‘Mother hen’ to media villain: The life of Debbie Bradley - Kansas City Star 11/5/11

[hambirg]

I think the story is that dad was working and brother was sleeping. Brother was sleeping at his home.

Thanks. I think it's clear now. The report was pretty vague, but I think I understand now.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I am one of those that said I was on the fence starting to slip off. I think the article added humanity to DB and JI, which is what I saw from the beginning. Flawed though they may be I just have a difficult time seeing either of them as heartless demons which they would need to be to do something to Lisa and then cover it up. I haven't seen any proof yet and don't think drinking, changing timelines or lawyering up are proof. I am not 100% sure yet on the dog hit in the room yet, but that is one fact that I haven't forgotten.

JMO

BBM

I think that's incredibly interesting. I'm not exactly sure why I find so many varying responses to this article so fascinating. Maybe it's the writer in me. Every writer writes with intent, but very seldom does the reader truly know the intent of the writer. We can guess, and we do, because that is point of reading...but where we end up often has less to do with where the writer tries to lead us, than it does with how we internalize what he has written.

If that makes any sense. :blushing:

But anyway, I'm glad you shared that.

 

[4Jacy]

BBM. This sounded so out there to me I just had to google it and lo and behold it is illegal here in CA too!! Who knew? My husband, a lifelong CA resident, certainly didn’t. Seems front lawns, driveways and front porches are considered ‘public’ places and therefore the open container and public intoxication laws apply. I’m officially so gobsmacked I’m gonna need a stiff cap’n ‘n’ coke after dinner.…um I’ll have it on the back porch of course and make sure my dinner guests stay there with their drinks too. :innocent:

Can't do this in the Quaker inspired town of Ocean City, NJ either, and I hope they never change their rules....!! Not because I am a prude, but the town is so very peaceful this way.

 

[Cazzie]

BBM

I think that's incredibly interesting. I'm not exactly sure why I find so many varying responses to this article so fascinating. Maybe it's the writer in me. Every writer writes with intent, but very seldom does the reader truly know the intent of the writer. We can guess, and we do, because that is point of reading...but where we end up often has less to do with the writer and his intent, than it does with how we internalize what he has written.

If that makes any sense. :blushing:

But anyway, I'm glad you shared that.

O/T, but what you wrote addresses disparigy in music lyrics...and how "fans" think lyrics mean one thing, but the songwriter meant something else...BTDT a few times...it's very interesting to ask a songwriter "what did you mean?" and find it's not what you thought they meant...or you read/hear an interview and find out such...

 

[flipflop]

I think this article was written to sell newspapers, nothing more, nothing less. Afterall, there is nothing new to report in this case, seeing that both sides are not talking, so why not dig into the past of the players involved by interviewing a family member. Throw on an attention grabbing headling : From ‘mother hen’ to media villain: The life of Debbie Bradley, missing baby Lisa Irwin's mom and sales go up.

 

[JeannaT]

This post made me realize something that may explain why perceptions of the case differ. It's the premises we make.
If only heartless demons can hurt their children, any proof that someone is not completely heartless will clear them.
But if we think parents don't have to be heartless demons to do something to their children it's a lot less clear cut.

I don't think parents have to be heartless demons to do something to their children. People are mostly not completely black and white and there are lots of people who made horrible decisions who have not been complete psychopaths through all their life.

I am not sure if these parents did anything, but just because there is a human background doesn't say anything to me one way or another.

Speaking only for myself, I'm signing up for the team that thinks only heartless demons cause their children's deaths and then hide that fact.

Soulless, I would actually call them. I don't think ANY normal parents cause the death of their children, hide the bodies, and pretend they don't know what happened. Only soulless people, with a documented history of being soulless.

Or something in their life where you clearly go UH OH!! UH OH look at that piece of information!! A lover they're crazy about who doesn't want children, a life insurance policy they took out on their kids the week before Halloween and they poisoned their kids with "trick or treat" pixie stix, etc.

I think it's extremely odd for normal appearing parents to accidentally kill - or on purpose kill - their kids and hide it for a month.

Heck, we've all seen parents who beat their children to within an inch of their lives - or even to death - and then call 911 or take the lifeless body to ER for help in a last ditch effort to save their child they just beat to death.

I reject the idea that a normal appearing couple could accidentally cause their baby's death and then run fast as lightening to hide that. You just never see that. Sometimes it appears that way, but when the first layer is peeled off the onion, it's clear they were murderous parents.

IMHO.

 

[Tuffy]

I think this article was written to sell newspapers, nothing more, nothing less. Afterall, there is nothing new to report in this case, seeing that both sides are not talking, so why not dig into the past of the players involved by interviewing a family member. Throw on an attention grabbing headling : From ‘mother hen’ to media villain: The life of Debbie Bradley, missing baby Lisa Irwin's mom and sales go up.

What does the 'mother hen' title mean? Are they describing Debbie as a mother hen? :waitasec:

mother hen - a person who cares for the needs of others (especially in an overprotective or interfering way)

...and that was the nicest definition I could come up with!

 

[Mountain_Kat]

O/T, but what you wrote addresses disparigy in music lyrics...and how "fans" think lyrics mean one thing, but the songwriter meant something else...BTDT a few times...it's very interesting to ask a songwriter "what did you mean?" and find it's not what you thought they meant...or you read/hear an interview and find out such...

Also O/T (sort of, but in my opinion, not)

My husband once said to me that every time he heard a fire engine he thought about that poem I had written about the little girl who got burned up in a fire. I've never written a poem about a little girl who got burned up in a fire, so I asked him to recite some of the poem to me. He did. It was a poem I had written about impermanence from a child's perspective. I used the symbology of flame and wind to represent imagination and transition respectively. To my husband, the poem had become a sad tale about a little girl who was burned up in a fire. And in a profound way, he was right.

 

[JeannaT]

O/T, but what you wrote addresses disparigy in music lyrics...and how "fans" think lyrics mean one thing, but the songwriter meant something else...BTDT a few times...it's very interesting to ask a songwriter "what did you mean?" and find it's not what you thought they meant...or you read/hear an interview and find out such...

Well, right. Like in Neil Diamond's "Cracklin Rosie", cracklin rosie is cheap red wine, but most of the listening audience thinks Rosie is a prostitute.

As clever as that is, I don't really think journalists for a major media outlets intend to fool the readership into believing they're writing one thing but meaning something completely different . ..

 

[justamommy]

Do we know or have a link stating that they are not talking to the FBI or sheriffs department? They haven't said yes or no. To my knowledge only KCPD is stating that they aren't talking to them.

I have been wondering about this for awhile. I hope we can get confirmation one way or another. I will go look again and see what I can find out.

 

[flipflop]

A crowd of volunteers, which included Lisa’s grandparents, searched the woods near 53rd Street and Randolph Road on Saturday

http://global.christianpost.com/new...lunteers-search-nearby-woods-for-clues-60703/

Good to hear that some family members are working this case.

 

[MissJames]

This post made me realize something that may explain why perceptions of the case differ. It's the premises we make.
If only heartless demons can hurt their children, any proof that someone is not completely heartless will clear them.
But if we think parents don't have to be heartless demons to do something to their children it's a lot less clear cut.

I don't think parents have to be heartless demons to do something to their children. People are mostly not completely black and white and there are lots of people who made horrible decisions who have not been complete psychopaths through all their life.

I am not sure if these parents did anything, but just because there is a human background doesn't say anything to me one way or another.

:goodpost:

 

[JeannaT]

A crowd of volunteers, which included Lisa’s grandparents, searched the woods near 53rd Street and Randolph Road on Saturday

http://global.christianpost.com/new...lunteers-search-nearby-woods-for-clues-60703/

Good to hear that some family members are working this case.

MM hm, I agree. Good to hear that the family is still completely united, and are working together to try to bring this baby home. I don't sense any conflict in the family whatsoever since Lisa went missing, thankfully they're all supporting each other through this horror.

 

[justamommy]

What does the 'mother hen' title mean? Are they describing Debbie as a mother hen? :waitasec:



...and that was the nicest definition I could come up with!

In the article... DB's dad referred to her as a "mother hen" to her brothers after her mom died. I'm not sure about other parts of the country, but in the south that term is used alot. My mom used to say I was a mother hen to my sister. I guess I was a little bossy. lol:seeya:

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Well, right. Like in Neil Diamond's "Cracklin Rosie", cracklin rosie is cheap red wine, but most of the listening audience thinks Rosie is a prostitute.

As clever as that is, I don't really think journalists for a major media outlets intend to fool the readership into believing they're writing one thing but meaning something completely different . ..

No, but like I said, every writer writes with an intent. Even the writer who just lays down the facts writes with intent.

If I had to guess, I'd say the intent of the writer of this article was to humanize Debbie. And there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, it may be a good thing from the persepective of balance.

Others here might guess that the intent of the writer was to shift the balance in Debbies favor.

Either way, as I said earlier, the intent of the writer has less to do with where we end up than how we, as individuals, internalize what the writer tells us.

 

[CarrieBean]

What does the 'mother hen' title mean? Are they describing Debbie as a mother hen? :waitasec:


...and that was the nicest definition I could come up with!

"She was always a “mother hen” to her brothers, he says. After her mother’s death, “she did it even more.”

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/0...lain.html#.TrYDcX3KlkE.facebook#ixzz1cyyZXbVU

The "interfering" part, I've never heard it referred to that way.

 

[Just K]

I have 2 sons , 23 and 26 yrs, just getting their own insurance w/o being under mine was difficult, both have worked hard since their teens. But many road blocks are put up b/c of their age. Getting credit and meeting the requirements to own or rent a house is definitely not easy at that age. Not to mention all the cost that go with it.

Possibly, the Magic Word: "Co-Signer"
That is the easiest way for a young person to get a lease... Well, that and the fact that the home may belong to a friend or extended family member.

Confusion, on WS threads, has erupted over PN's living situation because simple web searches on many of the typical people search sites do show his association with JI and lists one previous address as the JI home on N Lister. The newer address is not listed/showing up...but Independence, MO does show up as a previous residency.

 

[Cazzie]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't have a good feeling about the grandparents searching. Experts advise families to not search. Obviously, to spare them the heartbreak of finding something disturbing, but also, to preserve the integrity of potential important evidence.

Plus, it's just too convenient (to me), that BS wanted this area searched...and lo and behold, something is found. He called attention on camera, didn't just do this behind the scenes. Smells very fishy to me. JMO.

 

[Insomnia Momma]

Can someone please confirm the Xanax and Effexor to me please? I know I've read about the Effexor before but I've missed a few days due to being sick and I have not seen anything except in posts here about the Xanax?!

:blowkiss:

 

[CarrieBean]

Possibly, the Magic Word: "Co-Signer"
That is the easiest way for a young person to get a lease... Well, that and the fact that the home may belong to a friend or extended family member.

Confusion, on WS threads, has erupted over PN's living situation because simple web searches on many of the typical people search sites does show his association with JI and lists one previous address as the JI home on N Lister. The newer , address is not listed showing up...but Independence, MO does show up as a previous residency.

There are plenty of landlords out there willing to give a young person a break.