ZFG Civil Case: Casey's Deposition #2

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I didn't watch the summary judgment hearing and hadn't realized that ZG's lawyers dropped the argument that the case was based on Casey's statements to police!

Now it all comes down to whether or not Cindy was acting with Casey's (implied?) direction when she went out and said that Casey was never shown a picture of the Kissimmee girl, hmmm? I'm willing to bet Cindy could lose that case in front of a jury.

BTW does anyone have a link or reference to where Cindy said that to the media? I probably saw it at the time, but I don't recall what exactly she said. Must have been 7/25/08 or not long after.

I didn't find the video, itself, AZlawyer, but I did find where it was shown during her M&M depo on April 9th that CarolinaMoon referenced: pg79 http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0612/19734572.pdf

Plus much more pertinent info on preceding and following pages.

 

[NavySubMom]

http://www.wave3.com/story/17407982/casey-anthony-civi-case-hearing-friday

Casey Anthony civil case hearing to be held Friday
Posted: Apr 13, 2012 7:03 AM EDT
Updated: Apr 13, 2012 7:05 AM EDT

"ORLANDO, FL (CNN) - Casey Anthony's lawyer is doing everything he can to make sure a defamation lawsuit against his client won't go to trial.

This afternoon, a Florida judge will hear Anthony's defense attorney argue for dismissal of the lawsuit. ......... <snipped> "

just saw this link on another website, not sure if this is a pre-planned hearing that was scheduled since before the ruling yesterday, or not? no time listed. so "complete dismissal" appears different than a Motion for Summary Judgment. Not sure if any Motions for Dismissal were filed, not linked in the article, anyway.............

p.s. never heard of Wave3 newschannel, not sure if this is correct information, but I would think so it is from Orlando???

o.k. found another link for this, looks like exact same article repeated here:
http://www.wmctv.com/story/17407982/casey-anthony-civil-case-hearing-friday

ETA: I'm wondering it this story is accurate, I can't find anything else to confirm it from any of the other more popular FL TV stations, if it is not correct, I apologize for bringing it here.... wondering if the breaking news in the Zimmerman/Martin case if completely overshadowing any FCA news?? not that Munyon would actually RULE on anything today if there is a hearing for dismissal or not, lol, so we can read about it later if it is true, again, if it is NOT true, sorry about that

 

[AZlawyer]

Hi AZlawyer,

I'm coming out of a self-imposed exile concerning CA to post that M&M discussed this very issue with Cindy Anthony in her deposition on April 9, 2009 and played a video of her TV appearance.

It was, needless to say, quite the Cindy Show. Anyone with the intestinal fortitude I no longer possess can watch the video posted on the M&M website. Scroll all the way down to the bottom. Her deposition is the last on the left.

Good luck and good to be back for a bit!

http://www.forthepeople.com/casey-anthony-case.htm

I didn't find the video, itself, AZlawyer, but I did find where it was shown during her M&M depo on April 9th that CarolinaMoon referenced: pg79 http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0612/19734572.pdf

Plus much more pertinent info on preceding and following pages.

Thank you!! Now that I read what Cindy said, it does sound like (1) she thinks she was acting on behalf of Casey and (2) she was trying to convince the media that the police were lying about Casey saying she didn't recognize the ZG in Kissimmee (because they had never shown Casey the picture).

And I think Casey said somewhere in the 7/25/08 jail visit that she wanted her mom to go out and talk to the media about the information Casey was providing to her.

So hmmm. Now that this case is going to a jury, I think Casey had better think about settling.

IMO ZG suffered little to no damage because her life/reputation wasn't that great to begin with, but that argument can certainly backfire before a jury.

 

[FLmom777]

http://www.wave3.com/story/17407982/casey-anthony-civi-case-hearing-friday

Casey Anthony civil case hearing to be held Friday
Posted: Apr 13, 2012 7:03 AM EDT
Updated: Apr 13, 2012 7:05 AM EDT

"ORLANDO, FL (CNN) - Casey Anthony's lawyer is doing everything he can to make sure a defamation lawsuit against his client won't go to trial.

This afternoon, a Florida judge will hear Anthony's defense attorney argue for dismissal of the lawsuit. ......... <snipped> "

just saw this link on another website, not sure if this is a pre-planned hearing that was scheduled since before the ruling yesterday, or not? no time listed. so "complete dismissal" appears different than a Motion for Summary Judgment. Not sure if any Motions for Dismissal were filed, not linked in the article, anyway.............

p.s. never heard of Wave3 newschannel, not sure if this is correct information, but I would think so it is from Orlando???

o.k. found another link for this, looks like exact same article repeated here:
http://www.wmctv.com/story/17407982/casey-anthony-civil-case-hearing-friday

ETA: I'm wondering it this story is accurate, I can't find anything else to confirm it from any of the other more popular FL TV stations, if it is not correct, I apologize for bringing it here.... wondering if the breaking news in the Zimmerman/Martin case if completely overshadowing any FCA news?? not that Munyon would actually RULE on anything today if there is a hearing for dismissal or not, lol, so we can read about it later if it is true, again, if it is NOT true, sorry about that

I saw those same articles and do not know where they are. Neither of those sites are local to Orlando. I am wondering if these are old articles from the last hearing.

 

[NavySubMom]

I saw those same articles and do not know where they are. Neither of those sites are local to Orlando. I am wondering if these are old articles from the last hearing.

I agree FLmom, I think they have wrong information :waitasec:, don't see this listed anywhere else, so I am assuming it is not true. So please ignore that post from me above whoever may have read it, sorry about that..........

 

[princesspjs]

Thank you!! Now that I read what Cindy said, it does sound like (1) she thinks she was acting on behalf of Casey and (2) she was trying to convince the media that the police were lying about Casey saying she didn't recognize the ZG in Kissimmee (because they had never shown Casey the picture).

And I think Casey said somewhere in the 7/25/08 jail visit that she wanted her mom to go out and talk to the media about the information Casey was providing to her.

So hmmm. Now that this case is going to a jury, I think Casey had better think about settling.

IMO ZG suffered little to no damage because her life/reputation wasn't that great to begin with, but that argument can certainly backfire before a jury.

BBM: If I were on a jury and the defense used this logic as to why she sould be found not guilty or that there should be little, if any award of damages - this would backfire BIG TIME with me!

This is basically saying that ZG's life is less valuable than someone who had more money, a better job, a better place to live or a different circle of friends.

I believe that ANYONE can be slandered/defamed. Well, maybe Manson, FCA, Bundy, Dahmer, etc...IMO those kinds of people couldn't be slandered/defamed.

A single mother who is looking for a job and a new place to live...yes, she can be slandered/defamed.

IMO, JMO, MOO

 

[logicalgirl]

BBM: If I were on a jury and the defense used this logic as to why she sould be found not guilty or that there should be little, if any award of damages - this would backfire BIG TIME with me!

This is basically saying that ZG's life is less valuable than someone who had more money, a better job, a better place to live or a different circle of friends.

I believe that ANYONE can be slandered/defamed. Well, maybe Manson, FCA, Bundy, Dahmer, etc...IMO those kinds of people couldn't be slandered/defamed.

A single mother who is looking for a job and a new place to live...yes, she can be slandered/defamed.

IMO, JMO, MOO

I couldn't agree more! Even if ZG has a terrible reputation that the whole world knew about, FCA, CA and FCA's lawyer's have no right to add to that reputation by smearing and certainly for laying out what reputation she does have for all the world to see. IMO of course.:moo:

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I distinctly recall that, at the time (in 2008), when this whole issue came up, someone here at WS was in touch with ZG. She wasn't in a good place in her life and what happened with this case made it worse. IIRC, she and her children were receiving death threats and were thoroughtly harassed to the point "we" who were posting at the time urged her to find an attorney. Well, she certainly did.

When you have nothing, your reputation is all you have. I don't know what sort of reputation she had at the time, but her experience with FCA certainly didn't improve her lot in life.

I searched for a link to the thread where this was discussed and can't find it. It's possible that, because of comments made about her, it was pulled. I did find this thread which went nowhere in September, 2008. I am not a very good sleuth at finding 3-year-old posts, but I remember it all like it was yesterday.

Zenaida wants her day in court; regardless of the outcome, she will get it (or so it seems for the time being.)

 

[BigMomma]

BigMomma!!!! Glad you are back!!!

:seeya:Heeey! Thank You! We decided to get out of Dodge for Easter-Away from tv phones, etc. and have a nice family gathering 26 miles across the sea-lol.

I see that the interest in OCA has reared it's head here on our local news this morning. They gave a teaser about OCA and charges filed against her-Perked up my ears and had to run into the tv room-I thought it was something new, they made it sound like something other than what's already going on, but just turned out to be a really delayed report about the ZG case going to trial. Gotta love the media-That's why I come in here to check for a more clarified version of what's really going on w/her.

I didn't watch ZG on the Dr. show, but in fairness, I do think she has a right to go after whoever started this carp and threw her name, in part, into it. IDK, but some days I think OCA just threw out whatever bs to her mother to see what mom would do-sort of like a payback to make mom out to be the instigator, or maybe-aw who knows with that bunch, anyway, at the same time, I find it highly suspicious that this woman who went to Sawgrass was singled out, her name, in part, was anyway-I'd sure like to know how all that came about on the OCA side. I know, I know, so many names were being thrown out there like bait, but the name was used on the 911 tape 1st, and I know OCA used to hang out at Sawgrass prior, but who actually got that name, who went to the lengths to use this paticular name? Or was it just another combined effort? I still think the 31 days was in some way to get ducks in a row to confuse the masses. In my own life, if the little butterball isn't visiting, we call each other at least once a week, but I think to myself if they had lived here and I was pretty much the sole provider of my granddaughters care, you best believe I'd be making a call to authorities with-in a week if a story didn't wash as to their whereabouts or if I did either talk to my grandaughter or at least heard her in the background. I also know as sure as the sun comes up, if I had a daughter who couldn't be trusted, I sure would not put my neck out there and sway myself to believe my daughter had a job and a babysitter/nanny when I know I was always the babysitter and always supported the family, kwim?

 

[zippitydoda]

Thank you Carolina Moon...it was an exhausting read(again)...

Everything seems so much clearer now. CA smugly admits to prepping in advance to this, showing off by reciting pages numbers and dates, so perhaps she had it in her mind what M & M's end game was, and she just had to show them up. CA's big mouth, like she knows more than seasoned attorneys in this instance - even her own. Mr. Conway's advice to CA was "STOP" over and over, and she still had to run her mouth. If she had just stuck with her instructed yes or no answers...what a fool, she ended up putty in their hands.

From pages 183 & 184.

Q You went on television -- instead of clearing this person's name when you had the opportunity on television to clear this person's name, even though that the police had told you, that Casey had told you that, this Zenaida Gonzalez was not the person she picked out, you went on TV and did not clear her name that night, did you?

A No, because I didn't know --
Q Yes or no the way you like it?
A I didn't --
Q Yes or no the way you like it?
A No, because I didn't know her name was C. Zenaida Gonzalez or I would have -- Gonzale or I would have cleared her name.
Q Let's don't play games. You like it --
A I said Zanny.
Q You like it --
A I didn't say C. Zenaida. What's C stand for?
Q You know --
A Zenaida's probably her middle name.
Q You knew when you went on TV that night that this woman was not the Zenaida Gonzalez and you did not clear her name, did you? Yes or no, if you dare?
A No.
Q Thank you.
A No.
Q And then, ma'am, in fact, you published the defamation and you slandered this woman yourself in that publication; isn't that true? Yes or no?
A No.
MR. MORGAN: That's all I have.
THE WITNESS: Nope. You slandered me --
MR. CONWAY: Stop.
THE WITNESS: -- on TV.
MR. CONWAY: Stop.
THE WITNESS: And you've perjured yourself with this --
MR. CONWAY: Stop.
THE WITNESS: -- because she's not Fernandez.
MR. DILL: Let's go off the video record.
THE WITNESS: So there you go. You want to fight it, go for it. Prove to us that she is Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez.
THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 4:17. We'll go off the record.
THE WITNESS: Prove it
MR. MORGAN: I have, Cindy. I have.

 

[BigMomma]

Thank you Carolina Moon...it was an exhausting read(again)...

Everything seems so much clearer now. CA smugly admits to prepping in advance to this, showing off by reciting pages numbers and dates, so perhaps she had it in her mind what M & M's end game was, and she just had to show them up. CA's big mouth, like she knows more than seasoned attorneys in this instance - even her own. Mr. Conway's advice to CA was "STOP" over and over, and she still had to run her mouth. If she had just stuck with her instructed yes or no answers...what a fool, she ended up putty in their hands.

From pages 183 & 184.

Q You went on television -- instead of clearing this person's name when you had the opportunity on television to clear this person's name, even though that the police had told you, that Casey had told you that, this Zenaida Gonzalez was not the person she picked out, you went on TV and did not clear her name that night, did you?

A No, because I didn't know --
Q Yes or no the way you like it?
A I didn't --
Q Yes or no the way you like it?
A No, because I didn't know her name was C. Zenaida Gonzalez or I would have -- Gonzale or I would have cleared her name.
Q Let's don't play games. You like it --
A I said Zanny.
Q You like it --
A I didn't say C. Zenaida. What's C stand for?
Q You know --
A Zenaida's probably her middle name.
Q You knew when you went on TV that night that this woman was not the Zenaida Gonzalez and you did not clear her name, did you? Yes or no, if you dare?
A No.
Q Thank you.
A No.
Q And then, ma'am, in fact, you published the defamation and you slandered this woman yourself in that publication; isn't that true? Yes or no?
A No.
MR. MORGAN: That's all I have.
THE WITNESS: Nope. You slandered me --
MR. CONWAY: Stop.
THE WITNESS: -- on TV.
MR. CONWAY: Stop.
THE WITNESS: And you've perjured yourself with this --
MR. CONWAY: Stop.
THE WITNESS: -- because she's not Fernandez.
MR. DILL: Let's go off the video record.
THE WITNESS: So there you go. You want to fight it, go for it. Prove to us that she is Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez.
THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 4:17. We'll go off the record.
THE WITNESS: Prove it
MR. MORGAN: I have, Cindy. I have.

Gawd,,, that total farce on their part still makes me laugh while shaking my head in utter disbelief; how CA (and GA as well)thought she'd get the one upmanship on this Depo. The best part was when M&M showed CA her MS page-funny! I sometimes feel that all this Foundation stuff in part was to not only get off the hook with creditors at the time, but forseeing all these outlandish things that were blantantly said would from shield them from anybody suiing them that unfortunately crossed their paths that they percieved as offensive-gave them free reign to flap their traps while being protected from a lawsuit. This is why I think we do not see a combined lawsuit against not only OCA but her parents as well. While I do support the efforts of TES and the others, I still hold out hope that they all will be victorious with their cases, it is 1 way to stop OCA in her tracks from trying to profit by a book-nobody is interested, an interview-nobody is interested; besides, I'm sure she is well aware any money she makes in the future(questionable)will be subject to a lien for a long time to come. Good.

Now I need to ask an attorney in here a Q. If there is a judgement/lien on her and she marries after the fact, is the lien still active or is it closed? tia.

 

[wonders]

BBM: If I were on a jury and the defense used this logic as to why she sould be found not guilty or that there should be little, if any award of damages - this would backfire BIG TIME with me!

This is basically saying that ZG's life is less valuable than someone who had more money, a better job, a better place to live or a different circle of friends.

I believe that ANYONE can be slandered/defamed. Well, maybe Manson, FCA, Bundy, Dahmer, etc...IMO those kinds of people couldn't be slandered/defamed.

A single mother who is looking for a job and a new place to live...yes, she can be slandered/defamed.

IMO, JMO, MOO

Totally agree princesspjs. It wouldn't even matter to me if she had been a crack head street walker. She is a human being who has feelings unlike any of the Anthony's. Futher more the felon was no better then ZG, as a matter of fact IMO she was way worse then ZG. I'll bet ZG can tell you what the name of each one of her childrens fathers are and the felon can't even tell you 1 name of who Caylee's dad is/was. I realize ZG may not get much from this law suit but I can have my dreams that she would put the felon in the poor house for the rest of her life. I also feel it is a crying shame that at least Cindy isn't included in these law suits.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Thank you Carolina Moon...it was an exhausting read(again)...

Everything seems so much clearer now. CA smugly admits to prepping in advance to this, showing off by reciting pages numbers and dates, so perhaps she had it in her mind what M & M's end game was, and she just had to show them up. CA's big mouth, like she knows more than seasoned attorneys in this instance - even her own. Mr. Conway's advice to CA was "STOP" over and over, and she still had to run her mouth. If she had just stuck with her instructed yes or no answers...what a fool, she ended up putty in their hands.

From pages 183 & 184.

Q You went on television -- instead of clearing this person's name when you had the opportunity on television to clear this person's name, even though that the police had told you, that Casey had told you that, this Zenaida Gonzalez was not the person she picked out, you went on TV and did not clear her name that night, did you?

A No, because I didn't know --
Q Yes or no the way you like it?
A I didn't --
Q Yes or no the way you like it?
A No, because I didn't know her name was C. Zenaida Gonzalez or I would have -- Gonzale or I would have cleared her name.
Q Let's don't play games. You like it --
A I said Zanny.
Q You like it --
A I didn't say C. Zenaida. What's C stand for?
Q You know --
A Zenaida's probably her middle name.
Q You knew when you went on TV that night that this woman was not the Zenaida Gonzalez and you did not clear her name, did you? Yes or no, if you dare?
A No.
Q Thank you.
A No.
Q And then, ma'am, in fact, you published the defamation and you slandered this woman yourself in that publication; isn't that true? Yes or no?
A No.
MR. MORGAN: That's all I have.
THE WITNESS: Nope. You slandered me --
MR. CONWAY: Stop.
THE WITNESS: -- on TV.
MR. CONWAY: Stop.
THE WITNESS: And you've perjured yourself with this --
MR. CONWAY: Stop.
THE WITNESS: -- because she's not Fernandez.
MR. DILL: Let's go off the video record.
THE WITNESS: So there you go. You want to fight it, go for it. Prove to us that she is Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez.
THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 4:17. We'll go off the record.
THE WITNESS: Prove it
MR. MORGAN: I have, Cindy. I have.

The thanks button was way too little to thank you for slogging through that mish-mash. Someday, I may revisit the case in depth, I have two file-boxes full of documents which are stored in the basement!

It will soon be a year since the trial started, and I haven't gotten my life totally back on track yet. I blogged under my pen name for nearly three years and put my life on the back-burner. I'm nowhere near catching up on getting my garden and house back together. It's also been nice to spend time with my friends and family who indulged me in my journey.

 

[logicalgirl]

The thanks button was way too little to thank you for slogging through that mish-mash. Someday, I may revisit the case in depth, I have two file-boxes full of documents which are stored in the basement!

It will soon be a year since the trial started, and I haven't gotten my life totally back on track yet. I blogged under my pen name for nearly three years and put my life on the back-burner. I'm nowhere near catching up on getting my garden and house back together. It's also been nice to spend time with my friends and family who indulged me in my journey.

Me either CarolinaMoon - I was thinking last night about how much time I actually spent online here at WS during the hearings, the doc dumps, the jury selection and the trial and now just shake my head in awe because it totally consumed my life for months and I do mean consumed. I guess that's why I haven't jumped into any other crime searches and trials. It was worth it for Caylee but not sure I could do it again - and it still feels like there is much unfinished business here in these threads.

But back to M&M and CA in particular. Mr. Morgan knew if he could get Cindy angry and keep her angry she wouldn't be able to stop herself from telling a version at least of the truth. And she is far too arrogant to see what he was doing.
They say if you want to win an argument, never never lose your temper! Ha ha on you Cindy!!! Morgan wins.

 

[Gma Kat]

Me either CarolinaMoon - I was thinking last night about how much time I actually spent online here at WS during the hearings, the doc dumps, the jury selection and the trial and now just shake my head in awe because it totally consumed my life for months and I do mean consumed. I guess that's why I haven't jumped into any other crime searches and trials. It was worth it for Caylee but not sure I could do it again - and it still feels like there is much unfinished business here in these threads.

But back to M&M and CA in particular. Mr. Morgan knew if he could get Cindy angry and keep her angry she wouldn't be able to stop herself from telling a version at least of the truth. And she is far too arrogant to see what he was doing.
They say if you want to win an argument, never never lose your temper! Ha ha on you Cindy!!! Morgan wins.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[BigMomma]

When this case gets going, I wonder how far M&M went on a diggin expedition before, during and after the fact and what kinds of information is going to come up maybe per their PI? I just now thought of the many various possibilities that there is going to be much more to this trial than the other only because I have a feeling a lot more stuff has been documented, quietly investigated, right down to the foundation money. Lots of possibilities there to be righty questioned and hopefully, rightfully answered...well, rightfully brought to light.

 

[seagull65]

IMO, all KC's attorneys have to say is that ZFG was made up, game over. MOO. It is a "ruined reputation" lawsuit for 15,000. I am sure there are many people with that name and they are not filing lawsuits. If someone said I left my child with Mark Jones, or Mary Jones, Hypothetically,what evidence is there that one didleave a child a with Mark Jones or Mary Jones? The case has no merit, there is no evidence linking KC to a ZFG, only KC's statement which KC admitted was a lie. ZFG never lived at Sawgrass apartments.

Let me put this another way as so many seem to think this lawsuit will go somewhere:

My name is Mary Jones, some nutcase says that I was a caretaker for a person later found dead. The nutcase has no info on how to contact me, no correspondance whatsoever. No link back to me.

How in the world could/would a court find that the nutcase meant me?

It is all speculation on M&M's view, IMO.

I do believe it will go nowhere. Think about it........if someone threw your name out there, and it is a common name, would you be out there claiming your reputation was ruined?
ZFG (especially in the latin community) is a very common name. How do M&M prove she meant this ZFG? Frivolous. MOO

I agree. Casey A said she left Caylee with a sitter named Zenaida F-G, she was emphatic that it was F-G hyphenated, this woman didn't have that name, her name is Z.C.G. Casey's physical description of ZFG, the age and other details that she gave, were different from this woman. But the police found that this woman with a very similar name had visited those apartments on the date, which was quite a coincidence, so of course they took an interest.

I don't think Casey A ever said this was the woman or identified this woman in any way. I know the Anthony family said quite a few times that this was not the ZFG referred to by Casey.

Then ZCG and her lawyer did media appearances and interviews, including national TV, throughout the course of the case. ZCG claimed on national TV that Casey A had given her exact details including the names of her children in her police statements, resulting in herself and her children receiving death threats. Of course Casey A had actually said in her statement that ZFG had no children, and gave completely different info than this woman's details.

I always wondered if ZCG thought that was true and who told her that.

 

[RR0004]

I agree. Casey A said she left Caylee with a sitter named Zenaida F-G, she was emphatic that it was F-G hyphenated, this woman didn't have that name, her name is Z.C.G. Casey's physical description of ZFG, the age and other details that she gave, were different from this woman. But the police found that this woman with a very similar name had visited those apartments on the date, which was quite a coincidence, so of course they took an interest.

I don't think Casey A ever said this was the woman or identified this woman in any way. I know the Anthony family said quite a few times that this was not the ZFG referred to by Casey.

Then ZCG and her lawyer did media appearances and interviews, including national TV, throughout the course of the case. In this interviews ZCG claimed on national TV that Casey A had given her exact details and the names of her children in her police statements, resulting in herself and her children receiving death threats. Which is false, because Casey A had said in her statement that ZFG had no children, and gave completely different info than this woman's details.

I always wondered if ZCG thought that was true and who told her that.

Do you have a link to that interview? I'd like to go back and watch it. TIA

 

[seagull65]

I'm sorry I don't have a link to it. I remember hearing her say that in a couple of interviews with national media. One might have been with JVM and one might have been some morning news program.....I'm sorry I'm not more help.

 

[seagull65]

That's true about there being other ZG's ("Zanny" G's and Zenaida G's) in the area...there were others.... (according to property records, phone records, various public records online, etc)...I remember one of them was much more in line with Casey's description, a former event planner, grad of the hospitality school at the university (event planning, same school mentioned by JG remember? Rosen school of hospitality or whatever it was) much more the right age, look, and better match to other details (Search under Zan G. ). I think Ricardo had a Zan in his phone too if I remember correctly, or maybe a Xan... I guess they must have checked those out to make sure they weren't "Zanny". Or maybe not lol.

What is the latest in the civil suit? Good to see you RR0004