‘Mother hen’ to media villain: The life of Debbie Bradley - Kansas City Star 11/5/11

[Mountain_Kat]

In the article... DB's dad referred to her as a "mother hen" to her brothers after her mom died. I'm not sure about other parts of the country, but in the south that term is used alot. My mom used to say I was a mother hen to my sister. I guess I was a little bossy. lol:seeya:

Mother hen usually refers to someone who is over-protective. I have no earthly idea how DB was on every other day as a parent, but on this particular night, the word "over-protective mother" or "mother hen" just seems to be about as far removed from the reality as one can possibly get.

So if DN is telling us that DB is a mother hen by nature, then what the heck happened on THIS night to send her headlong in the opposite direction? :waitasec:

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Can someone please confirm the Xanax and Effexor to me please? I know I've read about the Effexor before but I've missed a few days due to being sick and I have not seen anything except in posts here about the Xanax?!

:blowkiss:

The MK interview came out in bits and pieces. The first bit we heard was DB saying she took anti-anxiety meds. So some of us speculated that it was perhaps xanax or valium. We later learned that what DB took was effexor. To the best of my knowledge, there's never been any msm mention of DB taking anything but effexor.

 

[mamamia54]

According to Ann Blake Tracy, Director, ICFDA, there is a connecton between alcoholism and the drugs that increase serotonin in the patients who choose to use them One of those drugs is EFFEXOR. This may have played a part in what happened to Debbie on the evening that Lisa was possibly abducted.

 

[Just K]

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Here is a link to the Question: Did LE search the area of yesterday's search before? Answer: Yes, two times.

 

[Tuffy]

MM hm, I agree. Good to hear that the family is still completely united, and are working together to try to bring this baby home. I don't sense any conflict in the family whatsoever since Lisa went missing, thankfully they're all supporting each other through this horror.

You got that "the family is still completely united" from the article? All it said is the grandparents participated in the search.

 

[Tuffy]

"She was always a “mother hen” to her brothers, he says. After her mother’s death, “she did it even more.”

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/0...lain.html#.TrYDcX3KlkE.facebook#ixzz1cyyZXbVU

The "interfering" part, I've never heard it referred to that way.

Perhaps the meaning of the term has changed, but most of what I found, mother hen was not used in a nice way. It seemed to lean more toward an interfering person.

Many of the links used it to refer to an unattractive woman.

It didn't seem like something I would call someone "in a nice way."

 

[Tuffy]

Do we know or have a link stating that they are not talking to the FBI or sheriffs department? They haven't said yes or no. To my knowledge only KCPD is stating that they aren't talking to them.

I would like to know for sure, if they are indeed cooperating with both the FBI and sheriff's department. I would be really surprised to learn that the parents would be uncooperative with the KCPD, but cooperate with all the other agencies.

In fact, I doubt very much that that is the case.

 

[Karmaa]

Perhaps the meaning of the term has changed, but most of what I found, mother hen was not used in a nice way. It seemed to lean more toward an interfering person.

Many of the links used it to refer to an unattractive woman.

It didn't seem like something I would call someone "in a nice way."

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mother+hen
mother hen
n.
A person who fusses over others in an overprotective manner

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mother hen
a person who assumes an overly protective maternal attitude

That is the way that I have always understood it, and I have never heard it said in any kind of derogatory manner.

 

[AngelWings444]

What's up with the cops telling JI that Lisa was not his child? They told him DB confessed to this. LOl What a tactic..No wonder they quit talking to them. maybe they should re-think their techniques for interrogations. I understand they were trying to get him to roll over on her I guess but in this case it must have backfired. I would be mad as a wet hen and never trust them again.

IF, LE did say that. We have no idea what LE said because they aren't releasing any information in this case.

At the end of the day, we all need to remember all this information is coming from Lisa's parents, their friends, family and their attorney's.

Why is it SO easy for some of you to doubt LE when they haven't said a word? Yet, you believe DB, her version, statements and family?

I'm hoping LE/FBI are doing a very through job, keeping things close, in order to find Lisa and bring justice to this little baby. No matter what happened!

Now, back to reading...

 

[Just K]

Now that I am finally caught up here, I do want to point out that some of the background info that came out in this article, possibly meant to humanize DB, can also be viewed negatively.

One thing that was very apparent, IMO, was the fact that DB has a tendency to avoid difficult situations or to run from one situation to another. She dropped out of HS in the 10th grade. The articles states that she left her father's house more than once. She then moved in with SB, his stepmother and her children. There were rules set down and DB ignored them. She and SB moved out and he joined the military. Instead of dating they chose to get married when she was just 17. When SB came back things were difficult and DB moved with him into her father's home. Then SB left and DB did another stint with Hazel and that is when she started sneaking out at night and taking someone's truck/car/vehicle. I think it also said she tried doing the DE thing again. (Have to check this) Soon thereafter she left again and moved in with JI.

There is a solid history here of avoidance on the part of DB and enabling on the part of her family, extended family and BF/husbands. There may also be a history of defiance or thumbing her nose at authority, discipline and rules.

I will not say that she is directly responsible for the disappearance of Lisa but she does have a history of running from her problems. It would not come as a surprise if she is simply covering for herself, for JI, or for one or both of the boys.

(Note: I may have to edit the timeline of when and where she went back and forth between, the DE side of the family, her father's, Hazel's, DE, her father, JI....it is a lot to remember...)

One thing that is certain is that her 5 year old son has lived with her, with her and SB, with SB, her father and brothers, with her and Hazel et. al., with her in DE, with her and JI and his son and then with Lisa, too. That kid has seen an ever changing parade of living conditions and housemates. Now we can add uncle PN's home to that list. Just sad, really...the home with JI was probably the longest residence he had ever known.

 

[Jaxson]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mother+hen
mother hen
n.
A person who fusses over others in an overprotective manner

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mother hen
a person who assumes an overly protective maternal attitude

That is the way that I have always understood it, and I have never heard it said in any kind of derogatory manner.

Those are the definitions I associate it with. I have a friend since Jr. High who kept me from getting into to much trouble as a teen. She was and still is my 'mother hen'. She takes real good care of me even when I don't need it, lol. She is like a sister to me the rest of the time and if I could have chosen my relatives...well, she would be one.

 

[zippitydoda]

But what good would it do to have the same conversation with LE over and over and over? Nothing new is asked and they are instead lobbing the same claims of guilt at you (not you but the person they are interviewing). How is it helpful to sit there hour after hour after hour with LE refusing to listen to anything you have to say unless of course you confess to the murder of your child, even if you had nothing to do with it? At some point LE needs to realize that the way they are handling the case is not working and that perhaps they should change strategies.

MOO

To get to the truth of the matter, which is where is baby Lisa? because clearly the whole truth has not been told to LE. Its real simple, tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Perhaps its not LE that needs to change their strategies...

Here are two great summaries from Valhall on the various versions of what the family has said happened that night.

V4.01
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/10/18/lisa-irwin-case-version-4-0-1-a-lawyer-still-no-baby/

B6.0
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/1...ersion-6-0-uncle-in-house-megan-dated-jersey/

 

[3doglady]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mother+hen
mother hen
n.
A person who fusses over others in an overprotective manner

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mother hen
a person who assumes an overly protective maternal attitude

That is the way that I have always understood it, and I have never heard it said in any kind of derogatory manner.

Thanks that's the way I've always heard the term used. Nothing derogatory about it that I know of.

 

[Karmaa]

IF, LE did say that. We have no idea what LE said because they aren't releasing any information in this case.

At the end of the day, we all need to remember all this information is coming from Lisa's parents, their friends, family and their attorney's.

Why is it SO easy for some of you to doubt LE when they haven't said a word? Yet, you believe DB, her version, statements and family?

I'm hoping LE/FBI are doing a very through job, keeping things close, in order to find Lisa and bring justice to this little baby. No matter what happened!

Now, back to reading...

bbm

Why would we automatically assume someone is lying when LE has not indicated that they are? LE has said nothing. Until and unless they do, there is no reason to discount every single word that comes out of everyone's mouth, just because their story doesn't meet your personal gut feeling of what happened.

Even if someone is a proven liar, it does not mean that everything they say is a lie, and there is no indication that the people in the article are liars anyway.

 

[flipflop]

WOW and the little guy is only 5 years old, and now to be living through this case...pretty sad.

 

[SmoothOperator]

A crowd of volunteers, which included Lisa’s grandparents, searched the woods near 53rd Street and Randolph Road on Saturday

http://global.christianpost.com/new...lunteers-search-nearby-woods-for-clues-60703/

Good to hear that some family members are working this case.

Flipflop, I am strictly using your post as a jumping off point that is directly related to the subject ^above^.. It is NOT IN ANYWAY DIRECTED AT YOU PERSONALLY as I do not know your opinions/thoughts about anything other than that you are pleased to see the family out helping with a search..

With all that said and in jumping off from the opinion of being pleased to see the family out and involved in searching.. What I'd like to point out is that there may be and actually are many that are feeling this same sentiment in their being pleased to see this family out doing something proactive in bringing baby Lisa home with their being involved in searches taking place in the area.. But I am baffled and blown away that when "something" is actually found On one of these area "searches" people IMMEDIATELY have their fingers pointed at these same exact family members they were originally so pleased to see out actively "searching" and then the minute the search yields a positive result of having "found/located" possible evidence these family members are
IMMEDIATEDLY BASHED AND ACCUSED(and that's across the board everywhere) of numerous illegal activities from tampering with evidence to even actually planting the evidence themselves..

These family members in this case(and that's all of them.. Parents, extended family, as well as those supportive friends and neighbors..) ALL OF THESE PEOPLE CAN DO NOTHING RIGHT, AND I MEAN NOTHING!! evil intent is speculated at every single move they make or word they utter!!

I've followed so many cases and this truly sets the all time bar for assumed guilt of the family and truly anyone who is seen to be supportive of the family.. I've never seen anything like it.. And what's even stranger IMO is that it's not a slam dunk case of "knowing" they're guilty.. That's just not the case here by any stretch of the imagination.. I'm not one who automatically assumes it's the POST-ANTHONY CASE that's to blame here.. IMO this case isn't even remotely similar to the Anthony case so I truly don't see how that could be the cause..idk?.. But I do know that this family, nor anyone who dares to be seen as supportive towards this family.. NONE OF THEM CAN DO ANYTHING.. They truly are damned if they DO and just as damned if they DON'T!! *shrug*

 

[Insomnia Momma]

The MK interview came out in bits and pieces. The first bit we heard was DB saying she took anti-anxiety meds. So some of us speculated that it was perhaps xanax or valium. We later learned that what DB took was effexor. To the best of my knowledge, there's never been any msm mention of DB taking anything but effexor.

There were a few posts earlier in this thread that indicated that she was on both and drinking that's why I was wondering.

I've been on both, at the same time. We went to a wedding once while I was on it and I had one glass of Champagne for the toast. Not a good combo! I'm not a lightweight either but that really messed me up. Never did THAT again!

To tell the truth though I haven't really drank in years now (and have been off the meds for quite a while too) so 2 glasses of wine would make me all slap happy :blushing:


I forgot to say thank you for the info! :blowkiss:

 

[Wendy101]

To be quite honest - I think I would search against LE wishes...I think my immediate family would also. I would just want my baby back -!! I really don't think the possibility of destroying evidence would bother me... my child body would be more important to me at the time - than to think if destroying evidence...

 

[SmoothOperator]

I agree with you, Wendy in putting myself in the shoes of a parent of a missing child that I feel as tho my husband and I, along with both sides of our immediate families would be obsessively searching every teeny square inch.. With OCD hubby mapping out the grids to ensure that we have thoroughly and exhaustively searched every blade of grass and grain of dirt.. I don't know how exactly that would play out with LE, investigators, etc.. But I can tell you that my instinct as well as the instinct of our large supportive family would to be out searching exhaustively!!!

 

[AngelWings444]

bbm

Why would we automatically assume someone is lying when LE has not indicated that they are? LE has said nothing. Until and unless they do, there is no reason to discount every single word that comes out of everyone's mouth, just because their story doesn't meet your personal gut feeling of what happened.

Even if someone is a proven liar, it does not mean that everything they say is a lie, and there is no indication that the people in the article are liars anyway.

"My personal gut feeling of what happened"? Please don't assume you know what I think, and I don't "feel" a thing about what happened in this case, as I do not know these people. What I do know is, LE has been trashed by some here, it's been assumed they aren't actively searching, they were horrible to the mother etc. We do NOT know this is true! I'm only sticking up for LE and have since day ONE. LE/FBI do not have a hidden agenda here. They are here to do their job! They might not do it perfectly (LE/FBI) each and every time, but they haven't been drinking, lying, changing their timelines, and so on, and so on. Lisa didn't disappear on their watch. LE isn't the bad guy here. Whoever did something to Lisa is, not LE. Whether or not it's DB or someone close to the family who did this, or a random person, bottom line, DB is not aiding LE in finding HER daughter. I can't imagine that, under any circumstances.

I'm sure DB thought the interview of FCA was SO horrible too. :floorlaugh: