‘Mother hen’ to media villain: The life of Debbie Bradley - Kansas City Star 11/5/11

[1&2&3]

After reading the article, it sounds to me like Deborah is fortunate to have had the support system she has had during her life. Her MIL sounds like a jewel (nice)!.

Deborah seems like she is a sociopath - she is only concerned about herself, rules are for others and do not apply to her, she is manipulative, and has always conned people into doing things her way.

The one big concern from the article is where she would take Hazel's car and go out after everyone was sleeping. What mother leaves the house without telling an adult to listen for the toddler?!!

 

[1&2&3]

To be quite honest - I think I would search against LE wishes...I think my immediate family would also. I would just want my baby back -!! I really don't think the possibility of destroying evidence would bother me... my child body would be more important to me at the time - than to think if destroying evidence...

Agree whole heartedly! LE has had a month to look and if we, the family, felt they had not looked places that were of concern to us, we would look first, answer questions later! In the beginning, LE does not want the parents out, but
after this much time, as the Mother, nothing would stop me - that is if I was innocent!

 

[Mels3kidz]

I do not consider LE godly as well, but when it comes to MY CHILD, accuse me of whatever, call me what you will...I would tell the truth, cooperate and help LE clear my name as fast as possible so that LE can move on and find my daughter and the real perp. Why is DB stalling LE after all these weeks, does she have something to hide?????? Why not have the boys DNA tested so LE can move forward to finding out what happened to find baby lisa, does she not want answers?????

BBM

But what if the only *help* they wanted from you is for you to confess?

Honestly I'm not sure what I really think....I'm still on the fence but leaning a little more to the they-know-more-than-they-are-telling side. (maybe we need an emoticon for that )

Mel

 

[Insomnia Momma]

After reading the article, it sounds to me like Deborah is fortunate to have had the support system she has had during her life. Her MIL sounds like a jewel (nice)!.

Deborah seems like she is a sociopath - she is only concerned about herself, rules are for others and do not apply to her, she is manipulative, and has always conned people into doing things her way.

The one big concern from the article is where she would take Hazel's car and go out after everyone was sleeping. What mother leaves the house without telling an adult to listen for the toddler?!!

That was exactly how I read it too. She did what she wanted, when she wanted, darn the consequences. Sounds like a pattern, involving "adult time" JMO of course. :innocent:

 

[Dr.Fessel]

BBM

But what if the only *help* they wanted from you is for you to confess?

Honestly I'm not sure what I really think....I'm still on the fence but leaning a little more to the they-know-more-than-they-are-telling side. (maybe we need an emoticon for that )

Mel

Seems like when JI called it quits to the questions there would have been a question asked and not answered. Wonder what that question was?

 

[AngelWings444]

BBM

But what if the only *help* they wanted from you is for you to confess?

Honestly I'm not sure what I really think....I'm still on the fence but leaning a little more to the they-know-more-than-they-are-telling side. (maybe we need an emoticon for that )

Mel

I think LE/FBI would like to clear up some statements by the parents, maybe some evidence they found, maybe some interviews they had with others. They might want to go over some of these things since they haven't been able to interview the parents since Oct 6-8. JMO

These might be good emoticon's :waitasec: :slap: :websleuther: :sigh: :thud:

 

[vlpate]

I see it as a situation where they broke up and everyone moved on. I certainly can't speak to SB's actions, just to say he was in the military during 2 horrible wars, and perhaps with his having PTSD he made the decision to not be in his son's life. Not knowing more than that I can't speak to his or DB's actions. If he agreed to child support and having DB keep receiving benefits, then good on him. Having been separated from him, I don't know why she would've been required to tell him or his step-mom about her pregnancy with Lisa. I know of several friends of mine who were separated but not divorced, who moved on with their lives, and amicably agreed that they're not obligated to share their personal lives with the other.

In this case it doesn't automatically make SB, DB or JI horrible people who are capable of murder.

BEM: I have never once said I thought either of them murdered Lisa....because I don't think either of them did.

The baby is "automatically" SB's baby - whether he agrees amicably or not. Legally, she's his.

 

[mentalsolstice]

I have a question. Is it normally the case that LE will tape these vetting sessions such as Debbie went through? If so, then I would think they would have alot to answer to if the tapes ever got leaked and the public was shown proof that they not only called Debbie "white trash", but also told her that her baby was dead. Imagine, if she is actually innocent.

In my experience, when LE used derogatory terms about my client it was to me, to my face, it was right before the case was presented to the judge. I've also experienced it in the hospital when a LEO was interviewing a rape victim in the ER, and that was so ugly and heart breaking. There's not a lot one can do to prevent it. Unfortunately, it happens.

 

[greenpalm]

What does the 'mother hen' title mean? Are they describing Debbie as a mother hen? :waitasec:



...and that was the nicest definition I could come up with!

No, it's actually a quote from her dad. It's in the article that this thread is about. He says she was a "mother hen" to her brothers after her mom died.

The MK interview came out in bits and pieces. The first bit we heard was DB saying she took anti-anxiety meds. So some of us speculated that it was perhaps xanax or valium. We later learned that what DB took was effexor. To the best of my knowledge, there's never been any msm mention of DB taking anything but effexor.

I looked around for MSM even about the effexor, and couldn't even find that… do you remember where it was mention.

 

[mentalsolstice]

:waitasec: I agree it's interesting to see the different responses the article had elicited in people and for the most part have enjoyed the discussion in this thread but, unless I missed something or it was modsnipped out, I can't find a single post from any poster that claims the article helps to prove or disprove guilt or innocence to them.

For me, the article was informative. If the paper did it's research it cleared up a lot of grey areas. I'm still on the fence tho...

 

[justamommy]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mother+hen
mother hen
n.
A person who fusses over others in an overprotective manner

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mother hen
a person who assumes an overly protective maternal attitude

That is the way that I have always understood it, and I have never heard it said in any kind of derogatory manner.

Thanks!! Was starting to get a complex as my mom referred to me as mother hen over my little sister. lol:seeya:

 

[Lori_TX]

After reading the article, it sounds to me like Deborah is fortunate to have had the support system she has had during her life. Her MIL sounds like a jewel (nice)!.

Deborah seems like she is a sociopath - she is only concerned about herself, rules are for others and do not apply to her, she is manipulative, and has always conned people into doing things her way.

The one big concern from the article is where she would take Hazel's car and go out after everyone was sleeping. What mother leaves the house without telling an adult to listen for the toddler?!!

ITA with you. The article may have been intended to shed a more positive light on DB, but I think it provided an excellent timeline for a very clear pattern of destructive behavior.

Obviously the loss of her mother was extremely traumatic at that young and impressionable age. From there, it seems something switched in her mind, and from that point on, it's a downward spiral. I mean before moving in with JI, she began sneaking out to party - no concern about her small child she was leaving behind without telling anyone AND taking someone else's vehicle without permission to do it.

I do not think its a stretch to think that this type of behavior has continued to progress since then. If you look at it like that, this new situation seems like a logical step in the equation. It makes sense to me - and this is only MHO.

Idk if she's a sociopath, but it would not surprise me if she were. Or maybe the trauma of losing her mother when she was younger created some other type of mental illness - which was only exacerbated by her increasing alcohol consumption, stress of daily life, money issues, etc. I feel that with the pattern of running away or avoiding every situation that was pointed out in the article, it's possible she reached a breaking point in her new life with JI. Perhaps she felt she had nowhere else to run to get away from the stress, but she HAD to create a change in the situation to make it more acceptable for her. Maybe she just couldn't deal with it all.

I am inclined think this is more than being an irresponsible parent who got drunk and rolled over/overdosed by accident/whatever theory for BL's disappearance. I can see that there are possibly some much deeper and complicated issues involved. Issues that could easily explain an intent IF and only if DB is in fact responsible for BL's disappearance.

This is all my own opinion, of course. Sorry to be rambling on like this! I haven't posted on this case until now, but I've followed it from the beginning and kept up with the threads. It all came out at once for me! Thanks for reading!

 

[ThoughtFox]

Yes, I didn't take the title in a negative way at all. And I grew up in the country where people raise chickens.

A hen is a protective mother and would never leave her eggs or chicks unguarded - just try coming close to a free range hen with a hidden nest - she will fly in your face and flog you!

Therefore, I took the title to mean that people (her family at least) once saw DB as overprotective and a good mother before this happened.

So the title is alluding to the fact that public perception of DB has changed as this story has unfolded.

 

[mentalsolstice]

BEM: I have never once said I thought either of them murdered Lisa....because I don't think either of them did.

The baby is "automatically" SB's baby - whether he agrees amicably or not. Legally, she's his.

We apparently agree, until you bring up SB and his putative fatherhood and baby Lisa. As pointed out earlier, SB can/could easily absolve himself of responsibility for baby Lisa. So where is the problem? And is this relevant to the case?

 

[Sparklin]

I think LE/FBI would like to clear up some statements by the parents, maybe some evidence they found, maybe some interviews they had with others. They might want to go over some of these things since they haven't been able to interview the parents since Oct 6-8. JMO

These might be good emoticon's :waitasec: :slap: :websleuther: :sigh: :thud:

LE has said that they do answer ?'s and have been a help, but that they won't sit down individually and answer questions = uncooperative.

 

[gluestk]

BBM: here is one for starters... I haven't enough time righ tnow to search for more...
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irw...1703.story


At a press conference on Thursday evening, KCPD spokesperson Capt. Steve Young says that parents Jeremy Irwin and Debbie Bradley are no longer cooperating with the investigation into their daughter's alleged kidnapping. Capt. Yound did not elaborate, and it remains unclear as to the reason why, or what this means for the direction of the police investigation.

On Thursday night, FOX 4 attempted to contact the family at their Northland home, where an unidentified woman claimed that the family had "a deal" with a national news network and refused to talk to the media

Muchly appreciated Wendy!

 

[gluestk]

ITA with you. The article may have been intended to shed a more positive light on DB, but I think it provided an excellent timeline for a very clear pattern of destructive behavior.

Obviously the loss of her mother was extremely traumatic at that young and impressionable age. From there, it seems something switched in her mind, and from that point on, it's a downward spiral. I mean before moving in with JI, she began sneaking out to party - no concern about her small child she was leaving behind without telling anyone AND taking someone else's vehicle without permission to do it.

I do not think its a stretch to think that this type of behavior has continued to progress since then. If you look at it like that, this new situation seems like a logical step in the equation. It makes sense to me - and this is only MHO.

Idk if she's a sociopath, but it would not surprise me if she were. Or maybe the trauma of losing her mother when she was younger created some other type of mental illness - which was only exacerbated by her increasing alcohol consumption, stress of daily life, money issues, etc. I feel that with the pattern of running away or avoiding every situation that was pointed out in the article, it's possible she reached a breaking point in her new life with JI. Perhaps she felt she had nowhere else to run to get away from the stress, but she HAD to create a change in the situation to make it more acceptable for her. Maybe she just couldn't deal with it all.

I am inclined think this is more than being an irresponsible parent who got drunk and rolled over/overdosed by accident/whatever theory for BL's disappearance. I can see that there are possibly some much deeper and complicated issues involved. Issues that could easily explain an intent IF and only if DB is in fact responsible for BL's disappearance.

This is all my own opinion, of course. Sorry to be rambling on like this! I haven't posted on this case until now, but I've followed it from the beginning and kept up with the threads. It all came out at once for me! Thanks for reading!

but I think it provided an excellent timeline for a very clear pattern of destructive behavior.

Great point. Coursely it depends on what side of the fence one's on. IMO it shows clearly how irresponsible DB was. IMO

 

[AngelWings444]

LE has said that they do answer ?'s and have been a help, but that they won't sit down individually and answer questions = uncooperative.

It's my interpretation from statements released by LE, the parents aren't answering the questions LE would like them to answer. Furthermore, they haven't been "cooperating" for some time (JMO). I believe since JT rolled into town (JMO)? That's just my interpretation, you and others may have yours, and then someday, we may know the truth. :waitasec:

 

[Lori_TX]

Great point. Coursely it depends on what side of the fence one's on. IMO it shows clearly how irresponsible DB was. IMO

Exactly. And I'm definitely not saying her clear pattern of destructive behavior/avoidance has anything at all to do with her baby's disappearance. There are parents all over the place that are irresponsible, destructive, addicts, etc. But, it definitely COULD be a factor at play here.

If you are of the opinion she could have something to do with this, then yes - I believe this article laid out the pattern nicely. If you believe she is innocent in this, then the drinking, etc could be seen as a completely separate and extraneous issue, having nothing at all to do with an abduction. It is still a totally irresponsible decision to drink that much when you're solely responsible for your young kids, especially when one was apparently not feeling well. Time will tell - hopefully.

I'm leaning towards the possibility of DB being involved somehow. I'm not totally convinced of what happened or who all was involved though. If I'm wrong about her, I will be glad. I HOPE she is innocent - for BL's sake, for her other child's sake, for her whole family's sake. I am just an outsider making my assumptions based on perception and the facts at hand. Definitely MOO.

 

[Sparklin]

It's my interpretation from statements released by LE, the parents aren't answering the questions LE would like them to answer. Furthermore, they haven't been "cooperating" for some time (JMO). I believe since JT rolled into town (JMO)? That's just my interpretation, you and others may have yours, and then someday, we may know the truth. :waitasec:

Police spokesman Young responded that the last time the couple consented to an “unrestricted” interview was Oct. 8.

“What we need from them, and what we are not getting, is for them to sit down with our detectives and get answers to the questions we need answered,” Young said.

AND THEN:

The couple also receives five or six calls a day from investigators, said Short, who estimated that Bradley and Irwin each have spent about 40 hours answering police questions since Lisa disappeared.

Young acknowledged that the parents have been helpful.

“They’ve done other things, but when I say we’re not getting full cooperation, I’m saying we’re not getting what we need,” Young said.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/20/3220223/baby-lisas-lawyers-say-police.html#ixzz1czvXBKfB

Sounds to me like LE want them back for individual interviews without legal counsel and since they won't agree to that (and I don't blame them) they are not co-operating.


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