ZG Hires Attorney - Lawsuit Against Casey Anthony Part 2

[Noway]

Brini said: Many Hispanics use two last names-- one from each parent.

And this could be why when asked, she said she did not have a middle name ... because the F isn't her middle name, it's part of her last.

 

[princess]

Many Hispanics use two last names-- one from each parent.

And to make it more confusing they put their moms maiden name after there last name..sometimes just the first letter...I almost Became Mrs. O. but clerk at the courthouse where I got married knew enough to tell my husband not to put his moms last name or the initial or I would just be Mrs. O. LOL:crazy:

 

[princess]

But on Nancy Grace tonight, NG asked an attorney about the previous googles on ZFG and the attorney said that google search wasn't until July 16 and it may have been Cindy or George googling her based on Casey allegation.

Yeah..but it is still debated that only the police really know exactly when ZFG was searched..and we do not know the results of any other computers she had access to like her BF Anthony L or her friend Amy H. her police friends etc., etc., ...

 

[Noway]

Forgive me if this has been asked and answered, but did ZG give Sawgrass her hypenated last name? If not, how did Casey know her full name, emphasizing the hyphen, if she got her name from the visitor log at Sawgrass, or another apartment complex?

ZG did not provide the F on the Sawgrass form or at least Harry G. did not write it down (he completed the form). Nor was the F on any of the OCSO documents completed or signed by ZG. At least not that I've seen so far (the two sets of discovery pages released).

Princess provided this information: Official Lawsuit Document
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/ima...4132819671.pdf

I think the only person who can answer where Casey got the F-G is Casey. And even if she told, and told the truth, I doubt she would be believed.

 

[JBean]

But on Nancy Grace tonight, NG asked an attorney about the previous googles on ZFG and the attorney said that google search wasn't until July 16 and it may have been Cindy or George googling her based on Casey allegation.

Well we know that KC mentioned Zani on May 6 in one of her text messages, so ZFG was clearly on her radar. Perhaps she was stalking her. This will be interesting information to find out about during the case if it goes to trial.

 

[IrishSweetOne]

Has anyone been able to verify whether ZG actually has the middle initial of C rather than F?

I don't understand why this issue keeps coming up , it's irrelevant . She is THE ONLY ZG ASSOCIATED WITH SAWGRASS APTS PERIOD !!!!!!!! It doesn't matter if it's X Y Q or J she's still the ONLY ZG at Sawgrass where KC claims she let Caylee .

 

[Noway]

I don't understand why this issue keeps coming up , it's irrelevant . She is THE ONLY ZG ASSOCIATED WITH SAWGRASS APTS PERIOD !!!!!!!! It doesn't matter if it's X Y Q or J she's still the ONLY ZG at Sawgrass where KC claims she let Caylee .

I think it does matter in regard to the lawsuit only because she said Casey gave her name. I don't think her lawsuit would have the same amount of oomph if her name were Z anything else G.

We've since been provided a link to the court document ZG filed, which clearly shows her name. But Princess posting it was the first time I had seen it when the issue came up.

Edited: If Casey were to say that she randomly picked Sawgrass because of her connection (friends) would this affect the lawsuit?

 

[Noway]

And to make it more confusing they put their moms maiden name after there last name..sometimes just the first letter...I almost Became Mrs. O. but clerk at the courthouse where I got married knew enough to tell my husband not to put his moms last name or the initial or I would just be Mrs. O. LOL:crazy:

So in theory the F is her married name and the G is her maiden name? Which would be the opposite of my sister who hyphenates R S-R. The S is her maiden name; the second R is her married name.

Do we know which is true? I'm asking because if divorced, she probably kept her name as it was?

 

[IrishSweetOne]

But on Nancy Grace tonight, NG asked an attorney about the previous googles on ZFG and the attorney said that google search wasn't until July 16 and it may have been Cindy or George googling her based on Casey allegation.

Well I must have missed that . But I have done some computer forensics of my own a few years back . Long story I really don't care to relive , I was able to pull out deleted chats and then some .

Searches were done for ZG various spellings Zani , Zanny , Zannie and Zenadia back as far as October of 2007 . Different ages , locations ( Jacksonville & Orlando ) searches on myspace , reunion.com and people searches . Another search was done June 12 then again on July 16 . The July 16 could have been LE . When a search or web page is first visited it creates a cookie this would be the date created that reads on the first line. The next line reads date written which is the same date the cookie is created . The last line is the last time that file or page was last accessed .

MOO is that first if this really was Caylee's nanny for a 1 1/2 years why didn't she know how to spell her name ? Where she lived or how old she was ? If she really did know a ZG why would she need to search her out on Myspace ? Wouldn't ZG have just given KC that info or sent a friend request ??

 

[Ezryder9]

Yes. ZG getting her name cleared and even getting a monetary award would also teach KC that maligning an innocent can represent a personal cost. This would be a good lesson for KC and the As.

Oh, Brini, I love your posts, too! Gee, I hope ZG is able to teach her a lesson. It'll be one of the first instances where KC's been held accountable for any of her actions. A shame this couldn't have happened earlier, the accountability thing? Then, maybe KC would know where her precious little child is.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Yeah..but it is still debated that only the police really know exactly when ZFG was searched..and we do not know the results of any other computers she had access to like her BF Anthony L or her friend Amy H. her police friends etc., etc., ...

Yes, only the police know....and they say that it was on 7/16. Could she have researched ZFG on a friend's computer? Sure, she could have, but what would the chances be considering that she had her own computer?

 

[Chilly Willy]

Well I must have missed that . But I have done some computer forensics of my own a few years back . Long story I really don't care to relive , I was able to pull out deleted chats and then some .

Searches were done for ZG various spellings Zani , Zanny , Zannie and Zenadia back as far as October of 2007 . Different ages , locations ( Jacksonville & Orlando ) searches on myspace , reunion.com and people searches . Another search was done June 12 then again on July 16 . The July 16 could have been LE . When a search or web page is first visited it creates a cookie this would be the date created that reads on the first line. The next line reads date written which is the same date the cookie is created . The last line is the last time that file or page was last accessed .

MOO is that first if this really was Caylee's nanny for a 1 1/2 years why didn't she know how to spell her name ? Where she lived or how old she was ? If she really did know a ZG why would she need to search her out on Myspace ? Wouldn't ZG have just given KC that info or sent a friend request ??

What??? The computer forensics show that the only searching done for Zanny on any of the Anthony computers took place on 7/16. It is spelled out very clearly in the report. You are confusing the date of the cookie with the date of the file that the cookie is stored in. None the less, you have details here that are not in the forensic report. Where did you get this information? BTW, the times of the searches on 7/16 were BEFORE LE took the computers.

 

[Chilly Willy]

I don't understand why this issue keeps coming up , it's irrelevant . She is THE ONLY ZG ASSOCIATED WITH SAWGRASS APTS PERIOD !!!!!!!! It doesn't matter if it's X Y Q or J she's still the ONLY ZG at Sawgrass where KC claims she let Caylee .

It is relevant to me if she filed a suit claiming that her name is ZFG when, in fact, it is not.

 

[amethyst221]

Another random thought about the merits of this. Ever getting any $$, doubtful. But I can see having this case based on out of court statements pending during the criminal trial. If Ca sticks with her current story to LE, even though we now know it's a lie and that it will be offered at trial anyway, it will be privileged, in terms of defamation law. So the name may get battered again and again as blame is shifted to the "nanny."

 

[Friptzap]

And, when I forced a retraction of a PRIVATE article, I was able to do based on the advice that BOTH side's counsel gave that I had a valid libel claim.

Slander or libel do not have to go to the media in order to be legally considered same. Nor, does one have to have stolen information, or have one's identity stolen or used.

The media did not originate the claim that ZFG stole the child. KCF continued to create stories re: ZFG, until, recently.

You are overlooking (persistently) two things: 1) the definition of "make public" is NOT limited to the media. It means to speak or write it, where another can hear or read it, and it results in damages. 2) the reasonable man test.

You can be sued for slander if you tell your boss a co-worker is a drunk and shouldn't be promoted, in the privacy of your office. If it is untrue, and caused damage to said co-worker's career, you can be successfully sued. You can be sued for libel, if you write it down.

Authors have been successfully sued when they have created fictional characters who are deemed close enough to real people to be thought to represent them in a denigrating way.

One more time-- the media and the bloggers did NOT create Zanny the Nanny, and use ZFGs three names, presence at the Sawgrass, and racial background to the point where ZFG was persecuted. KC did.

ZFG does not have to have been described by KC down to the same blood type, to get KC out of a slander claim or judgement.

The ABC defense (anybody but KC) does hot apply, here.

Ok, the point again is she did not "make public" any information, other people made her statements public. She did not ask for them to be made public, and again this is why I feel there is a problem charging her.

 

[Brini]

Ok, the point again is she did not "make public" any information, other people made her statements public. She did not ask for them to be made public, and again this is why I feel there is a problem charging her.

So... she thought that of ALLLL the kidnappers of children, HER accusation and description would be kept utterly confidential, and away from the public? She did NOT know that the public would be put on alert for said ZFG?

Meanwhile a full description of the woman who kidnapped her four chiidren was broadcast?

That dog don't hunt. She KNEW her description would send LE in after ZFG with KCs full details and maybe a BOLO. As is procedure with kidnappers.

KC is still, I'm afraid, responsible for the consequences of her actions.

Comes under the heading, "reckless disregard for consequences." Which is also a condition of the laws.

 

[amethyst221]

I think Ca fully intended and foresaw that her accusation would be made public through her various surrogates and her own statement. She had been arrested and wanted the story out there about the "real" wrongdoer. Maybe a problem with the suit is that it needs more defendants in addition to Ca.

 

[Friptzap]

So... she thought that of ALLLL the kidnappers of children, HER accusation and description would be kept utterly confidential, and away from the public? She did NOT know that the public would be put on alert for said ZFG?

Meanwhile a full description of the woman who kidnapped her four chiidren was broadcast?

That dog don't hunt. She KNEW her description would send LE in after ZFG with KCs full details and maybe a BOLO. As is procedure with kidnappers.

KC is still, I'm afraid, responsible for the consequences of her actions.

Comes under the heading, "reckless disregard for consequences." Which is also a condition of the laws.

In her description her nanny is 25 years old, this certainly does not match the ZFG in this suit at all. Of course she has disregard for the law of course she is responsible for her actions, but this case is based on laws, legal statutes that in my opinion will not hold up in court. Again there is not one thing you can say, no matter how many uphamisms you decide to use, that will change my mind, find a law that fits the crime and I will buy of on it, this one does not.

Keep debating me if you wish the outcome will not change, the court will decide and in my opinion the case will fail. I hope I am wrong but even JM in my honest opinion knows this, he mentioned it is not about money, because for one he knows if he does win he will get zero and for two he probably has no doubt the case is a looser because as he also mentioned this case is about pushing back, To me those are defeatist words. Had he said knocking Casey on her patootie I would see those words as winner words. Nobody wins a pushing match.

He also mentioned it’s about clearing ZFG's name, hmmm how many people have heard now it is not her it never was her the law cleared her name, now this suit is in the public eye. I think her name is clear now, but that aside as well, what if he fails? Does that mean her name is not cleared? Not in my opinion because the point is bringing this case in the public eye once that is done then they see it in the media (that filed her to start with) then she should have some alleviation from the mess started. And JM knows this too IMHO, but say it does fail? Some of the "dumb" people that have not listened to the words of the LE that cleared this woman from the get go may say, she lost in court it must be her! This could do as much damage as it could do good.

Again, I truly wish she wins on one hand. But on the other hand if she does I fear we will ALL have lost some personal rights and maybe we should never speak again to anyone for fear of a suit ourselves. I personally am not that willing to give my freedom of speech so easily.

I have defended this person since day one of my ever posting about this case. I will continue to do so because I believe she is innocent and I do feel Casey stole some information from her somehow that she used in her make believe story about her make believe nanny. (Again this is my opinion because I also hope that is false and that there is a real Nanny somewhere out there with this same name I just doubt it.) I just do not feel the law they are using to sue Casey is the appropriate one.

Again keep debating me if you wish, but nothing you have said so far has changed my mind so far, not even come close either, and I suspect that unless you can find a different law to base this on that nothing ever will.

And IMHO the media should not be requesting information on a case such as this because they want to provide the public with every words said in private and release all of that information to the public in complete disregard to any potential lies about individuals contains within those very documents. There is a legal right to freedom of information but they also have an obligation to NOT print/broadcast Libel, Slander and words that would be considered Defamation of Character. This is in fact in these statutes that JM is using in his case against Casey. If he was going after them for their negligence I would be praising this suit in a heart beat. I will just leave it at that because that bothers me the most of all in this case, why is he not pressing this case against that front.... Maybe figures they have smarter attorney's.....

 

[Ezryder9]

BTW, when a child is reported missing, and a parent identifies a person with whom the child was left, pointing LE in that direction, isn't it routine or normal for LE to make that information public, so the public can be on the look out for the child and the person identified by the public? That's what LE did. Alerted the public to be on the lookout for Caylee and ZFG. Of course people are going to talk among themselves and the name is going to spread. Kinda like wildfire. JB, if you're into making offers right now, maybe a settlement offer to ZG would be in order.

 

[cuppy199]

At this point I dont think it matters if it fails or not as far as ZG is concerned. I think its a matter of saying a enough is enough and Im not gonna take it sitting down anymore. Good for ZG and I wish her luck.