🤬🤬🤬🤬 Walk Toronto

[OrdinaryLife]

I'm sorry it baffles you. I think it's clearly been discussed upthread that the men who are responsible for raping aren't going to be found there.

Now this post totally baffles me. It is not about the rapist and why it's even brought up that they won't be there just has me thinking "??????".

 

[Charlie09]

Oh, now it's about men who rape? Wrong, imo. Perhaps a review of the entire thread would be beneficial?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAcr-S1LSw

look, go to your walk - enjoy it, be empowered - but stop being rude because I don't think it does anything, and I think women should be responsible in their as much as in their power.

 

[sorrell skye]

Some stats on victims of sexual assault:

44% of victims are under the age of 18.
80% are under age 30.

Every 2 minutes, someone in the U.S. is sexually assaulted.
Each year, there are about 213,000 victims of sexual assault.

60% of sexual assaults are never reported to police.
15 of 16 rapists will never spend a day in jail.

Approximately 2/3 of assaults are committed by someone known to the victim.
38% of rapists are a friend or acquaintance.

1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime (14.8% completed rape; 2.8% attempted rape).

17.7 million American women have been victims of attempted or completed rape.

Effects of Rape

Victims of sexual assault are:

3 times more likely to suffer from depression.

6 times more likely to suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder.

13 times more likely to abuse alcohol.

26 times more likely to abuse drugs.

4 times more likely to contemplate suicide.

http://www.rainn.org/statistics

 

[sorrell skye]

Some stats on offenders:

Approximately 2/3 of rapes were committed by someone known to the victim.
73% of sexual assaults were perpetrated by a non-stranger.
38% of rapists are a friend or acquaintance.
28% are an intimate.
7% are a relative.

More than 50% of all rape/sexual assault incidents were reported by victims to have occurred within 1 mile of their home or at their home.

* 4 in 10 take place at the victim's home.
* 2 in 10 take place at the home of a friend, neighbor, or relative.
* 1 in 12 take place in a parking garage.

43% of rapes occur between 6:00pm and midnight.

* 24% occur between midnight and 6:00am.
* The other 33% take place between 6:00am and 6:00pm.

http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-offenders

 

[Donjeta]

look, go to your walk - enjoy it, be empowered - but stop being rude because I don't think it does anything, and I think women should be responsible in their as much as in their power.

So if you agree that the Walk can empower some rape victims, why do you think it doesn't do anything? Isn't it anything for the rape victims to be empowered?

 

[sorrell skye]

Try as I might, I'm unable to find any stats that support the antiquated self-righteous notion that how a woman is attired ("slutty" or otherwise) contributed to her being assaulted.

I applaud the Walk - my city is conducting our own Walk on June 19, and I plan on attending with my friends & a few family members.

ETA: I may even dress like a "" (but I haven't yet figured out what it means to dress like a ""). Does it mean cleavage-baring, leg-baring, make-up???

ETA II: If I show my cleavage, or my legs, or wear make-up, does that mean I'm inviting sexual assault? Does that mean I bear responsibility for my assault if I'm raped?

No.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Try as I might, I'm unable to find any stats that support the antiquated self-righteous notion that how a woman is attired ("slutty" or otherwise) contributed to her being assaulted.

I applaud the Walk - my city is conducting our own Walk on June 19, and I plan on attending with my friends & a few family members.

ETA: I may even dress like a "" (but I haven't yet figured out what it means to dress like a ""). Does it mean cleavage-baring, leg-baring, make-up???

Just walk as *you*. The definition of dressing as a is in the eye of the judgmental ignorant. IMVHO..........

 

[not_my_kids]

Since the technical definition of is a dirty untidy woman...I guess it means don't take a shower, LOL.

ETA: WHich when you really get down to it makes you wonder how being dressed as a , i.e. in a dirty untidy way would make you vulnerable to sexual assault...I would think in that case that the unslutty would be at higher risk.

 

[sorrell skye]

Just walk as *you*. The definition of dressing as a is in the eye of the judgmental ignorant. IMVHO..........

I totally agree. "" is in the eyes of the beholder, and the use of the term to describe a woman's appearance or alleged behavior reveals much more about the one using the term than it does about the one being described as such.

As a human being, I own my body. As a women, I own my sexuality. If I choose to have one sexual partner, multiple sexual partners, or no sexual partners, it is my choice, and not an invitation to be judged by anyone, nor it is an invitation to be raped - regardless of how I may choose to dress.

I strongly disagree with the Toronto police officer who advised: “Women should avoid dressing like in order not to be victimized.”

The belief that "survivors of sexual assault brought it on themselves" is a dangerous myth long overdue for extinction.

 

[sorrell skye]

IMO, the phrase "Personal responsibility" when used in the context of survivors of rape is code for "It's the victim's fault".

I've heard the same outrageous phrase used in reference to victims of domestic violence, i.e. "if she wouldn't have done this or that, he wouldn't have gotten mad & beaten her".

Bogus (and that's the polite version of the word I really want to say).

 

[Charlie09]

IMO, the phrase "Personal responsibility" when used in the context of survivors of rape is code for "It's the victim's fault".

I've heard the same outrageous phrase used in reference to victims of domestic violence, i.e. "if she wouldn't have done this or that, he wouldn't have gotten mad & beaten her".

Bogus (and that's the polite version of the word I really want to say).

There's no code.

You are being deceptive with this post.

 

[Charlie09]

So if you agree that the Walk can empower some rape victims, why do you think it doesn't do anything? Isn't it anything for the rape victims to be empowered?

I didn't say that, I said if you feel it does participate. Not everyone does and shouldn't be put down because they think acting outrageous really does anything for the real issue.


I have more experience with the subject of rape than I'll go into on this forum. I have a personal right to feel that the walk is a mockery of self awareness.

 

[not_my_kids]

I didn't say that, I said if you feel it does participate. Not everyone does and shouldn't be put down because they think acting outrageous really does anything for the real issue.


I have more experience with the subject of rape than I'll go into on this forum. I have a personal right to feel that the walk is a mockery of self awareness.

What is so outrageous about this? Really? The wish to be free from risk or threat of harm regardless of the clothes on their bodies, or the makeup on their faces? Of course, how absurd.

You feel it's a mockery. I believe that promoting "self awareness" and "personal responsibility" as protection against rape is a travesty, and a threat to the safety of all women, men, and children. JMO.

 

[Charlie09]

What is so outrageous about this? Really? The wish to be free from risk or threat of harm regardless of the clothes on their bodies, or the makeup on their faces? Of course, how absurd.

You feel it's a mockery. I believe that promoting "self awareness" and "personal responsibility" as protection against rape is a travesty, and a threat to the safety of all women, men, and children. JMO.

It doesn't protect anyone from anything.

 

[Danaya]

I can't stand the name of that walk, it is degrading to woman but to each their own. I don't really care what people do as long as it doesn't effect me.

I can say this; as a woman who has been raped twice as a young teenager, both instances I was 1) heavily intoxicated 2) went home with a stranger I just met. I think leading a high risk lifestyle will most definately increase your chances of being raped which is why I support woman who choose to protect themselves by respecting themselves. That doesn't mean there is ever an excuse to rape, there isn't and it's never the victim's fault. But as women, there are things we can do to protect ourselves.

I no longer drink or take drugs. I no longer go home with strangers or associate with shady people. I no longer walk alone at night on a dark street. I no longer hitchike with strangers across country. I no longer do many things that increased my chances of being with the wrong person at the wrong time and being raped.

So don't tell me we can't take charge of our lives and protect ourselves from sexual predators. That is absolutely false. Of course someone could storm my home now and rape me, but my chances are lowered due to my choices and decisions. Bottom line.

I don't care what your political preferences are or your outlook on life. Hell, I don't even vote. This is just my life experience and what I've learned from being a rape survivor. NOT a victim.

 

[not_my_kids]

It doesn't protect anyone from anything.

And slutwalk is not meant to be about protection...so it's all good.

 

[believe09]

walk is gaining ground:

http://tinyurl.com/3qa7krt

 

[Charlie09]

And slutwalk is not meant to be about protection...so it's all good.

which brings me back to my first post on the subject.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

I think, imvho, rape is just that. It does not mean any woman has lived a risky lifestyle, was intoxicated, or went home with a stranger. Rape is something done because it could be done. At that moment. Some guy was able to take advantage of ~whatever~ opportunity he could.

Am I a survivour, yes. I wasn't drunk, I very much knew the area and the home in which it happened. I knew the people. It still happened. You can hate the name "SlutWalk" and I admit, I was not a fan. Then I thought about it. So many degrading words describe a woman (only one left lower than , in my opinion and it makes me cringe) and are used even when they have done all the "right" things to be safe. So why not take that ugly word and use it to say, "Define me as you choose to, but that is nowhere close to the *person* I am". Many are so fortunate to be strong to heal after such an trauma. Many, not so much. It's for them we must say, "We've got your back".

imvho

 

[believe09]

I can't stand the name of that walk, it is degrading to woman but to each their own. I don't really care what people do as long as it doesn't effect me.

I can say this; as a woman who has been raped twice as a young teenager, both instances I was 1) heavily intoxicated 2) went home with a stranger I just met. I think leading a high risk lifestyle will most definately increase your chances of being raped which is why I support woman who choose to protect themselves by respecting themselves. That doesn't mean there is ever an excuse to rape, there isn't and it's never the victim's fault. But as women, there are things we can do to protect ourselves.

I no longer drink or take drugs. I no longer go home with strangers or associate with shady people. I no longer walk alone at night on a dark street. I no longer hitchike with strangers across country. I no longer do many things that increased my chances of being with the wrong person at the wrong time and being raped.

So don't tell me we can't take charge of our lives and protect ourselves from sexual predators. That is absolutely false. Of course someone could storm my home now and rape me, but my chances are lowered due to my choices and decisions. Bottom line.

I don't care what your political preferences are or your outlook on life. Hell, I don't even vote. This is just my life experience and what I've learned from being a rape survivor. NOT a victim.

I am sorry for what you went through. I am thrilled to read that you have taken charge of your life.

The message to take away from your post for me, IMO, is that no one deserves to be raped. You and doubtless many others have found a way to take control of what was out of control in your lives. If I am reading your post correctly you believe it contributed to the crimes that were committed.

The crimes were committed by people who took advantage of your situation perhaps. They thought because you were intoxicated or high that you were not entitled to make your own choice. They thought because you were willing to go home with a stranger, it was OK to victimize you.

Respectfully, the issue lies with them.

Kudos for getting rid of your addictions. That can be incredibly difficult to do.


I dont accept that anyone I know who was sexually assaulted brought it on themselves. I dont care what the circumstances were and if they were laying naked on the floor doing body shots.