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    MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #7

    The mother has been involved with drugs and with several guys that are not a good influence on her. This includes AB's father who is currently in jail on assault charges.
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    MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #7

    If I remember correctly, none of the paternal family was mentioned. The dad and the son was mentioned, but I think the only extended family was the mom's side. What I am getting at here, is that not only was the aunt left out, grandparents and any of the other relatives on the dad's side...
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    MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #7

    I have not heard this rumor. Could it be possible that the animal graves were pets that died from other causes? When one of our pets die we bury it in a grave.
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    MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #7

    Timeline I have posted this before, and I think I read somewhere that it is not considered a rumor because first or seconhand information is not rumor. This is information coming secondhand from the mouth of the grandma. Now, the grandma could have been lieing, but this information has made...
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    MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #7

    I am not sure that the parents knew EO was at AB's. The 6 year old was in the woods when she wasn't supposed to be. Therefore, I don't know that the grandparents knew EO was there, and I don't know that EO's mom knew she was at AB's. The three girls may have met up in the woods themselves...
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    MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #7

    Prof- I wholeheartedly agree. There just seems to be some odd stuff going on. The family knew that both of their girls had been in the woods. They knew that AB brought the 6 yr. old up most of the way and then went back. I don't know if they knew that EO was in the woods or not. Given...
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    MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #7

    I understand, and it seems very reasonable. The part I just don't get is why AB isn't questioned earlier. There is no way, with the rain we have had, that you could kill a girl, bury her body (I understand the grave was probably dug beforehand) and make it back in 45 minutes without...
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    MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #7

    He also responded to my post saying that LE came over to AB's before the family went to EO's. According to those accounts AB now has to be back at her house by 6:40 to 6:50 (not enough time to bury a body by herself in my opinion). Then she wouldn't have gotten in the shower yet because...
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    MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #7

    I am also confused by this. We know from LE and media quotes that the police were called around 7. It would then take them 5 minutes to arrive at EO's house. They would talk to her for a short time before going to AB's house. ILC, Did the family go to vist EO's family before or after the...
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    MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #7

    I am not trying to poke holes in your story, but I feel the timeline of events really helps one understand the crime. The aunt was not home when the family went over to the Olten's, but she was home when you arrived. How much later were you there.
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    MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #7

    To follow up on this. If the entire family is going over the Olten's to help out. Wouldn't they wonder where AB was? I understand the aunt was at work and couldn't go. However, this should bring up red flags when AB was not available to go help. It is likely that she wasn't available...
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    MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #7

    This is supposedly a well concealed area. I take that to mean an area that a tractor could not get to. We are talking about deep in the woods here.
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    MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #7

    I assume the 2 boys and the little sister were the kids.
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    MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #7

    I thought you said that all 4 adults went to the Olten's house to see if they could help and they were meeted rudely (a comment from yesterday). The above quote says that the aunt was not around at the time. Am I reading one of the quotes wrong.
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    MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #7

    I would probably agree that if there were two graves, it was not because she didn't like the first one. However, I am not sure that she had picked anyone out. If this was a thrill kill thing like it has been said, then it was probably just that EO was in the wrong place at the wrong time. AB...

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