‘Mother hen’ to media villain: The life of Debbie Bradley - Kansas City Star 11/5/11

[BetteDavisEyes]

So, Deborah comes from a dysfunctional family. Haven't we heard this before? Good article and worth reading, but I don't think it tells us anything that we didn't already know. jmo

 

[joyless]

We will never really know how each one of us would react in this situation. We also know that LE works from inside the family first. If I was in DB's shoes and I was innocent, I feel I would work with LE every step of the way to clear my name so that they can move on to FIND MY BABY. It would be the most difficult thing to do, being accused of doing things to my own child, but getting through that and having LE clear my name would speed up the investigation. Having LE interview and DNA test others in the house, would speed up the investigation. LE is trying to find your baby, nothing would stop me from slowing LE down from doing so. JMO

I totally agree. Nicely said. The stalling by those who were with baby Lisa when WHATEVER HAPPENED HAPPENED...is not helping baby Lisa. If she is dead (sorry I hate even writing it) the more time passes the less evidence...and slap my hand for saying so, but I think the "players" know it. Kidnapped? Really? I say very doubtful based on the busy going on around that house...at the supposed time Lisa was swept up and spirited away. JMO :twocents:

 

[justamommy]

This is just MOO-DB was not mother hen the night she was drinking,blacking out from a box of wine,and I don't mean
that in a snarky way.It was wrong for her do this when she had a sick child and 2 others in her care!!

Agreed!!:twocents:

 

[GoodGurl]

I have just always wondered IF DB and JI believe Lisa is alive and in the hands of a kidnapper, why is their "personal investigator" doing so little to find her ? Maybe he is working $&()elbows behind the scenes. Id really like that if it were true.

 

[dizzychick]

What's up with the cops telling JI that Lisa was not his child? They told him DB confessed to this. LOl What a tactic..No wonder they quit talking to them. maybe they should re-think their techniques for interrogations. I understand they were trying to get him to roll over on her I guess but in this case it must have backfired. I would be mad as a wet hen and never trust them again.

 

[melissasmom]

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That might be an initial reaction to being accused by LE...but clinging to it a month later, and acting only through teams of attorneys, when no progress has been made, really? A parent's hurt feelings really supercede the fact that a little baby is missing? A so-called fear of a false arrest? When was the last time a person confessed falsely to a missing persons case? Wouldn't they have to know where the person was, for it to be a confession? What fear could be greater than the fear of not knowing where your baby is? It seems very selfish to me for the parents to worry more about themselves at a time like this. JMOJMOJMOJMOJMOJMO

I think it's all due to the lawyers, at least that's what I feel. I think the parents advisors are telling them "All the police care about is convicting you of this crime. DO NOT talk to anyone." For all we know Deb and Jeremy may not have a problem talking to LE again, or letting the boys be interviewed. But if the "legal experts" who have handled things like this before are telling them not to, that it won't help Lisa, then maybe that's the reason for their silence. People who are in shock, in a traumatic situation, may just be taking the only guidance they have right now. I think Joe Tacopina et al. have a lot of influence with those parents right now. JMO

 

[flipflop]

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, Mountian Kat, a link. OMG, I really need to see this!!!!! THANKS!!!

I believe Moutain Kat is repeating what we all read in the article that this thread is about. The link is at the start of this thread.

 

[NancyA]

This is NOT evidence pointing to Lisa being dead. There was one hit by a cadaver dog . . . respectfully, maybe you should read the Cadaver Dog thread.

Cadaver dog hit on scent in DBs bedroom - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Point made, thanks (back to lurking)

Thank you for being a better person than me - I was just going to post ----> :banghead:

 

[cluciano63]

Is anyone related to Lisa more concerned about her than about bad things being said about Mom?

 

[melissasmom]

What's up with the cops telling JI that Lisa was not his child? They told him DB confessed to this. LOl What a tactic..No wonder they quit talking to them. maybe they should re-think their techniques for interrogations. I understand they were trying to get him to roll over on her I guess but in this case it must have backfired. I would be mad as a wet hen and never trust them again.

I agree. Where did that even come from? I think LE were just throwing out whatever they could think of, because unfortunately they really had not much to go on. *sigh*

 

[askfornina]

Is anyone related to Lisa more concerned about her than about bad things being said about Mom?

Baby Lisa is out there, somewhere, Netz says.

“She was absolutely beautiful, and she was always cooing and laughing and chewing on her hand. I used to tease Debbie and say, ‘That kid is just hungry. Give her a pork chop, will ya?’ ”

“They can take her away, but they can’t take away her memory. … She is so special to us.”

Again, he stops talking. He wipes his eyes.

“Yeah, I think she’s still alive…

“Tell people to keep looking.”

quoted from the article. just saying.

 

[madge]

The family mostly speaks of Baby Lisa in past tense which bothers me a lot. IMHO his last sentence, tell people to keep looking -- has he looked any at all? This is a prop up interview to "humanize" DB and her host of insecurities and problems. We all have problems KWIM. DB's baby is missing and they are ALL AWOL.

 

[melissasmom]

You know what? There is a standard for when your child is missing - it's called telling the truth and helping in any way you can, regardless of what may be brought to light. I can tell you that with every fiber of my being that if my child went missing, my life would be an open book, skeletons and all. I would not stop cooperating with them or refuse to allow them to question my minor children.

Besides, what exactly are DB and JI doing to help find their missing daughter? Nothing. MOO.

How do you know they are not doing anything? Everything that is being done in this investigation is not out in the public eye. And I'm glad it's not.

 

[Emeralgem]

So, Deborah comes from a dysfunctional family. Haven't we heard this before? Good article and worth reading, but I don't think it tells us anything that we didn't already know. jmo

In all reality, I suspect there isn't a family on the face of this earth that isn't dysfunctional to some degree or another...Reason being... No one is perfect...JMHO.
I refuse to make excuses for or enable a person just because they hail from a dysfunctional family..JMHO

 

[joyless]

We will never really know how each one of us would react in this situation. We also know that LE works from inside the family first. If I was in DB's shoes and I was innocent, I feel I would work with LE every step of the way to clear my name so that they can move on to FIND MY BABY. It would be the most difficult thing to do, being accused of doing things to my own child, but getting through that and having LE clear my name would speed up the investigation. Having LE interview and DNA test others in the house, would speed up the investigation. LE is trying to find your baby, nothing would stop me from slowing LE down from doing so. JMO

All kinds of people say Terri Horman was a great mother to Kyron too...and yet very few have any qualms about insisting on her guilt...I see very little correlation between the "good mother" quotes and the actual truth of what goes on in homes.

That is such a good point. I am a good mother...but I have a "tough" past and if I went and got blackout wasted while in charge of the care of my child...or any other... There would be plenty of stuff pointing to what I was/am capable of. In other words, I am only a good mother until I am not. I have no idea if DB is responsible for a death here, but she sure is guilty of some serious neglect...fact is she was the care taker of her baby while SOMETHING very bad happened to her baby. MOO

 

[askfornina]

The family mostly speaks of Baby Lisa in past tense which bothers me a lot. IMHO his last sentence, tell people to keep looking -- has he looked any at all? This is a prop up interview to "humanize" DB and her host of insecurities and problems. We all have problems KWIM. DB's baby is missing and they are ALL AWOL.

http://www.kmbc.com/r/29693040/detail.html

in this article from yesterday it says the grandparents of Lisa were participating in the search effort. unclear whether or not it is referring to this man or the Irwin's. (or both) again just saying.

 

[Peazzzer]

Well, we all have our crosses to bear now dont we? Haha how many of us grew up w timmy and lassies mom? Dad? For cryin in the mud! I as a parent have strived to do better for my kids than my parents did, which is what most of us do. White trash? Really? So what? Call me what you want to, lie, beat me, lock me up, I will do what ever it takes to get my baby back. Why doesnt the benefactor buy a P.I. ? Sorry, but I would be embarresed to have that re telling if it was mine, and I am no angel. Maybe if more people in DB life stopped making excuses for her sorry self, she would be doing whatever it took to find Lisa. I took away from that story that lil debby did as she damn well pleased and too bad about the consequences. She obviously knew everything at 17 and still does. I think this whole story tells me she is above reproach. Well poor me poor me pour me another drink. Deb! Get off the cross, we need the wood. Gah!! Pffft.

 

[flipflop]

And baby Lisa Irwin’s first birthday looms five days away.

“That’s gonna be the oh-my-God moment,” said David Netz Jr., weeping. “I can’t even imagine what that day will be like. What will we do? How will we get through that? I don’t even know how to ask Debbie and Jeremy what we should do or how to help them through that

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/0...lain.html#.TrYDcX3KlkE.facebook#ixzz1cwaUmpGd

I personally hope that Lisa is found and home for her birthday, but I hope the family finds something to do....perhaps a search for Lisa, a media plea for her safe return. Perhaps the family could co-operate with LE for Lisa's sake....what a gift that would be!!!!!

 

[melissasmom]

Kind of O/T but kind of related. In Kenia Monge's case, the police had a surveillance video of Kenia at an apt building and/or hotel before she met up with Forbes. This video was only recently made public (after Forbes confessed and her body was recovered). I found that curious only because people around that hotel/apt. building that time of night could have witnessed Kenia and Forbes together and his van. But for whatever reason, LE didn't make it public until way after the fact.

Hmm,that is interesting. Could it be because at that time they already knew that Forbes was guilty and they just needed to gather evidence? Didn't want to tip him off? (though from the way he acted I think he knew that he was a suspect right from the get-go)

 

[neese]

The Kansas City Star article of 11/5/11.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/0...n-to-media-villain.html#.TrYDcX3KlkE.facebook

There is discussion about it on at least 2 threads (MSM Coverage 11/5/11 and 11/6/11), so it probably needs its own thread.

David Netz, Jr., Lisa's maternal grandfather, and Hazel Bradley, Deborah's mother-in-law, are interviewed.

ETA: Deborah's uncle, Johnny Chivalette III, is also interviewed.

ETA2: Article also being discussed on "Mother preparing to be arrested" thread (FYI to the mods)

Thanks for posting that article Cazzie. Wow is all I can say. I haven't read any further in this thread to see what others are saying but I will say this article was gripping, riveting and it definitely enlightened me and maybe even changed my perspective a little. Which means, I'm more baffled than ever.

The article actually breaks my heart. DB does not sound like a diabolical person at all according to her ex-mother-in-law and she would have nothing to gain from saying these nice things about DB either. As far as her past, are there any of us that don't have some type of dysfunction that have touched our lives at some point?

I still understand, drinking etc., things can happen, people panic. If that is the case, I hope DB would just come forward with the truth. I'm beginning to think, if DB had anything to do with Lisa being missing, then she was way too drunk, and either did blackout or her brain is blocking out anything that may have happened. It may be more than her brain can handle. I don't know, I'm no expert, but this whole thing just baffles me more and more. God Bless you Baby Lisa, wherever you are. :dunno: