re Insanity

- What was his job?

- Was he able to hold the job/s for long periods of time?

- Was he undergoing some psychiatric /psychological treatments?

- What is his psychological profile?

- Was he involved in Domestic Abuse before?

- Did he suffer from confusion and disorientation before?

- Did he suffer from bizarre or unusual thinking?

- Did he withdraw from family, friends and others?

- Did he engage in destructive or high-risk behaviour?

- Did he suffer from hallucinations?

Etc., etc.

And so on...
And so forth...

Insanity symptoms must be documented.

It is not Eureka moment,
like
"Your Honour
My client is...umm...
Insane!"
:rolleyes:

JMO
 
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The article (link below) explains Kyle Clifford will be receiving treatment at hospital for some time and that they haven't spoken to him and will be guided by healthcare professionals when it's appropriate to do so.

www.watfordobserver.co.uk

Murder suspect to receive treatment 'for some time'

Kyle Clifford, arrested after the murder of members of BBC commentator John Hunt's family in Bushey, is still being treated.
www.watfordobserver.co.uk www.watfordobserver.co.uk
 
Kemug said:
Wow, he must have been so close to death!
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I suspected murder suicide from the start -
as I wrote about it earlier.

But botched suicide.

After all,
I don't think killing oneself is easy,
as it is against natural instinct.

He might have wanted
"Suicide by cops".

And also,
I think choosing cemetery as his final place is significant.

JMO
 
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Teeniesmum said:
The article (link below) explains Kyle Clifford will be receiving treatment at hospital for some time and that they haven't spoken to him and will be guided by healthcare professionals when it's appropriate to do so.

www.watfordobserver.co.uk

Murder suspect to receive treatment 'for some time'

Kyle Clifford, arrested after the murder of members of BBC commentator John Hunt's family in Bushey, is still being treated.
www.watfordobserver.co.uk www.watfordobserver.co.uk
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Alhough I would imagine a lot of people may wonder why they would bother to give extensive treatment; the shrinks will be anxious to work on his case as it rather unusual if he is guilty of what he is going to be charged with.
 
crespo29 said:
Alhough I would imagine a lot of people may wonder why they would bother to give extensive treatment; the shrinks will be anxious to work on his case as it rather unusual if he is guilty of what he is going to be charged with.
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Healthcare is healthcare regardless of the person receiving it. And for what it's worth, making sure he is in full health will ensure a fair and accurate trial
 
crespo29 said:
I am not sure anyone was suggesting that healthcare was going to be withheld from anyone, even murderous psychopaths deserve the best healthcare.
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All the uninsured poor people in US (I am one) might wish you hadn't worded it quite like that.

*Not digging at you really, it's just such an overarching issue in the US w/access to healthcare being so tied to insurance and personal income (or lack of both!)...
 
sunspun said:
All the uninsured poor people in US (I am one) might wish you hadn't worded it quite like that.

*Not digging at you really, it's just such an overarching issue in the US w/access to healthcare being so tied to insurance and personal income (or lack of both!)...
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This case is in the UK, were we have at the moment at least, a free health care system for all.
 
d0lphin said:
The expression is 'free at the point of use'
Yes, we are very lucky to have this in the UK.
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As in the whole of Europe :)

"Almost all European countries have healthcare available for all citizens.

Most European countries have systems of competing private health insurance companies, along with government regulation and subsidies for citizens who cannot afford health insurance premiums.

Countries with universal healthcare include:

Austria, Belarus,Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Moldova, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom."

List of countries with universal health care - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org
 
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